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Maphacker invited to WCS USA Qualifiers @ MLG

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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 05:28:38
June 05 2012 23:02 GMT
#1
EDIT: Guys, let's keep this clean. No threats of physical violence or anything like that--- yes, we all hate hackers but there's no need to suggest something so drastic.

EDIT #2: It's been confirmed that "Zack" will no longer be competing at WCS. He withdrew from the competition. No word on whether or not he will be banned... but most importantly, as long as he's not competing we should still be a bit happy.


What does he receive? A free ticket + hotel reservation (Thursday morning until Monday morning...) that's covered at MLG Anaheim. So the question is... why is Blizzard inviting someone who uses a maphack? What does this say about their ability to prevent cheaters/hackers from running rampant from online tournaments with prize pools?

Please read everything before commenting something silly like, "omg! not another of these threads" or, "innocent until proven guilty". We'll get to that.

List of the 64 invited/qualified players for WCS USA: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/36#event_91_usa-nationals-of-the-wcs

He is #54, "Zack". The Protoss player whom qualified through ladder.

HRGZack qualified through "ladder", though nobody knows the specifics exactly on what that means (he was GM last season and this season, however).

Link to account via battle.net: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3190392/1/HRGzack/
Link to account via sc2ranks: http://sc2ranks.com/us/3190392/HRGzack

He is the only HRGZack, no other accounts are seen anywhere.


The two replays we will examine can be downloaded here:
Replay #1 - http://drop.sc/178076
Replay #2 - http://drop.sc/187414

While both replays are quite resourceful in proving he hacks, replay #2 proves beyond a doubt he is using the multi-feature maphack.

I have recorded/uploaded two videos on youtube:
Replay #1 - + Show Spoiler +

Replay #2 - + Show Spoiler +


* Disclaimer: I am not a professional caster, nor did I spend time writing/thinking out what to say. I simply watched the replays one time, and then recorded my thoughts on the games and key parts where I thought indicated suspicious play/obvious maphacking parts.

...but really, all you need to do is watch the replays and you should be able to see why.
Seriously, just watch the replays.


The two opponents he played in both replays are also NA accounts:
Replay #1 - WhosTheSmuRf
http://sc2ranks.com/us/3569877/WhosTheSmuRf - cannot find battle.net link, he probably name changed, so I don't know what it is now
Replay #2 - WatanabeMayu
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1232347/1/WatanabeMayu/


The things you should notice:
-Build openers
-Blind countering builds
-Re-positioning of units to intercept particular units/armies in both games
-Camera stays on his base the majority of the game, and also "locked' for a particular time frame in certain areas
-HUGE lack of scouting


But if that's not enough to prove it... how about:
-APM Skyrocketing to 550~ish in battles. Please show me replays of all the high level pros in SC2 that get this high.

Or better yet, 20~ish stalkers all selected, yet one by one they are blinked back individually (apm goes above 350+++). For this example, refer to Replay #2 @ around 20 or so minutes when the Zerg tries to counter the 3rd while HRGZack is killing his bases off.


Now why is this a big deal? Well, for those of you saying, "who cares, he'll be knocked out first round", or, "well if there was anyone else who didn't qualify that is "deserving" it's not like they deserve to be there since they'll probably just lose first round"--- that's not the point. The point is someone cheating the system is getting freebies to an event plenty of other players work hard to attend. Believe me, there are still plenty of players who did not qualify who do honestly probably deserve to go. Players who worked hard to attain GM/High Masters+.

Worst of all, Blizzard is paying for his expenses.



Also, a little added extra:
Hotkey/APM comparisons of HRGZack and other known maphackers.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614&currentpage=27#522

A TL search with content of HRGZack (for those of you lazy !): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=hrgzack&t=c&f=-1&u=&gb=date&d=
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 05 2012 23:03 GMT
#2
Maphackers should definitely not be getting flown out to WCS, especially not if they qualified from ladder.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 05 2012 23:04 GMT
#3
Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...

I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously

PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 23:05:00
June 05 2012 23:04 GMT
#4
I knew something was fishy bout him..

Atleast he can't hack on lan without getting owned by blizzard ~_~
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DomiNater
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States527 Posts
June 05 2012 23:05 GMT
#5
And. Here. We. GO!!!!!

+ Show Spoiler +
Again....
After I captured the elephant in the room, swept her under the rug for the hell of it... I welcome you to the melting through, of a planet that was selfish in its development of a healthy view.
Sm1Le
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States179 Posts
June 05 2012 23:06 GMT
#6
gg no re
Masvidal
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)213 Posts
June 05 2012 23:06 GMT
#7
This is one of those things where there is no debate. I asked everyone to be skeptical with the Spades thing, but if his stalkers are blinking back while he has all of them selected, there is no argument or excuse, as the blink hack is well known. See, THIS is the kind of EVIDENCE that people need to provide to bust someone. This guy can't say anything to dispute this, because he could not possibly have done that if he wasn't hacking. Good thread, good evidence. A guy who signed up the day before to TL posting a thread full of speculation at most is not the way to do it ("drolets). This is evidence. That was random speculation.
"Teamliquid is a place for starcraft, not boobs." -autoexec
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
June 05 2012 23:06 GMT
#8
we'll see what happens, lol
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
June 05 2012 23:07 GMT
#9
Free win for whoever he pairs up against I guess, as well as having to eat on his own in the toilets :D
Masvidal
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)213 Posts
June 05 2012 23:07 GMT
#10
On June 06 2012 08:04 iNcontroL wrote:
Problem is tickets are booked and I doubt they will act on this...

I think it's just important that we make sure he knows he isn't welcome and choose to mock him continuously

PS: He is one of the absolute most BM people on the ladder.. a distant 2nd to hacking sure but hacking AND being a dick about it at the same time? Usually those people know not to show up to a lan.. I think we should verify that stigma.

Please, please do.
"Teamliquid is a place for starcraft, not boobs." -autoexec
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
June 05 2012 23:07 GMT
#11
Blink hack lol. It just makes it tooooo obvious.
Soloturtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada333 Posts
June 05 2012 23:08 GMT
#12
This is just horrible.
I hope you all make him have his time "pleasant" and make him feel "welcome"
It's really bad for blizzard that they didn't make this public of who was to qualify through "ladder". Or else this information would've gotten leaked a long time before so they can change their decision.
Cool
defteH
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom134 Posts
June 05 2012 23:08 GMT
#13
While I know this is more than likely to cause an absolute shitstorm, having watched the Youtube videos at least there's explanation as to the accusation.
"Think outside the box, collapse the box and take a f***ing sharp knife to it"
Kevinshi3
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States148 Posts
June 05 2012 23:09 GMT
#14
And see that's how much work you should put into a thread before you try to destroy someone's career on false claims.
yo mamaship so fat it couldn't fit in the expansion
PrAeToR.FeNiX
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada361 Posts
June 05 2012 23:10 GMT
#15
blink hacking , trip paid by blizzard
i think ic ant stop laughin LOL!
En taro Adun!
All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
June 05 2012 23:10 GMT
#16
I hope he goes into this and just owns everyone so hard. That would just make my day. SC2 really is going main stream. Pro players use roids nerds hack. Shit Barry Bonds got popped for juicing when he shattered the home run record. Barry Bonds is still the fucking man.
It is what it is
huameng
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1133 Posts
June 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#17
The MLG site says he's not playing in the actual MLG tournament... why not? Personally I would be surprised if he actually showed up. Hackers usually don't.
skating
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
June 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#18
Ladies and gentlemen, grab your pitchforks!
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 05 2012 23:11 GMT
#19
Blink hack.... lol

Motherfucker needs to be shot.

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lulutheking
Profile Joined April 2012
France106 Posts
June 05 2012 23:12 GMT
#20
Come on guys, if he goes to WCS pls, beat the shit out of him, make him feel he is not welcome by the community. Let him be an example of what future cheaters deserve

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