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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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heist
United States720 Posts
FIRST POST With that statement I wanted to make clear that we should not be focusing on background lurkers but rather players with hopefully strong opinions with either contradictory behavior or clear signs of suspicion for a more informative lynch. At the time there was no one really on my radar except radfield but I was not entirely convinced. Later I tried to make my issue with Sandroba and nisani clear. I can see the blue-fishing and I've got nothing say except that was not my intention and I was joking about the spy picture. SECOND/THIRD POST I'm restating my lack of conviction about radfield but at that time IMO no else had done anything to even warrant much suspicion other than radfield. Radfield was the most suspicious but not enough for me to commit to a lynch. My issue was not radfield vs lurker, bur rather radfield vs. kurumi. I was confronting sandroba on how kurumi could possibly be more scummy than radfield at that point in the game. The only reason why I list radfield's suspiciousness was to compare it to Kurumi's which was pretty nonexistent. At this point Sandroba is my main suspicion, not radfield. FOURTH/FIFTH POST I wanted to emphasize that this was in fact only one post. I felt there were too many weak claims flying around, and I wanted to caution people against taking one post into too much scrutiny. I meant for this to only be my initial impression of someone not acting pro-town. The lurker issue I would have not included but his absolute statement of "lurkers always end up being town" really bothered me even though we are both against lurker lynches. You talk about joining another bandwagon but I never supported the radfield's lynch. I never committed to his lynch based on so little, but nisani has no problem lynching. My initial impression of him was not good, but his subsequent posts solidified him as the scummiest player in my eyes. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
Ending terminating process... ##Unvote Nisani201 Rebooting System... System Restoration Initiated.. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
Bank News Beginnings of Chezinu Bank: The President of Chezinu Banking states that the membership of the bank has been growing since the first member, Radfield, joined. He says there will soon be membership cards and a bank logo. The bank President exclaims, "Our employees are hard at work to depict our high standing values into a single image for all to look upon!" We hope that citizens of the town will see our logo with a smile knowing that we truly care for their well being. GM Bailout: Following the orders of the empress, Chezinu Banking bails out the GM business with 50,000 Cheznos. Since then, GM has become a loyal member of the Chezinu Bank. GM has since began a quest in search for the empress in order to bring thanks. Bank Security System Malfunctions: There seem to be an error in the Chezinu Bank security system. A threat detector mistakenly went off on Nisani201 earlier during the day. The President of Chezinu Bank, apologizes for the glitch and has made adjustment to the security system. Nisani201 has also been offer compensation for the disaster. Employment Rate: With the initiation of Chezinu Bank, 18% of the town now has a job working for the bank. This drastic increase should lead to an economic boom -- the President of Chezinu Banking suspects. The President makes clear that there are still openings within the bank that can be filled. | ||
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heist
United States720 Posts
On July 14 2011 05:27 GMarshal wrote: Flying Under The Radar 101: heist ![[image loading]](http://s3.hubimg.com/u/104414_f520.jpg) Heist, the hidden poster, the guy who's name you hear and you ask, "Is he even playing in this game?" Heist, the stealthy scum who intends to make it through the game by posting generic, content-less posts. You don't have to take my word for it, just look at his first post Part 1: "we should be lynching scummy players", well no freaking duh, that is the point of the game. But what scummy player does he point out? "Not necessarily rad". This comment sort of acknowledges that Rad is kind of suspicious, but in reality it doesn't commit to it. It also offers no idea of who is suspicious Part 2: Let me pad my post with nonesense and sort of blue-fish. We've accused Rad of blue fishing, yet look at this really subtle attempt at figuring out what Kurumi is. Look at this post. Now look at this post He's willing to give Rad "the benefit of the doubt" yet he thinks he is scummier than a random lurker. Heist even points out all these super scummy actions "rolefishing, dropping the trap, the BP contradiction" . yet despite beleiving all the scummy actions and providing no reason why they might NOT be scum oriented he still "gives him the benefit of the doubt". What a genuine lack of commitment, he thinks rad is suspicious but isn't willing to commit to it seriously. This is the sign of a faltering scum, one who either doesn't want to risk busing a buddy or one who wants to avoid having green blood on their hands. Having null read is acceptable, what is *not* acceptable is listing why this guy is more likely to be scum than a lurker (a soft red read) and then just handwaving it away. I once again invite us to compare two separate posts Heist claims to be against the lurker lynch, preferring to lynch "someone suspicious" yet when someone tries to do EXACTLY THAT, they are "Eager to lynch someone with little evidence" and "not very pro-town at all". To me this is 1.) a serious contradiction in thoughts and attitude 2.) throwing his support lightly behind another bandwagon. In particular note words and phrases like "seems" "ready to eat my own words" "I'm just pointing out". These all suggest someone who wants to start and support a wagon without being held responsible for it later, when green blood is dripping from the gallows. then there is this little jem. Can we say "spreading doubt" all together now? Without a real FoS or anything near that he tries to get the ball rolling, cast a little suspicion and doubt. Now the question *is* legitimate, but the way its asked suggests a level of attempted detachment. It wouldn't be nearly as suspicious if it were more pointed "what has GMarshal done anyway, he only has like 3 posts" would have been fine. The way he asks it seeks to throw doubt while avoiding a heads up confrontation. Finally he has a post where he says he is "most suspicious of sandroba" but that he won't vote for him or make a case against him because "he agrees about nisani201". Heads up, if you think someone is scum, then following their lead is usually a short road to death and the slaughter of the town. What townie is going to say "yep I'm 100% sure GM is mafia, but hey he said to lynch heist, and the case is moderately convincing, so I'mma going to go with heist, k?" That is a behavioral contradiction that worries me more than anything else. It indicates un-town like disregard for who the lynch target is, and unwillingness to push your lead suspect. I'm really, really suspicious of heist, and I am convinced he is probably scum. Now heist, care to explain your actions and your contradictions? Or would you like a fine noose around your neck? So addressing GM's post. Going in the same order, I'll explain my posts that are used as examples. FIRST POST With that statement I wanted to make clear that we should not be focusing on background lurkers but rather players with hopefully strong opinions with either contradictory behavior or clear signs of suspicion for a more informative lynch. At the time there was no one really on my radar except radfield but I was not entirely convinced. Later I tried to make my issue with Sandroba and nisani clear. I can see the blue-fishing and I've got nothing say except that was not my intention and I was joking about the spy picture. SECOND/THIRD POST I'm restating my lack of conviction about radfield but at that time IMO no else had done anything to even warrant much suspicion other than radfield. Radfield was the most suspicious but not enough for me to commit to a lynch. My issue was not radfield vs lurker, bur rather radfield vs. kurumi. I was confronting sandroba on how kurumi could possibly be more scummy than radfield at that point in the game. The only reason why I list radfield's suspiciousness was to compare it to Kurumi's which was pretty nonexistent. At this point Sandroba is my main suspicion, not radfield. FOURTH/FIFTH POST I wanted to emphasize that this was in fact only one post. I felt there were too many weak claims flying around, and I wanted to caution people against taking one post into too much scrutiny. I meant for this to only be my initial impression of someone not acting pro-town. The lurker issue I would have not included but his absolute statement of "lurkers always end up being town" really bothered me even though we are both against lurker lynches. You talk about joining another bandwagon but I never supported the radfield's lynch. I never committed to his lynch based on so little, but nisani has no problem lynching. My initial impression of him was not good, but his subsequent posts solidified him as the scummiest player in my eyes. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I asked for 1 cycle, and you guys gave me 18 hours. Seriously, if you took a poll at the beginning of the game of the worst possible town plays, lynching Radfield Day 1 is pretty near the top of the list. I have some faults, and am not good at finding scum day 1, but I absolutely excel day 2 and beyond. Hence why I generally die night 1 or night 2(or night 0), and why I asked for 1 cylce of leeway. Nisani is the lynch today, not me. However, both chaos and jackal look scummy, but I'll admit i'm biased since they are voting for me. Frankly, the fact that everyone is coming down either for or against me makes it far more difficult to parse who's town and who's not. Chez, are you trying to get me lynched by unvoting Nisani? GMarshal, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with Heist. This is the most BS post in this whole thread: On July 14 2011 01:47 Jackal58 wrote: I just replied to a PM that Radfield sent me. I'm sure he didn't like my answer to much. He asked for my opinions and I told him I was leaning towards him or Nisani for my vote today. I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. Thank you chaos. I am having a very busy day at work today and then I have bowling tonight so I will not be on much until late this evening. And by then I'll be drunk. My apologies. ##VOTE: Radfield I would gladly move a lynch onto Jackal. This post, combined with the fact that Palmar offered him money to be active during day 1 that he turned down, make him very scummy. He has also done very little posting, and seemingly very little PMing. He jumped on my bandwagon with only the slightest push, and I guarantee that the mafia are licking their lips in anticipation of lynching me Day 1. The PM that Jackal sent me: I'm at work. And occasionally they actually expect me to do something. syllogism hasn't posted enough of anything for me to get any real feeling from. nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote. If he doesn't you most likely will. I don't agree with all of Kurumi's analysis of you but some of it makes sense. I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious. I'm going to ask him what his logic is behind that. Sandroba I always think is scum and he always flips town on me. So I'm leaving him alone for right now. I haven't decided on Original Name yet. I think Palmar has called half the people in the game scummy so far. I have been in contact via PM with chaos13, Palmar, GMarshall and yourself. Of them I believe chaos and Palmar are most likely town. GMarshal is a null atm and I'm leaning towards red for you. Original Message From Radfield: You've been rather absent in the thread. What are your reads on OriginalName, Sandroba and nisani? Also, what do you think of syllogism? Who should our Day 1 lynch be? I'm also wondering if you've been in PM contact with any other players. Palmar and GM, have you guys actually been much in contact with Jackal. Did you initiate contact or did he? When I've been scum in PM games I tend to avoid PMs, and I think that is the general trend. ##Vote: Nisani I don't have a huge scum read on nisani, but he is a far better day 1 lynch than myself. Sandro, Palmar, Chez, ON, Gmarshal, heist and syllo: I would like to move this lynch onto Jackal. Thoughts? Is anyone willing to follow? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
And Chezinu, bandwagoning is bad. Don't do it. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
On July 14 2011 09:09 chaos13 wrote: Jackal is an interesting candidate. He hasn't given me a strong read either way, and he has a tendency to be somewhat absent and unopinionated on Day 1. I wouldn't want to lynch him today based only on the evidence you put forth. What I see in your analysis is enough cause to be watching him closely, but not near enough to be comfortable lynching him over Radfield. And Chezinu, bandwagoning is bad. Don't do it. Why do you do bad things? | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
nisani didn't start playing in CCM until the pressure was on him hard. He started out looking scummy in that game as well. I think he's worth another day to look at. And ya I mean his posts so far have looked scummy. If he doesn't improve in the next few hours he will most likely get my vote. "I think he's worth another day to look at" turns into: "If he doesn't improve he will likely get my vote" wait, what? So is he worth another day or was he likely to get your vote? And yes, I realize you are voting for me, but that doesn't change the blatant contradiction inherent in your PM. Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off: His post: I had not even considered the SK angle but that fits better into his reasons for posting as he has than him being scum does. His PM to me: I found Kurmi's part about the SK buying votes to be curious. Am I crazy here, or is Jackal the most scummy player in this thread? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
On July 14 2011 09:12 Radfield wrote: Shit, Jackal contradicted himself straight up in his PM to me. "I think he's worth another day to look at" turns into: "If he doesn't improve he will likely get my vote" wait, what? So is he worth another day or was he likely to get your vote? And yes, I realize you are voting for me, but that doesn't change the blatant contradiction inherent in your PM. Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off: His post: His PM to me: Am I crazy here, or is Jackal the most scummy player in this thread? If you find yourself crazy in the game of mafia and it seems everyone is against you.. well, then that means your probably right. Look at GM, he is probably right. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On July 14 2011 09:12 Radfield wrote: Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off: His post: His PM to me: I had to go check Kurumi's post for this. All kurumi said about that was that he was fishing for the SK by offering to buy votes, and that the SK would likely be the first person to sell their vote. When he says he hadn't considered the SK angle, that means he hadn't considered the possibility of Radfield being the SK. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
He asks for a bulletproof vest - SK wanting protection from mafia hits? Yes. He asks for votes - SK wanting swing-vote ability, to control the lynch? Yes. He can even use this to pursue a strong mafia suspect and gain major town cred. He asks for RPG's - SK wanting to increase their killing ability? Yes. He's third party, he's not worried about hitting someone on his own team. If he kills mafia, he's eliminated a threat to himself, if he kills town, hopefully he got a dangerous blue role. The more kills, the faster he's won the game. You must think I'm the worst player to ever play mafia  I've been the serial killer before too once. PYP1. I nailed a scum on both Day 2 and Day 3, and ended up getting Day Vigged by scum. I was the most pro-town player in the thread by a long shot, and basically had everyone fooled. I know how to play this game.Reasons for my first post: I joined this game thinking it was a funsy themed mini-game which I could put my minimal amount of free time into, and I posted that first post accordingly. Look at my sign-up posts: On July 11 2011 00:22 Radfield wrote: I'll bite as well. Someone make me a sweet contract: I'll give you all my votes starting on Day 3 for all your cash now  /in On July 11 2011 00:23 Radfield wrote: Also, I plan on playing this game without actually scum hunting or rereading the thread ...and compare that to these, my first two posts of the game: On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote: Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest? I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested. But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPG It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun On July 12 2011 19:33 Radfield wrote: Fear not, I've got that covered. I'm going to make public whomever sells me the BP vest. That way if I die(if the vest is bombed, or a fake), you can lynch the ass who sold me the vest. More importantly, wheres my RPG? Notice the theme? Unfortunately, this has turned into far more of a standard mini mafia, and far less of a funsy theme game, and my first post(made in a spirit of fun) has dogged me all cycle. Lynching me today is a terrible play. I have huge potential to be an asset to town. If I don't contribute, then lynch or vig me, but at least give me a chance. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Rad, a new case with 2 hours left in the day? -__- I have to go now, I'll try to be back before the lynch, but I Might not make it... | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
Kurumi chaos13 Jackal58 Nisani201 OriginalName Palmar Nisani201 heist syllogism Sandroba Radfield OriginalName Heist GMarshal Jackal58 Chezinu Voting closes at 11:00 KST | ||
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