EPTMod edit #2:
On December 22 2010 23:41 Ipp wrote:
This is entirely blown out of proportion and incorrect. Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming? This news story comes from rakaka and as TLO stated in the TeamLiquid post regaurding this situation: “I wouldn’t take news that origins from rakaka too seriously thoe. They are basically the sun of e-sports so always read their posts with caution”.
So what happened? The event is a set of 18 “LAN” tournaments that will not be streamed. If you win 11 out of the 18, you get a very nice computer. As MorroW and SjoW are the only 2 pros competing, they plan to get to the finals every time. As they are equal in skill level, it is unlikely for one them to go 11 and 18. So they discussed making a pact starting that one will always forfeit; why? Because if they unlock all the prizes both of them can get a 1st place prize pool and come out winners.
They were caught talking about doing it, since then they talked to the admins to ask if it was ok. The admin said no, so one of them will drop out but they will still share the prize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Is it a shame they are avoiding playing eachother so they can make more money? Yes but it’s because of the tournament setup, financially it is a no brainer.
Still don’t understand?
* it’s local LANs with not many spectators and not being streamed
* they talked to admins, the leaked convo was them realizing they could both get a 1st place prize pool
* they were going to forfeit, now one dropped out
* there was never a fixed match
I hope that settles this issue and if you are part of the media please verify before you post. Also shame on any site who just reposted Rakaka’s article, get some original content. In otherwords, Match Fixing? Don’t Worry, tahts BW.
This is entirely blown out of proportion and incorrect. Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming? This news story comes from rakaka and as TLO stated in the TeamLiquid post regaurding this situation: “I wouldn’t take news that origins from rakaka too seriously thoe. They are basically the sun of e-sports so always read their posts with caution”.
So what happened? The event is a set of 18 “LAN” tournaments that will not be streamed. If you win 11 out of the 18, you get a very nice computer. As MorroW and SjoW are the only 2 pros competing, they plan to get to the finals every time. As they are equal in skill level, it is unlikely for one them to go 11 and 18. So they discussed making a pact starting that one will always forfeit; why? Because if they unlock all the prizes both of them can get a 1st place prize pool and come out winners.
They were caught talking about doing it, since then they talked to the admins to ask if it was ok. The admin said no, so one of them will drop out but they will still share the prize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Is it a shame they are avoiding playing eachother so they can make more money? Yes but it’s because of the tournament setup, financially it is a no brainer.
Still don’t understand?
* it’s local LANs with not many spectators and not being streamed
* they talked to admins, the leaked convo was them realizing they could both get a 1st place prize pool
* they were going to forfeit, now one dropped out
* there was never a fixed match
I hope that settles this issue and if you are part of the media please verify before you post. Also shame on any site who just reposted Rakaka’s article, get some original content. In otherwords, Match Fixing? Don’t Worry, tahts BW.
Mod edit #3:
On December 23 2010 02:28 MorroW wrote:
when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it
so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player
in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer.
i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed
and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha
if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.
you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really
me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy
lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row
many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.
this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^
ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game.
it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.
just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one
i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there
when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it
so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player
in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer.
i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed
and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha
if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.
you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really
me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy
lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row
many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.
this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^
ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game.
it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.
just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one
i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there
Just saw this on Gosugamers. Reposting here.
MorroW and SjoW caught match fixing!
Apparently MorroW and SjoW have been caught planning to cheat in the upcoming IOL tournament. SjoW was supposed to lose the final so that Morrow could the get first place prize (a very nice computer). It will be interesting to see what Dignitas and mouz will make of this.
Source: http://rakaka.se/?newsID=15691
Edit: Full Translation of Original Article (source anon)
"Stars Plan Fixed Games"
Two Swedish star players contracted by mouz and dignitas settle on match fixing.
Two of our greatest SC2-stars, the reigning Intel Extreme Masters champion Stefan "MorroW" Andersson (in German Mouseports) and Inferno Online Launch Party-champion Jeffery "SjoW" Brusi from British Team Dignitas are settling on results before matches have even been played.
It was all uncovered when hot headed Terran/Zerg-player MorroW was streaming while playing, at the same time chatting with SjoW about making sure they'd play the future IOS Christmas Tournament in a manner that would ensure one of them would win. The two "rivals" talked about rigging the tournament, so that the player they wanted to advance would advance, as well as in the case of both reaching the finals "throwing the match" and sharing the prize money.
Morrow PM to Sjow:
*In case I'm streaming, they say can read it but it's hard.
*Anyhow, everything's ok then I hope
*We can play the finals
*But only if we reward the win to whom we want
SjoW about it on the swedish IRC-channel #swe.sc2:
*We are going to cooperate on IO
*Me n' MorroW
*And these faggots start to whine about it
As if this wasn't enough, Rakaka have received reports that one of the admins of Inferno Online's SC2-tournament, the well known Swedish SC2-commentator and tournament admin Marcel "Maven" Mattsson, has given his "approval" for the planed throwaway game. Rakaka found Maven through the chat in WoW, where he commented on what had transpired:
"* yea, i've talked to them
* well you can't really do anything [about it]
* Won't ban them either"
Rakaka.se has discussed what has happened with Dignitas manager ODEEE, who declined to give a comment before he had the chance to talk to his player.
Translator's summary and explanation (watching the stream and IRC discussion unfold personally): Swedish internet café holds 18 nightly events during the winter holidays. The prize payouts increase in an 11-step scale the more of the tournaments one single player wins, with the 11th win awarding a computer worth $6000.
Morrow thinks his stream quality is too bad for anyone to be able to read, he assures SjoW of this when SjoW asks him "Are you streaming?". Both of them then scheme and agree on working together to take advantage of the prize payout structure. If both of them compete, there's less of a chance any of them wins anything of real worth, so they agree that one of them (SjoW), will throwaway games if they both reach the finals. Or that they ensure that the "right" players reach the finals.
SjoW later discussed it in an open manner in the swedish IRC-channel #swe.sc2 (alof of people saw the conversation on Morrow's stream), not thinking it was a big deal at all.
Added SjoW's responses:
On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
On December 22 2010 15:42 SjoW wrote:
How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
On December 22 2010 15:46 SjoW wrote:
I agree its wrong on a big tournament because it lets down the audiance. By not showing a good game or not a game at all. But in this case theres no audiance at all.
I agree its wrong on a big tournament because it lets down the audiance. By not showing a good game or not a game at all. But in this case theres no audiance at all.
On December 22 2010 15:50 SjoW wrote:
Theres only one prize on each tournament and read what I typed... We expected to be in finals every single one we participated in...
Theres only one prize on each tournament and read what I typed... We expected to be in finals every single one we participated in...
Update:
In a later article, rakaka got in touch with Inferno Online's owner Anton "Budak" Budak, who had the following to say: "No throwaway games, the slightest suspicion and they'll be banned for life". He added: "I decide, and nothing unsportsmanlike is allowed
Another Mod edit: This is a must read before responding to this to clear up what exactly happened.
On December 22 2010 23:41 Ipp wrote:
This is entirely blown out of proportion and incorrect. Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming? This news story comes from rakaka and as TLO stated in the TeamLiquid post regaurding this situation: “I wouldn’t take news that origins from rakaka too seriously thoe. They are basically the sun of e-sports so always read their posts with caution”.
So what happened? The event is a set of 18 “LAN” tournaments that will not be streamed. If you win 11 out of the 18, you get a very nice computer. As MorroW and SjoW are the only 2 pros competing, they plan to get to the finals every time. As they are equal in skill level, it is unlikely for one them to go 11 and 18. So they discussed making a pact starting that one will always forfeit; why? Because if they unlock all the prizes both of them can get a 1st place prize pool and come out winners.
They were caught talking about doing it, since then they talked to the admins to ask if it was ok. The admin said no, so one of them will drop out but they will still share the prize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Is it a shame they are avoiding playing eachother so they can make more money? Yes but it’s because of the tournament setup, financially it is a no brainer.
Still don’t understand?
* it’s local LANs with not many spectators and not being streamed
* they talked to admins, the leaked convo was them realizing they could both get a 1st place prize pool
* they were going to forfeit, now one dropped out
* there was never a fixed match
I hope that settles this issue and if you are part of the media please verify before you post. Also shame on any site who just reposted Rakaka’s article, get some original content. In otherwords, Match Fixing? Don’t Worry, tahts BW.
This is entirely blown out of proportion and incorrect. Do you honestly think a previous IEM winner is stupid enough to talk about match fixing while streaming? This news story comes from rakaka and as TLO stated in the TeamLiquid post regaurding this situation: “I wouldn’t take news that origins from rakaka too seriously thoe. They are basically the sun of e-sports so always read their posts with caution”.
So what happened? The event is a set of 18 “LAN” tournaments that will not be streamed. If you win 11 out of the 18, you get a very nice computer. As MorroW and SjoW are the only 2 pros competing, they plan to get to the finals every time. As they are equal in skill level, it is unlikely for one them to go 11 and 18. So they discussed making a pact starting that one will always forfeit; why? Because if they unlock all the prizes both of them can get a 1st place prize pool and come out winners.
They were caught talking about doing it, since then they talked to the admins to ask if it was ok. The admin said no, so one of them will drop out but they will still share the prize. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Is it a shame they are avoiding playing eachother so they can make more money? Yes but it’s because of the tournament setup, financially it is a no brainer.
Still don’t understand?
* it’s local LANs with not many spectators and not being streamed
* they talked to admins, the leaked convo was them realizing they could both get a 1st place prize pool
* they were going to forfeit, now one dropped out
* there was never a fixed match
I hope that settles this issue and if you are part of the media please verify before you post. Also shame on any site who just reposted Rakaka’s article, get some original content. In otherwords, Match Fixing? Don’t Worry, tahts BW.
Update #2:
An inaccurate fact that is being spread in the thread is the fact that SjoW and MorroW asked the admin and got a "no" as an answer. Sjow himself writes admin said no, which is untrue.
SjoW and MorroW are both good friends with Maven, the tournament admin for Inferno Online's SC2-tournament. Since Maven is a friend of the two, rakaka deemed it probable he was biased in his decision to give the go ahead for the two to throwaway games.
The admin didn't say no. Since he was a friend of theirs he obliged and said yes. The one who ultimately said no and had the admin change his mind was internét café owner Budak. The newsworthiness of the article extends to reporting about the admin being biased in his judgement due to being too friendly with the players.
Ultimately, it was the internet café owner who stepped in to forbid it after the story broke. Not the admin.
