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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
November 30 2012 17:25 GMT
#2161
Tsm are just not a team imo. see how clgeu and the koreans train and theorycraft, while tsm is busy making videos of weird stuff... goooo clgeu, too bad u dont have to play today. so ill guess ill root for fear today
KCCO!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:34:22
November 30 2012 17:27 GMT
#2162
On December 01 2012 02:24 OutlaW- wrote:
A team comp is 5 individual champs.

As far as I'm referring to teamcomps, it refers to a potential draft of 5 champs that plays roughly the same way--representing a certain strategy. Within that teamcomp, certain champions may be interchangeable because for the purpose of that team they accomplish the same role.

You can "discover" a few individual champions, but still be copycatting by slotting those champs into existing teamcomps.

On December 01 2012 01:47 OutlaW- wrote:
they just need to practice some shit and develop some sort of strategy, because they really have none. just pick whatever floats theri boat

We're basically saying the same thing. You're just saying they have no strategy. I'm just saying they copy FotMs/what other people are doing rather than finding one that works for them.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 30 2012 17:29 GMT
#2163
On December 01 2012 02:24 OutlaW- wrote:
A team comp is 5 individual champs.

That's kind of an inane statement.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
November 30 2012 17:38 GMT
#2164
Does anyone know for sure what actual matches are on Stream 1 and 2 in 20mins? I see it differently in multiple places so I'm guessing they're mostly assumptions.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:40:25
November 30 2012 17:39 GMT
#2165
Busy yesterday so I just finished watching the WE and TPA games.

WE is such a heavy favourite for IPL5 now, given the collapse of Blaze and the predictable mediocrity of M5 in comparison. TPA is strong, but they have lost their biggest advantage over WE - their map control. All lanes favour or are even for WE and the jungle only slightly favours TPA now imoimo.

Holy shit, I'm so proud of that little strawberry. All grown up, not feeding first blood and giving space for Weixiao to farm. Sometimes he even carries the midgame. Misaya is playing a lot more passive these days, but when he's roaming, he's getting kills for his team. ClearLove is the big change for WE, as seen this tournament. ClearLove, Misaya and Caomei are so strong this tournament that they almost have games won by the midgame before Weixiao reaches 15 cs/min. Actually, Weixiao/fzzf is such an aggressive AD/support lane that Weixiao usually gets kills before 10 minutes and fzzf finishes aura items before 15 minutes.

Anyway, WE now faces their bogey team, CLG.eu and I can't see them not taking it, even if it is a 2-1. WE's versatility and ability to have controlled aggression should have always given them the advantage over CLG.eu even historically, but for some reason they always managed to chuck everything they knew out the window in the picks/bans phase in their previous match-ups. I hope they don't screw it up again and Misaya and Caomei actually get smart picks and do their proper jobs.

I predict WE > TPA in winner's bracket finals, Blaze > TPA in loser's bracket finals and WE = Blaze in the grand finals (really hard to say if Blaze even if Blaze is currently weaker individually since Korean teams are the masters of preparation and at sniping single teams).
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 30 2012 17:39 GMT
#2166
I think the ones in the op here are correct.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:57:46
November 30 2012 17:54 GMT
#2167
On December 01 2012 02:39 Irave wrote:
I think the ones in the op here are correct.

Looks like everyone was wrong

Stream 1: FeaR vs MP
Stream 2: Curse vs TD
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 18:09:14
November 30 2012 18:03 GMT
#2168
Lol, Malunoo is on my solo queue team playing on Aphromoo's smurf. He said he's warming up for CLG.prime.
HE'S PLAYING XIN DUN DUN DUN

EDIT: LOL WE'RE VS PATOY AND CREATON DUO QUEUE. This is how teams practice for events hue.
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haroz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Australia707 Posts
November 30 2012 18:03 GMT
#2169
omg voice actor for draven was awesome
LOST MY PASSION
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
November 30 2012 18:06 GMT
#2170
Wtf the M5/WE game. What were they thinking giving TF to Misaya lol
Forever Young
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 18:12:50
November 30 2012 18:06 GMT
#2171
On December 01 2012 01:47 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 01:39 ExoFun wrote:
On December 01 2012 01:36 TheYango wrote:
On December 01 2012 01:33 Numy wrote:
TSM drafting is just that bad.

Pretty much this.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record--TSM would do 10 times better if they actually learned to draft teamcomps that fit their playstyle and focus on champs they're comfortable playing rather than jumping on every FotM and having to start fresh every patch.

It's why Chaox gets so much undue credit for "carrying" TSM when he doesn't do anything spectacular--the AD pool changes the least compared to other roles, so even following FotMs he's still by and large playing his comfort champs and so fucks up less than Regi/TOO/Dyrus.

And they only copycat the teamsetups from other teams. I never seen anything they created themselfs.

oddone pretty much created jungle maokai
dyrus pretty much created olaf and partially jax. he also got vlad pretty famous. regi revolutionized cass. etc. it's just that they all stopped playing those kinds of things.
dyrus actually won (OH GAWD) his lane with olaf today. they just need to practice some shit and develop some sort of strategy, because they really have none. just pick whatever floats theri boat

By this post its obvious that you are a fan and dont wanna recognize they really arnt that well in the point "team comp Creativity".

But that is for the whole NA scene except for dignitas. They are watching the other regions play and trying to copy that but you see now... that they are always behind with their teampicking and lev1 fights. CLG.Na is the least behind the other regions but they still have lot to learn and i hope that season 3 is really going to be an eyeopener for the scene, but i think that is a fairlytail that no one believes except the fanbois.

On December 01 2012 01:47 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 01:39 ExoFun wrote:
On December 01 2012 01:36 TheYango wrote:
On December 01 2012 01:33 Numy wrote:
TSM drafting is just that bad.

Pretty much this.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record--TSM would do 10 times better if they actually learned to draft teamcomps that fit their playstyle and focus on champs they're comfortable playing rather than jumping on every FotM and having to start fresh every patch.

It's why Chaox gets so much undue credit for "carrying" TSM when he doesn't do anything spectacular--the AD pool changes the least compared to other roles, so even following FotMs he's still by and large playing his comfort champs and so fucks up less than Regi/TOO/Dyrus.

And they only copycat the teamsetups from other teams. I never seen anything they created themselfs.

Which reminds me of a certain Western Wolves (back then it was Tabzz, Yamato and some dutch guys) vs TSM in an EU Go4LoL almost a year ago when TSM had just started playing more in EU. Wolves beat them with Yorick, Cassiopeia, Ashe and I was watching from TSM's POV, after losing they were saying how good that comp was and that they should use it.

Couple of months later they were actually winning NA LANs with that comp and everyone was "omg genius!" on Reddit.


Edit: found a VOD:
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Their whole line up is an M5 set up... gj finding.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 30 2012 18:07 GMT
#2172
oh yeah im the biggest tsm fan
just read my other posts
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 30 2012 18:19 GMT
#2173
I don't recall seeing Jacky play Kata before. I hope this turns out well for them.

TD looked better than I expected yesterday but CRS still heavy favorite in my opinion. Regardless of winner, calling either team a heavy favorite won't happen again the rest of the tournament. Poor, poor NA.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 18:25:25
November 30 2012 18:21 GMT
#2174
leesin is fucking overpowered on level 3-4. op counterganker. but counterganking actually takes skill and if it doesnt happen then you're just wasting time. jungle being changed anyway
lee sin outfarming olaf. the apocalypse is near.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
November 30 2012 18:26 GMT
#2175
Is the stream lagging for anyone? It was perfect for me yesterday but lag really bad today...
Terran
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 30 2012 18:29 GMT
#2176
Yeah the Lol2 stream is just stuttering audio/video for me on any quality, making me really sad.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
November 30 2012 18:29 GMT
#2177
no lag here
watching both on twitch on 720p, windows 7, chrome, clgaming's website
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
November 30 2012 18:34 GMT
#2178
Ok, suddenly all is perfect again at 720p....
Live bracket here if anyone wants to see http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5
Terran
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 30 2012 18:37 GMT
#2179
Haha oh yeah, this patch is pre-Kat nerf.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 30 2012 18:39 GMT
#2180
Fear doesn't seem that impressive :/
Glorious SEA doto
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