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On June 10 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Dearest GravityMan,
I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible.
So what are your scum-hunting credentials?
Furthermore, what are your reads thusfar?
Lastly, what are your reasons for not wanting me to be elected mayor? The baseless and unjustified criticism you directed my way in your intro post doesn't cut it.
Hello Hapahauli.
It is nice to meet you.
The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum.
Now as for my 'credentials:'
You know very well as a complex robot designed only to cause death and destruction by controlling the flows of gravity previous to this game, I have no previous credentials. Your desire to base the mayoral candidacy entirely on meta reads of people is flawed by design because this early into a game it is very easy to act in accordance with one's previous towny-looking games. It makes more sense, as you yourself stated, to base said candidacy on actions rather than words.
My reads - I have a couple of townreads I would prefer not to divulge at the present time as it is not advantageous to our situation at the current time. As far as scumreads go, again there is not a great deal to go on right now as the discussion has been quite uninspired thus far. We still have a full Earth's revolution to go, however, and there is much that can be learned in such a short period of time.
I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own.
Now if I may ask you some questions:
Why change your mind from the man ShiaoPi? You said he is a good scumhunter in his own right, did you not? What are you basing this on? Do you feel yourself to be a better player than him?
What do you think of this jampidampi thus far?
What do you make of the inactivity of the one knows as DarthPunk, a player who is generally seen to be fairly active?
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I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name...
Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming
I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it.
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On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it.
What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me?
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On June 10 2013 10:40 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Dearest GravityMan,
I have no interest in seeing people run mayoral campaigns over empty political promises. My only desire is to see the best scumhunter in the game elected mayor so he/she may have the most influence over the game as possible.
So what are your scum-hunting credentials?
Furthermore, what are your reads thusfar?
Lastly, what are your reasons for not wanting me to be elected mayor? The baseless and unjustified criticism you directed my way in your intro post doesn't cut it. Hello Hapahauli. It is nice to meet you. The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum.
So what reasons do you have to doubt my candidacy?
Have you played any games with me in previous non-robotic lives? If so, it should be pretty obvious that I'm town. What do you make of my meta?
Now as for my 'credentials:'
You know very well as a complex robot designed only to cause death and destruction by controlling the flows of gravity previous to this game, I have no previous credentials. Your desire to base the mayoral candidacy entirely on meta reads of people is flawed by design because this early into a game it is very easy to act in accordance with one's previous towny-looking games. It makes more sense, as you yourself stated, to base said candidacy on actions rather than words.
I agree that a candidacy should be based on actions rather than words. As such, a candidacy should be based on one's contributions to the town. If someone acts, takes charge of the town, and proves him/her-self as town through behavior, that person should be mayor. However you seem to be basing your own on the very "words" you vilify.
My reads - I have a couple of townreads I would prefer not to divulge at the present time as it is not advantageous to our situation at the current time. As far as scumreads go, again there is not a great deal to go on right now as the discussion has been quite uninspired thus far. We still have a full Earth's revolution to go, however, and there is much that can be learned in such a short period of time.
For example a complete refusal to provide anything to the discussion is "words words words." Fancy robotic poses and gravity-wells are fun, but they do nothing for the town. They do nothing to make me trust you, nor do they do anything to demonstrate your capacity as a scum-hunter.
I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own.
This reads to me like
Now if I may ask you some questions:
1)Why change your mind from the man ShiaoPi? You said he is a good scumhunter in his own right, did you not? What are you basing this on? Do you feel yourself to be a better player than him?
2)What do you think of this jampidampi thus far?
3)What do you make of the inactivity of the one knows as DarthPunk, a player who is generally seen to be fairly active?
1) I changed my mind because I believe that I'm a better mayoral candidate. I like Shiao, I think he's town, and I think he's a very capable player. However I have a great town track-record of my own, and I firmly believe that both my well-established history of carrying towns in mini-games, as well as my history of handling blue-roles very well makes me the best candidate for the job.
2) I've actually since changed my mind on him. He's my top scum-read right now, but I had planned on withholding this until he re-entered thread. This is the post I had written:
+ Show Spoiler +1) He has a lack of natural suspicion. Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site. I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. 2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote:
A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign.
@Hapa
Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things.
3) DarthPunk explicitly mentioned that he was busy if the game started during the weekend. Furthermore, he's active as scum AND town (infact he's one of the most active scum-players on TL), so his lurking is completely non-alignment indicative.
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EBWOP
This reads to me like
Didn't finish this. Your statement here...
I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own.
Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot.
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On June 10 2013 10:47 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it. What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me?
I am not sure what you are asking perhaps because you are not sure what I said. so...
(outside of the newbies games)
In my experience people typically turn up in threads late, either because of actually true IRL issues. or because they estimate themselves to be a good enough player, that they can turn up late, and either through reputation, but in your case as you are a smurf, through their actions in the thread establish their innocence enough to live through the first lynch.
This has side effect benefit in say BHs case of increasing the chances he will live through the night.
Turning up late, if you are scum, like lurking is a strategy that might be used to avoid giving input until you see the lay of the land (who has time to play how well this game) and work out how to position your scum strategy in the game.
As it can benefit scum, it is a thing they would want to do, however as it is thing they would want to do people not giving input (by lurking, turning up late) looks scummy. Because it looks scummy, scum tend not to do it...etc unto infinite recursion, hence what i label as WIFOM. While it is WIFOM the conditional probabilities are not entirely null.
it thus changes my expectations of you.
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@ GravityMan
I'm realizing I'm starting to write wall of texts and might not be clear.
So just to be clear, I will not under any circumstances support your candidacy until...
1) You tell me a compelling reason why I am not to be trusted in this game, and...
2) Your candidacy ceases to be words and starts to be action (i.e. scumhunting)
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very Late (unimportant?) EBWOP
On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I usersure hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it.
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Blazinghand
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trying to sell a a mayoral candidacy without a history of scumhunting is like trying to sell a car without an engine
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
trying to sell a a mayoral candidacy without a history of scumhunting is like trying to sell a car without an engine
which is to say: it's going no-where, and nobody's buying it
BAZINGA
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On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP Didn't finish this. Your statement here... Show nested quote +I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot.
You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress.
To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks.
Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet.
I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread.
Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin:
VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why?
On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game.
You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please?
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On June 10 2013 11:20 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 10:47 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:I do have to stop making my first reads based on the users name... Trouble is I keep being right... + Show Spoiler +Name+long long silence => lame joke was incoming I user hope gravity man appreciates the gravity of choosing to be the most fashionably late entrant and can now live up to it. What exactly does my entrance to the thread have to do with living up to what people may or may not expect of me? I am not sure what you are asking perhaps because you are not sure what I said. so... (outside of the newbies games) In my experience people typically turn up in threads late, either because of actually true IRL issues. or because they estimate themselves to be a good enough player, that they can turn up late, and either through reputation, but in your case as you are a smurf, through their actions in the thread establish their innocence enough to live through the first lynch. This has side effect benefit in say BHs case of increasing the chances he will live through the night. Turning up late, if you are scum, like lurking is a strategy that might be used to avoid giving input until you see the lay of the land (who has time to play how well this game) and work out how to position your scum strategy in the game. As it can benefit scum, it is a thing they would want to do, however as it is thing they would want to do people not giving input (by lurking, turning up late) looks scummy. Because it looks scummy, scum tend not to do it...etc unto infinite recursion, hence what i label as WIFOM. While it is WIFOM the conditional probabilities are not entirely null. it thus changes my expectations of you.
Your explanation is somewhat sufficient, thank you for the clarification. What is not clear to me however, is your actual read of me. Do you regard me as scum or town currently, based on what little you know of me and what I have posted in this thread?
I assume you would regard me differently if I were another person, so let me also ask you: if I were a well-known player who is known for strong scumhunting skills how would you regard me given my posting being exactly the same?
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On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please?
there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more.
also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest.
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On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest.
So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game?
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On June 10 2013 11:40 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game?
Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it
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On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:40 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it
To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win.
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On June 10 2013 11:55 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:40 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win.
Nope not really, I am better at scum than town. I'm not trying to hide anything, it's just how I play
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@ Gravity Man
I look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts.
However, I do have one more bone to pick with you:
Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title.
It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised.
The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum.
You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town.
What is your read on me?
What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me?
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On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote:@ Gravity ManI look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: Show nested quote +Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title.
It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. Show nested quote + The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me?
On June 10 2013 12:10 Hapahauli wrote:@ Gravity ManI look forward to seeing your scum-hunting efforts. However, I do have one more bone to pick with you: Show nested quote +Because I simply cannot trust a man who makes an obvious grab for power after pushing and supporting a townread of his so early and for so long. This townread who, himself, has done absolutely nothing to deserve the honor and responsibility that comes with the mayoral title.
It appears as though a farce, a show of confidence simply to establish his towniness in the thread so that eventually he may gain the trust of others and rob his townread of the title he so promised. Show nested quote + The problem with electing the best scumhunter in the game as mayor, you see, is the fact that said scumhunter may themselves be scum. You have already made two attempts to insinuate suspicion on me with no justifications. Mayoral campaign or not, throwing unjustified shit at another player is unacceptable and anti-town. What is your read on me? What are your specific reasons to not support my candidacy and/or distrust me?
Hapahauli your explanation as to why you switched to supporting this ShiaoPi was sufficient for me to understand your mindset. My second comment was merely a generalization, though I must admit if you in fact view yourself as the best hunter of scum in this game then I can see why you would see it as self-targeting.
My read of you as of our current discussion is different from what it would have been before our discussion; I no longer have any direct reason to suspect you. What I once saw as a blatant power grab I now see as a simple re-estimation of abilities. As such I have a null read of you leaning towards town. Your current confidence level gives me hope although since you base a great deal of your platform on your ability to catch scum, I would expect for you to be able to follow up on this, much as you expect from me. I will not be removing my vote from myself as I stated earlier.
For now, let us be content to hunt scum as allies. Whether we are, in fact, remains to be seen of course.
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On June 10 2013 12:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:55 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:40 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest. So you feel that attracting seemingly negative attention to yourself you are then doing the town a service by distracting them from more appropriatel targets at hand (assuming you are town)? Why do you feel the need to survive well into the game? Do you join games with the intent of not being able to play it? Obviously to enjoy the game. Bit of a weird question. If you got N1'ed every game it wouldn't be very fun would it To be sure. But also to be sure is that someone inevitably must die on the first night. Do you envision yourself a strong mafia player in general, one that the scum are likely to target on the first night if you play to your full capacity? Forgive me if I am being presumptuous but I find it disconcerting that one would purposefully handicap their own strong play and purposefully not help the town so that they may survive to a point in the game where it may become more difficult to win. Nope not really, I am better at scum than town. I'm not trying to hide anything, it's just how I play
If it is just the way you play, I am unsure as to why you would feel that scum are likely to kill you on the first night. Thank you for answering my queries, however. I have one final question for you.
You vote for this Hapahauli as it seems to be the direction the majority of active town are heading at the moment. I take it this means you are finished trying to create conversation by going against the general sentiment?
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