TL Mafia XLIV - Page 107

Now, I was going to wait a little bit longer to post this (I've been sitting on it for a while now - was waiting to confirm my sanity before saying anything), but I'm convinced that Wherebugsgo is scum, probably Godfather.

On September 01 2011 22:40 Lucidity wrote:
Vain has a red check from a DT.

And he was seen moving in the night.

He has claimed VT.

He can't be both a miller and a nosy neighbour.

gg?

##vote Vain.

If he flips green then chaoser is mafia.

P.S. There's five dead blues already, Chaoser is likely another one. If both Pyo and Kurumi's claims are valid, this means a total of eight. How many blues can we expect to have with this setup?

On September 01 2011 22:45 Barundar wrote:
Vain moved during night? Please, do explain.

On September 01 2011 22:51 xtfftc wrote:

Why would mafia post this during nighttime and then kill WBG? Surely if mafia wanted us to believe Pyo's claim, they would have kept WBG alive or told Pyo to accuse someone else. The only way I see for both BB/Bum and Pyo to be mafia is that they are constantly arguing with each other with the hope that after one of them flips red, the other will have more town cred. But the DT claim still doesn't make sense.. If BB/Bum flips red tonight, I'd be inclined to give Pyo some more time.

On September 01 2011 22:51 xtfftc wrote:
Pyo put more effort into justifying his plan than in executing the plan itself - and it sounds to me as if the idea only occured to him after some of us suggested that he was trying to draw the attention away from somebody else. He also refused to comment on Kurumi, whom I am still suspicious of.

On September 01 2011 23:30 Pyo wrote:


Seriously, where is the connection between me and BB/Bum coming from... People have been saying this all game...

On September 01 2011 23:45 Pyo wrote:


Read SNMMIV...

I didn't refuse to comment on Kurumi, I refused to acknowledge that he's playing in this game. Kurumi is an obnoxious, spammy player that always seems scummy - any read on him is a null read. I don't really believe anything he's said or that he actually is what he claimed to be, but chaoser checked him and got green, so assuming chaoser isn't lying, there's nothing else to say about him.

On September 01 2011 20:53 Pyo wrote:


herpaderp... just noticed this... as much as I'd like to see vain flip.

##vote bumatlarge


I'm gonna totally be kicking myself if it turns out I'm actually sane...

On September 01 2011 22:52 xtfftc wrote:
P.S. There's five dead blues already, Chaoser is likely another one. If both Pyo and Kurumi's claims are valid, this means a total of eight. How many blues can we expect to have with this setup?

Also, it would be pretty funny if BB/Bum did frame Vain but then Vain flips Corrupted Liquidian.

And ##vote: Bumatlarge

That will not happen this game. Midday tomorrow (real time) at the latest I will be making a lurker list, assuming Kurumi actually steps up his play I will push for the day 1 lynch to come from that list, after that I will strongly encourage for vigilantes and mad hatters to start shooting into that list like a bunch of trigger happy Heavies.

Now I understand that there are a lot of new players this game, what this means for you is if you're town, post a lot. It's that simple, you don't have to worry about giving a scum read because you're not scum so post every time you have an opinion. If you're scum... yeah you might want to worry, of course if you try to not post I'll get you killed for being on the list, I guess if you're scum you should just concede now.

On August 21 2011 10:14 Navillus wrote:
Ok guys, all the scum voting for Sev obviously won't switch their votes, but if you are town and you are voting for sev please switch it's very unlikely that he's scum because he got bandwagoned so easily and when there were plenty of options he was the one bandwagoned, scum wouldn't let that happen to one of their own this will also let us get better reads on the people who leave their votes on sev.

On August 20 2011 23:38 Navillus wrote:
I need sleep and can't really think straight but here is the lurker list you all wanted so badly, please, please no need to thank me...

Trotske-2 game related posts
Lucidity-2 Maybe kinda sorta game related posts
Jackal58-1 maybe 2 game related posts (this suprised me, more on it later)
Hiro Protagonist-1 game related post
Munk-E-1 (large) game related post
Darkponcho-NOTHING
Vain-2 game related posts
Kurumi-No posts for 36+ hours

Now this isn't here to try to redirect the conversation we seem to be doing well enough on our own, but the big thing I want noted is I couldn't even start to look for semi-lurkers for the list because there are so many people hardcore lurking right now, this is exactly what I want to avoid because if we keep getting nothing out of 8 people, late game we won't have anything close to a read on them and that's big trouble.

Back to the current discussion I am still very suspicious of Palmer but that lynch doesn't look like it will happen, I'm voting xtfftc because for now quicksilver has convinced me but I definitely will be back in time for the lynch and to get a better judgement myself which leads me to

We need to decide who our 2 main candidates are soon, if we don't have 2 options in time for everyone to vote based on that then we may well see a no-lynch, that is not good.

Last, to palmar, you're suspicious of Brownbear for trying to deflect a lynch, that would naturally imply that the person he's deflecting the lynch from would also be scum, are you still convinced that DB is scum?

On September 02 2011 01:32 xtfftc wrote:
Navillus.



Right.


Right...

Oh, wait, Navillus ends up being one of the worst lurkers. He posted a lot on Day 1 and then just stopped. Later he claimed that he is busy IRL and that he can not keep with the thread but the thread is very slow now and he is yet to contribute. I reckon that a townie who is busy enough to miss a vote would ask for a replacement beucase of ther inability to contribute, while a mafia would be happy to fly under the radar.



Poor. Although it is possible for a town player to not consider the fact that most Europeans are asleep at 4AM, such negligence shouldn't go unnoticed because it allows mafia to distract us with similar unfounded claims. And if Rayzor is mafia, attempting a switch to him was a dangerous move for mafia players but it was very unlikely to happen, so it was a risk worth taking. And it's even better if Rayzor is green because the whole drama surrounding the switch was an opportunity for mafia to gain town cred.



This post is amazing. BB, just like Navillus, was trying to convince town to lynch someone inactive and thus give a "free pass" (Palmar's words) for non-lurking mafia (like BB and Navillus). But this is just a side-note.

But apart from still pursuing his "lurkers should be lynched/killed by vigilantes" agenda, he conveniently reaffirmed his suspicion on Palmar - and then addressed Palmar's best contribution at the very end.

Moreover, the way he defended BB was by suggesting that Palmar's case relies on DB being mafia. Here's what Palmar wrote in case you need reminding.

But Palmar didn't base his case on a connection between BB and DB. He based it on BB's reaction over Palmar's accusations against DB but there was absolutely nothing about DB being mafia or town. So where does Navillus' suggestion come from?

Moreover, DB was acting very suspiciously. He did end up flipping blue but only mafia knew that he wasn't red for sure. So attacking Palmar's case this way doesn't make sense if you are town.


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In a conclussion, out of the current lurkers, Navillus is the one I am most suspicious of.

On September 02 2011 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also, I'd like everyone to take a look at Navillus. In particular, I noticed something interesting while looking at the vote-counts. Anyone realize that until we hit scum, Navillus was NOT on the town agreed-upon lynch? In Majority lynch this is a big deal because of the risk of no-lynch.

He was able to escape suspicion by not being on any kind of lynch that can be analyzed...I think it's time that end. Anyone else seeing what I see in Navillus? I'm gonna go filter him down and see what I see (this is strictly VCA, I hadn't read his posts yet.)