• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:56
CET 08:56
KST 16:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket11Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2041 users

[IPL] IPL5 Discussion - Page 111

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 109 110 111 112 113 398 Next
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9137 Posts
November 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#2201
On December 01 2012 03:51 arb wrote:
Maybe after this tournament people will stop bitching when you don't ban morgana.

People do that? I never see Morgana banned in EUW.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#2202
Phreak has gotten really entertaining as a caster, imo.

Tankier teams seem to be kind of on the stronger side lately, especially in games like that where they don't last too long. I think if Jax and Twitch had gotten more time to get farmed and they'd kept an eye on Lee (who just got to have free reign of everything), that would have been a wildly different game.

That said, Fear got stomped rightly, I don't think they're good enough to pull off the types of games they want to play.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#2203
Besides the most hardcore TSM fans, I'm pretty sure most of us have caught on to how weak NA teams are by now in comparison to the world, so I wouldn't say these teams are overrated.

Also gogogo Crs! Show the world that you can stomp fellow NA teams just like TSM and CLG!
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
November 30 2012 18:53 GMT
#2204
On December 01 2012 03:46 AsnSensation wrote:
and there goes Aphro's fear top 3 prediction xD

really digging the atmosphere, cheering to wardkills is gonna be a running gag all season long, especially if deman is casting.


Fear's not dead yet. These are best-of-3 matches now.
Zero fighting.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 30 2012 18:55 GMT
#2205
Interesting. A betting commercial for IPL. I guess it's in Vegas hahha.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
November 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#2206
On December 01 2012 03:51 arb wrote:
Maybe after this tournament people will stop bitching when you don't ban morgana.

Nyjacky Morgana is definitely ban worthy. In any case, if anyone knew how to beat Morgana hard, it's Nyjacky being that he knows her so well
Platinum Support GOD
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#2207
On December 01 2012 03:53 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:46 AsnSensation wrote:
and there goes Aphro's fear top 3 prediction xD

really digging the atmosphere, cheering to wardkills is gonna be a running gag all season long, especially if deman is casting.


Fear's not dead yet. These are best-of-3 matches now.

Also what do you expect the guy to do. It's not the right to way come into a competition thinking you're gonna be raped by everyone, even if that's what is likely to happen.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#2208
On December 01 2012 03:53 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:51 arb wrote:
Maybe after this tournament people will stop bitching when you don't ban morgana.

People do that? I never see Morgana banned in EUW.


Think it depends what your ELO is.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
jgoonld
Profile Joined November 2010
334 Posts
November 30 2012 18:56 GMT
#2209
On December 01 2012 03:53 Slow Motion wrote:
Besides the most hardcore TSM fans, I'm pretty sure most of us have caught on to how weak NA teams are by now in comparison to the world, so I wouldn't say these teams are overrated.

Also gogogo Crs! Show the world that you can stomp fellow NA teams just like TSM and CLG!


Pretty much. Any dig fans that consistently watch them are more surprised when they manage not to throw a game from an early lead than when they do (I know I am). The teams are probably still overrated by the people who don't watch the asian or EU scenes at all, but for anyone who's keeping track of tournaments, NA teams definitely aren't rated highly.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
November 30 2012 18:57 GMT
#2210
Honestly I think it's even gotten to the point where people underrate NA teams. If they have a good day the top 4 can still take a game of any team.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
November 30 2012 18:57 GMT
#2211
On December 01 2012 03:53 Requizen wrote:
Phreak has gotten really entertaining as a caster, imo.

Tankier teams seem to be kind of on the stronger side lately, especially in games like that where they don't last too long. I think if Jax and Twitch had gotten more time to get farmed and they'd kept an eye on Lee (who just got to have free reign of everything), that would have been a wildly different game.

That said, Fear got stomped rightly, I don't think they're good enough to pull off the types of games they want to play.

While I wouldn't state it in absolute terms myself, I agree with sentiment... which sucks, cause I love rooting for underdog teams with the potential for upsets... it's just a problem when they play with a mindset like they are clear favorites, when they're really not. Still love fear tho, hoping they can pull out the 2-1... and then show an entertaining couple of games vs M5.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 30 2012 18:57 GMT
#2212
On December 01 2012 03:53 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:50 OutlaW- wrote:
overrated by who? tell me how you judge a team being overrated. im pretty sure the only team in NA being overrated is fear, which is gonna stop after this tournament unless they suddenly win 6 games.]
edit: curse are definitely stronger than TSM right now and maybe stronger than dignitas, too.


People still tend to rank Curse behind TSM, Dig and CLG.NA though.

Things will be fun when Curse manages to win vs CLG.NA in a major tournament. I'd love to see that happen, just for the drama.

You might get your wish, if I'm reading the bracket right, if CLG loses to Curse.Eu and Curse beats TD they will play in the second round of the losers bracket.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 19:03:28
November 30 2012 19:00 GMT
#2213
FeaR vs Meat Playground G2

MP bans: Katarina, Rengar, Shen
FeaR bans: Blitzcrank, Malphite, Nunu

MP picks: Lee Sin, Caitlyn + Zyra, Cho'Gath + Vladimir
FeaR picks: Diana + Lulu, Olaf + Ezreal, Jax
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
November 30 2012 19:00 GMT
#2214
wtf all are BO3??????????????? gonna slp .....
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-30 19:02:03
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2215
On December 01 2012 03:53 Requizen wrote:
Phreak has gotten really entertaining as a caster, imo.

Tankier teams seem to be kind of on the stronger side lately, especially in games like that where they don't last too long. I think if Jax and Twitch had gotten more time to get farmed and they'd kept an eye on Lee (who just got to have free reign of everything), that would have been a wildly different game.

That said, Fear got stomped rightly, I don't think they're good enough to pull off the types of games they want to play.


Phreak and Jatt are a pretty good combo. I was pretty impressed yesterday, especially as at one point Phreak humbly accepted he was wrong about something when Jatt corrected him.

Deman and Joe are still the best though.

Also, my bracket predictions:

[image loading]
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2216
FeaR maybe got some humility now, they're picking a far more conservative lineup.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2217
Lulu feels like the strongest support right now.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2218
Curious what are the stats on champions like Lulu/Diana/Lee Sin.

Apparently yesterday, out of 21 games, Lee Sin was either banned/picked 19 times, and Diana was picked/banned ALL 21 times.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2219
On December 01 2012 03:57 Woony wrote:
Honestly I think it's even gotten to the point where people underrate NA teams. If they have a good day the top 4 can still take a game of any team.


Example of overrating right here.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 30 2012 19:01 GMT
#2220
On December 01 2012 03:49 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 03:45 arb wrote:
I think Rhux is a pretty decent support for Curse.NA tbh.

A lot of people are starting to realize that he seems to be an improvement over Elementz. I can't say I blame everyone's apprehension though, the idea of someone winning a 1v1 tournament who mains top lane taking over the support position from a pro with tons of experience (regardless of his skill level) sounds pretty out there.

i was certain that this would be how rhux would play and get received as soon as i heard of his acceptance into crs. He has far more talent than elementz, but being an unknown only the more open minded of crs fans would look beyond his initial seemingly few differences will elementz to look at his greater skill objectively. I think he'll be recognized as a superior support in time but his lack of personality relatively speaking means it will take him some time to become a fan favorite.
Hey! Listen!
Prev 1 109 110 111 112 113 398 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
07:30
Playoffs
Zoun vs Classic
SHIN vs TriGGeR
herO vs Reynor
Maru vs MaxPax
IndyStarCraft 48
CranKy Ducklings30
3DClanTV 24
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 823
Tasteless 388
ProTech118
IndyStarCraft 48
Rex 35
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 875
ajuk12(nOOB) 237
Leta 197
JulyZerg 140
Killer 85
soO 47
ToSsGirL 45
Sharp 44
Noble 26
Sacsri 25
Dota 2
XaKoH 425
monkeys_forever353
League of Legends
JimRising 549
Other Games
summit1g14373
C9.Mang0237
Happy192
NeuroSwarm37
Trikslyr33
Dewaltoss16
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream2007
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 125
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH93
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1124
• Stunt551
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
4h 4m
Replay Cast
15h 4m
RSL Revival
23h 34m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 4h
SC Evo League
1d 4h
IPSL
1d 9h
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
1d 9h
BSL 21
1d 12h
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
1d 23h
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
2 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
2 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
Replay Cast
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.