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On June 10 2013 13:37 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 13:28 Hapahauli wrote:
@ jampi
What are your thoughts on our resident japanese video game character (Gravity Man)? GravityMan seems to little a few too many words. Dunno if that is somehow related to him trying roleplay or him trying to appear as contributin more. Do smurfs usually roleplay?
My universal translator must be malfunctioning as I cannot understand exactly what it is you have said here.
On June 10 2013 13:59 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:08 Hapahauli wrote:
1) He has a lack of natural suspicion.
Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site.
I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. Look at ShiaoPis posts at that point. There isn't really anything alignment indicative. In this light it would sense for me to have a null read on him right? Then someone comes and tells me with high confidence that he is town without reasoning. I then ask for his reasoning to validate it. You've somehow managed to assume I suspected ShiaoPi. It is more like there weren't any good reasons to think he is town, hence your townread on him looked really odd. In the 7-minute window, I did not stop to think about you or your alignment since that was not what I was trying to figure out at that time. Show nested quote +2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote:
A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign.
@Hapa
Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things. The first part of my post is answearing to Sylencia, and is in no way related to you. I also don't know how you have gathered that I have a town read on you? Subconsious trust =/= trust.
This second post interests me as it appears to be the second time of note that this Hapahauli appears to be misrepresenting the tone of one's posts. jampidampi, if you are indeed validating here that you in no way thought that this ShiaoPi was scummy with your earlier posting, do you think it is scummy that this Hapahauli would try to paint you as such? I must admit my thinking has been similar to his.
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On June 10 2013 02:53 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Sylencia and Stutters
Since you're both hesitant about Shaio's candidacy, some questions:
1) What qualities would you consider "ideal" mayoral qualities?
2) If you were to pick anyone in this town to run (regardless of if they want to run or not), who would you vote based on the thread so far?
1) Someone who has decent reasoning. The primary area where this should be shown is the reasoning in why they should be leader. Shiao's reasoning is not a reason to be mayor ("I know I'm town and I want double vote, so I want mayor"), and that's why I don't really fancy the idea of voting him for mayor.
2) I would've said Oats - he's brought up similar issues with Vayne that you did, but he explained it in a more reasonable manner and came off as being a lot less hostile than how you handled it.
Two "serious" mayor candidates have come out since that post though - Hapa's one is the kind of reasoning I was looking for, and Gravity's counter-candidate speech is interesting but I can't take it that seriously -_-;;
On June 10 2013 11:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 11:32 GravityMan wrote:On June 10 2013 11:10 Hapahauli wrote:EBWOP This reads to me like Didn't finish this. Your statement here... I don't want you to be elected mayor for the reasons stated in my original post as well as those above. I simply cannot base the candidacy on reads of past games. There has not been enough activity offered by anyone in the thread thus far to feel confident in anyone's scum-hunting ability but my own. Reads to me like a huge cop-out. Your entire candidacy so far has been based on a) words and b) because you claim you're town and c) you're a japanese robot. You are entirely correct in your assessment of myself in that I have not provided sufficient means to make you or the rest of town trust me through my actions. Do remember, however, that once again the day is but half over and I have only posted a handful of times. I hope to make it fairly obvious as both time and space progress. To answer one of your queries before I progress to the answers you provided; I prefer not to bases my analyses and reads on the previous actions of other players. It is an unnecessary strain on my capacitors and have minimal space left in my memory banks. Now you have actually gone some way in determining your capacity to me as a potential mayoral candidate; certainly much more than this ShiaoPi. I still hesitate to remove my vite from myself but know that I am not yet locked in, and should it be made clear to me that someone's abilities are superior to my own then I will gladly vote accordingly. Your townread of this jampidampi was confusing me I must admit, because there was very little I could glean from his filter that seemed to be specifically aligned towards the town. Of course the time-post scenario you have outlined is what stood out to me the most and I didn't understand why you were so quick to acknowledge his defense. Your second point regarding his questioning appears valid, yet again his activity level leaves it difficult to reach a strong conclusion. I would agree with you in that this jampidampi would be my strongest read into the scumplayers for today thus far, and yet this is relatively speaking (as I must), so I cannot give it a great deal of weight yet. I have much to expect from this DarthPunk so I eagerly await his arrival to the thread. Now as you have correctly mentioned, I have not had the chance to do a great deal of hunting myself, thus I begin: VayneAuthority: you mention early on in the game you do not trust this AxleGreaser. May I inquire as to why? On June 10 2013 06:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
remember that this is semi-closed setup so we dont even know if theres a medic or anything. Getting voted as mayor is pretty much a death sentence and I think BH sees it the same way I do. Don't want a fucking target on my back to start the game. You also mention that you do not want a target on your back, yet the way you currently post you clearly do not mind attracting attention to yourself, not unlike the attraction of two gravitational bodies. This appears contradictory. Can you comment please? there's no contradiction here. Posting like this makes scum keep me alive so I can continue playing the game, while being mayor would make them want to kill me more. also not that I think axlegreaser is scum, I meant more that I do not trust him to be mayor as I can't understand half his posts so it wouldn't be in my best interest.
If you're posting with survival in mind, it's a pretty bad mindset to be in - especially so early on. Since the way you're explaining it makes it sound like you're acting slightly scummy just to be off the NK radar. You and GravityMan discuss this after this post so I won't bother with it further but pretty sure it's better you get killed Night 1 and provide a lot of information town can use rather than nothing at all and getting endgamed (I'm guilty of this quite often.. though I just get lynched half way anyways)
On June 10 2013 12:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though
I don't even understand what this post means? What could you possibly be hiding that could make things EASIER for scum?
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Blazinghand
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I consider myself and Hapa to be the two vets here. We both play a strong town game and use our votes in a valuable way. Although Hapa differs from me in his style (I find myself typically playing a more strident game), he nonetheless uses his vote to great effect. I'm reasonably certain Hapa is town from his inquisitive posting, and his comment on me being 3p, in retrospect, doesn't seem like the kind of comment scum would make.
Now that I think about it, I'm beginning to think it's actually a towntell. I'm fairly certain a scum player who sees Blazinghand playing in a different way will push him in a sidelong way but not say he's 3p. Hapa saw me playing in a different way, but Hapa knows how I play as scum, and this isn't it. It seems a reasonable though process to say "BH is acting different, but not like the scum BH I know. Is he 3p?", and although I gave him some crap for it, it's not a good move for him to make as scum. Obviously, his meta speculation is unfounded, since my 3p game (so far, at least) has been characterized by strident aggressive play.
Hapa is certainly smart and experienced enough to fool me if he's scum, but this kind of excited utterance reveals to me that he actually has a town mindset. He's a smart guy and is one of the few people truly capable of using the mayor position properly.
##mayorify: hapahauli
As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power.
And of course I'm the best, most experienced, and most intelligent player here, so I'd naturally consider myself for the job. It's just not in the cards for me this game, though. Hapa's willing to do it, and he's town, so the man's got my vote.
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Blazinghand
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Like I really 100% understand Hapa's thought process as an open townie trying to figure out what's going on with Blazinghand. I see why he thought what he thought-- it makes perfect sense to me. If he were scum, he'd be infinitely more cautious about pushing a guy like me, and very cautious about pushing me as 3p. It just really doesn't make sense for him to have said what he said as scum, and like I can totally see Hapa just considering me as a potential 3p from a natural thought process.
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Why is BH being SO chill???
Like no ego anywhere to be seen, no flame wars.
And of course I'm the best, most experienced, and most intelligent player here,
Found the ego. Still not as much as before.
Im not used to this. Go back to that BH.
Whats the point of you praising VA BH?
Whos scum BH?
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Blazinghand
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why.
Why am I always the one to get unexplained votes. Every game man.
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seriously BH
As for VA, I have been nothing but impressed by his play that I've seen. He's been a capable scumhunter, and he utterly hoodwinked me in Les Mafia. Whereas most of the player list is cluttered with jubjubs and followers (if you're reading this, I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about the other guys), VA is smart. He's not a veteran in terms of games played but for his excellent play in my interactions with him I consider him a vet. That being said, the guy DID utterly hoodwink me, which means the fact that I have a townread on him is meaningless. I can't catch him when he's scum-- or at least, not yet. Anyone that good I'd keep an eye on-- but if he's town, he can use the power wisely. Given my strong townread on hapa though I see no reason to entrust VA with the power.
WTF is this other than,
I have a townread on VA but I cant read him so dont consider him town.
?????
Why?
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Blazinghand
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just taking out the trash
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Blazinghand
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Oats if you don't know why I wrote about VA and Hapa, then you clearly haven't been reading the thread.
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Now that I think about it, I'm beginning to think it's actually a towntell. I'm fairly certain a scum player who sees Blazinghand playing in a different way will push him in a sidelong way but not say he's 3p. Hapa saw me playing in a different way, but Hapa knows how I play as scum, and this isn't it. It seems a reasonable though process to say "BH is acting different, but not like the scum BH I know. Is he 3p?", and although I gave him some crap for it, it's not a good move for him to make as scum. Obviously, his meta speculation is unfounded, since my 3p game (so far, at least) has been characterized by strident aggressive play.
Absolutely not true. I dont see how Hapa being scum, sees that you arent playing like scum, but not like town couldnt come up with the 3P conclusion.
Who the fuck cares that you arent voting for VA?
Like why waste your vote on someone obviously not going to be elected?
Why post that bunch of nonsense that says that you think VA is town but not town cause you cant read VA.
Why am I scum, why are you playing like shit/scum?
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Blazinghand
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Oats how mad are you that I caught you with like zero effort. HOW MAD, TELL ME
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Blazinghand
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oh shit, i forgot, oats is actually this bad lol. just reading some of his games.
##unvote
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Blazinghand
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yeah no oats being terrible isn't alignment-indicative (see LXI D1)
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On June 10 2013 16:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Oats how mad are you that I caught you with like zero effort. HOW MAD, TELL ME
so fucking mad.
Like about melting ice level of mad.
BH can you play the fucking game.
And answer these questions.
Why did you feel the need to post a 'town but not town' read on VA.
Why are you not hunting scum.
Hapa posting that he thought you were 3P, the basis for your town read, doesnt actually mean that he is town. With this in mind, is Hapa still town? Do you want him still to be your MAYOR?
Doesnt matter actually. BH totes scum.
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Blazinghand
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Ugh well I guess i ought to respond to your inane and dunderheaded inquiries then so we're not wasting one of our votes.
Someone asked me why VA, Hapa, and myself were my potential mayors that I'd be willing to vote for off hand. I explained how impessed I was with Hapa and Va's play. I further explained why I'm voting for hapa (as in, how his thought process shows he's town. The fact you dont' understand this and/or disagree with this is not relevant to the fact that I'm right), and how VA impressed my in my interactions with him-- since VA is a nonvet i had on my short list.
But yeah, hapa is town, and he WILL be the mayor.
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Blazinghand
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like, jesus oats you wonder why you get mislynched all the time, it's you're about as useful as a screen door on a submarine
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Disagree with you about hapa but whatever, cant change your mind/big headed ego.
Why am I scum.
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Blazinghand
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On June 10 2013 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Disagree with you about hapa but whatever, cant change your mind/big headed ego.
Why am I scum.
okay, you disagree with me about hapa. This means you think he's scum, and you aren't like somewhat worried about scum getting elected mayor? I'm a pretty influential guy, Oats. Come on! Convince me!
wat
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Blazinghand
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you're just lucky i remembered how bad you were in LXI or else you'd hang today
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