EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 108
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
I'd like to lynch bum then Pyo, remember that thing I typed way back when DB fakeclaimed DT about how claiming naive/insane DT is a great play for Mafia? Yeah. Convenient that the claim comes out after he's finally being called out for lurking all game and how it perfectly gives him an excuse to be a lurker. On August 31 2011 01:48 Pyo wrote: bumatlarge - no idea really, I thought BB was scum, but the sub (and the need to be subbed in the first place) has thrown me off so I don't really know. WBG's analysis of him felt like bullshit though. If bum flips red I'm pretty sure Pyo is red too, especially if Vain is Town (he was one of the first/only to vote Vain over nard). Also this is the dumbest reason to soft defend anyone I've ever seen. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:51 Barundar wrote: Pyo you still haven't given your last check (the one from last night). Yes I did!!! xtffftc came back green... | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
okay you're naive. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Night 5 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3GsTJ.jpg) Bumatlarge knew what was coming, the murmurs had persisted through the evening, the dirty looks had started several days before, so when the mob showed up at his door bumatlarge was prepared. Dressed in a fine suit he watched bemusedly as the mob knocked down his door, waving their ESPORTS CO certified pitchforks. "KILL THE SCUM, KILL THE SCUM" the mob chanted as they trampled into the vestibule where bumatlarge sat, smoking a pipe and lounging in his chair, no even glancing up from his newspaper as the mob surged towards him. As the mob seized him, still chanting "BUM IS SCUM, BUM IS SCUM" bumatlarge just laughed and laughed. He was still laughing when the mob left him atop the tree of thorns. The shrike thrummed, and bumatlarge found himself still impaled on a spike on the tree, his intestines mixing with his red blood, despite this his maniacal laugh haunted the town into the night, long after his corpse had stopped writhing. Bumatlarge, High Cultist Taramyr the Blightconjurer ( Cultist of Tiamanicus) has died laughing! + Show Spoiler [ High Cultist] + Cultist of Tiamanicus - welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are High Cultist Taramyr the Blightconjurer, known for leading the cult in the mass sacrifice of innocents in the Scourging of Moldovia, you have come to Liquidia to lead the cult in finding the powerful shrike. As a dark master of illusion you may cast a spell on someone each night, reversing the result an inquisitor investigating them will receive. In addition you may communicate with your team and help decide kills. Your hobbies include murdering Liquidians, torturing your enemies and eating little children. Your team consists of: You, yourself, this guy, the guy over there, that guy and the other guy This is your QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/iJjW4HXy8kQB It is now night 5. Make sure PM's are in on time! | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Bum = Framer Bum = Wealth of information. GJ town. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
These people are likely town. It's PoE time now guys. WOOOOOOOOOO | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
However, it's definitely worth it to see who pointed at Vain prior to Chaoser's check on him. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
So who are your picks for the remaining three and why? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
1. Lucidity 2. chaos13 3. ghrur replaced by Barundar 4. xtfftc 5. Erandorr 6. RayzorFlash 7. darkponcho replaced by VisceraEyes 8. Vain 9. chaoser 10. supersoft 11. Navillus 12. Curu 13. Pyo 14. Kurumi | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 02 2011 16:42 xtfftc wrote: However, it's definitely worth it to see who pointed at Vain prior to Chaoser's check on him. Here goes: The one who first put Vain under the spotlight was Foolishness: On August 22 2011 08:59 Foolishness wrote: When the vote count was 8-12 in favor of Sevryn, both Mig and Vain came in and voted for Sevryn, which in turn caused all of us to switch our votes back. If Rayzor is mafia than this could have been a last attempt by the mafia to ensure Sevryn got lynched. Then Erandorr agrees with Vain but doesn't mention Mig: On August 22 2011 22:40 Erandorr wrote: A quick question to the experienced guys : Are you focusing on the guys you know so much because they have the potential to be more dangerous? Because Nard, xtfftc and Vain are just scummy as fuck. + Show Spoiler + Side-note: Erandorr, just like Mig, soft-defended Rayzor on Day 1. On August 21 2011 23:08 Erandorr wrote: But concerning Rayzor , Foolishness pointed out something interesting : What are your thoughts on that? Supersoft joins in immediately to restate his suspicions on Vain (and me) and also doesn't bother mentioning Mig. On August 22 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote: i don't understand this either. I agree with your 3 targets, and I completely forgot about vain! On August 23 2011 04:06 supersoft wrote: it's more like a defense chain rather than a circle... xtfftc defends vain, vain defends you. Because of that i'd like to lynch xtfftc and vain first. There might be the possibility, that you're town and they hope we lynch you and defend you therefor to gain towncredit. But he has been doing this since Day 1... I don't think that he went for me and Vain to ease off the pressure from Mig like Foolishness suggested. It makes much more sense that mafia saw the opportunity and seized it. But frankly, someone else has to go through Supersoft's posts because all of his irrational tunneling has influenced perception of him and I can't figure out whether he is mafia or simply playing poorly. + Show Spoiler + Things that make me suspicious of him that others might want to consider include a lot of spam and pointless one-liners; a lot of restating what he already said without putting anything new on the table; never bothering to explain himself when accused; and, most importantly, not addressing posts that refute his arguments. He has also been pushing for Vain since the beginning of the game but now that Vain has been all but confirmed as not mafia, Supersoft didn't even bother mentioning it. Some now confirmed townies joined in as well: On August 22 2011 23:50 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I want to kill brownbear and vain, take a harder look at Mig and xtfftc. On August 23 2011 00:22 wherebugsgo wrote: I would suggest also that you guys all remember Trotske and Vain. Some of the names from day 1 are being forgotten because of this hardcore tunneling going on. VE I think you're tunnelling too hard on Palmar and are missing other valuable leads we have right now. I say this based off what I read by filtering your posts. On August 23 2011 00:41 Jackal58 wrote: Mig/Vain. Either one. Pick one and lynch the fuck out of them. If Mig flips scum I'm willing to look at Palmar as more of a townie. If Vain flips scum I'm willing to give Foolishness another look see. Neither Foolishness nor Palmar give me a warm fuzzy feeling atm but looking at how Mig and Vain hammered home the lynch on Sevryn without so much as a howdy do I am pretty certain one of them is scum if not both. BB reminded us of Vain a few times but it was to be expected. Also Kurumi, in his typical style: On August 23 2011 21:49 Kurumi wrote: @Vain DB never said this in the thread. You and him need to die. The only thing that might be of some value are Curu's comments on Vain. There are lots of them: + Show Spoiler + On August 21 2011 08:39 Curu wrote: lol Sevyrn I like nard and Rayzor as lynches. Nard and Rayzor are both trying to plan where to point the finger for DB/Sevyrn lynches: hiro protagonist receives the "page full of useless posts" award. Wait no, that goes to JeeJee. Or Vain. darkponcho? Oh, ohhh, chaoser and Mig! We expect more from you two. On August 23 2011 11:14 Curu wrote: I'll be down to lynch chaoser for his general uselessness and jumping all over the OMGUS vote onto Mig (leaning more towards the scum being him now). Vain is someone we should look at, I have no idea why Palmar thinks xtffc is Town. On August 23 2011 11:37 Curu wrote: Ok, this post needs some serious love: This is the best case posted yet IMO. I really don't like this post by Jackal: Coinflip sure, but why Mig? If Town he is undoubtedly the stronger player than Vain. Mig had actually tried to start something about chaoser earlier, whereas Vain jumped in with an absolutely nonsensical post that was complete flip-floppery over Sevyrn/Rayzor yet conveniently landed his vote on Sevyrn and disappeared. He has also shown no interest or contributing or scumhunting, only in defending himself. Vain for sure looked worse than Mig and Mig is for sure the more dangerous player against Mafia. Yet you chose to put your votes on Mig when there was a wagon building up on him from Foolishness/chaoser rather than pursuing Vain. Can you explain this more? xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip????? chaoser is a mostly meta argument but he has been so useless this game. His vote is an OMGUS onto Mig and he's done no real scumhunting or Town contributions of his own. Vain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652 0 contributions on day 1, a quickvote on Sevyrn when people were talking about scum likely avoiding the thread. He's become a bit more active now that people suspect him, but with still no relevant contributions. Plunks his top suspect as nard, where it can lie uselessly. DropBear wasn't even on my radar (I thought it was just something Palmar was doing to draw reactions) but Mig's post is excellent. I don't think a chaoser lynch will happen today, but I think any of Vain, xtfftc, or DB are great lynches for today. The Mig/xtfftc wagons ran concurrently, so one may be a case of scum trying to push a diversion wagon. On August 23 2011 22:28 Curu wrote: Vain does. I've said many times that Mig's meta is godawful for Mafia, he has to bus his teammates and make quality posts or he gets shot into the spotlight. Think of Vain like Kenpachi, no one expects him to do anything relevant and he flies under the radar. That scares me much more than someone who has to constantly post and contribute. On August 25 2011 05:48 Curu wrote: Vain somehow is on the edge of everyone's radar but has never become a serious topic of consideration. Let's take a look at his posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652 Read this and ask yourself what are Vain's serious contributions? Nothing. His posts consist of calling Palmar Town, casually suggesting nard and xtfftc as scum. Actually, he suggests nard and xtfftc as his top two scumreads with "I dunno" as his third. Let's take a look at the voting thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=256518&user=53652 Oh cool, he has two votes, both of which were extremely late votes on the person who was going to get lynched already. So he gives his top two scumreads when asked (note that he has never surrendered anything willingly) but does -nothing- to try to push his "reads" or draw attention to them/himself. Other than that he says some stuff like "if supersoft is townie we're fucked" - note this is when DB said he had a red check on supersoft. Why is he posting like he thinks supersoft is a Townie? Every other post is completely worthless. Nard is also a topic for everyone but nothing ever solidifies on him. Everything from his first post drips scumminess. He goes through these pointless lists that do nothing, like this: + Show Spoiler + 2. foolishness, why do you think Mig's post is more scummy than the last few posts of servyn? i kinda understand why the post sounds scummy as it adds nothing new and tries to convince, but what is your opinion about servyn then? 3. mig, foolishness has a point which shouldn't be forgotten. "Foolishness - I don't really agree with you that Mig is scummy. Mig - Foolishness is right, you are scummy, don't ignore him" WHAT Other than that leaves vague statements about how Town is doing, deposits his vote uselessly, never tries to lead anything or express an opinion. Like wtf is this post: Every day he includes a list of people he would like to look into or follow up on, every day he manages to only discuss a little bit of useless info then deposit his vote somewhere useless. The case against xtfftc has been worn out, but here's the latest: This is not Pro Town at all and is not indicative of a Pro Town mindset. No Townie can be certain of anyone else's alignment, we have to push our strongest reads. If everyone operated under the condition that if you are wrong you get lynched, nobody would ever try to push their opinions or develop leads. BrownBear doesn't have a single original post or opinion after the throwaway on JeeJee. Yeah you post a wall of text everyday, but it's a post-by-post analysis on one single person. You criticize Palmar for tunnelvision but look at yourself dude, except you don't even seem interested in trying to push your one tunneled person while Palmar is actually trying to get them lynched. chaos13 seems to be 1% less useless than he is when he's playing as scum. VE and Kurumi, I don't even know. On August 27 2011 23:06 Curu wrote: Good shit. I'd like to hear from Rayzor/Nard/Vain/bumatlarge. IMO one of these should be the lynch tomorrow. None of them strikes me as especially suspicious. However, there are a lot of them - more than by anyone else - and most of them are inbetween other accusations. He has posted so much on Vain, suggesting we should pay more attention to him, yet never made a serious stand-alone case on his target. Instead, he is merely updating existing cases made by others. Still, although I am more suspicious of him now than I used to be, Curu is not on my mafia list. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 02 2011 20:17 supersoft wrote: 1. Lucidity 2. chaos13 3. ghrur replaced by Barundar 4. xtfftc 5. Erandorr 6. RayzorFlash 7. darkponcho replaced by VisceraEyes 8. Vain 9. chaoser 10. supersoft 11. Navillus 12. Curu 13. Pyo 14. Kurumi Mafia have done a good job on night kills. I've been suspicious of every single name there at some point or another. I still don't agree with stfftc or Rayzor though. I think they're lynches that should have been dropped a long time ago. What I'm wondering now is why Kurumi is still alive. Chances are he's a scum vigilante. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
I'm certain on Chaoser, Lucidity, Barundar and VisceraEyes being town. Less certain but still pretty sure they are town for Chaos13, Curu, Supersoft. Vain as well but only due to WBG catching BB, so I am half-expecting him to flip Corrupted Liquidian. Erandorr is probably town but he is on my to do list, so will post on him later. * Pyo's claim still makes absolutely no sense to me if it comes from a mafia player but after re-reading the posts before his claim I can see that he was under significant pressure. He had a few days in front of him to defend himself properly and start contributing because other players had priority on the lynch list - but he decided not to. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
since the end of like day3 or something i don't think that your posts indicate that you're scum. But I still have no real explanation for the votings that happened on day2. Maybe I read too much in there, and BB flipping red also weakens my case against you. I believed that mig and you are both scum, because on mig was no scum and mig/nard didn't vote you either. I am not 100% sure anymore... Also vain, yes i think he's green. And he was a suspect of mine because he refusd to switch on rayzor. But that doesn't change my attitude towards rayzor. I still think that he's scum. I will post something about the players that i think are town for sure. since I don't want them to get shot, I'll post that tomorrow. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Details later, I'm heading to work. | ||
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