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Yeah it seemed like they were cheating from an outside perspective?
Who could blame them though, Protech/Power had their vent on the stream, so we could all hear what their plan was the entire time. The other team didn't. At a few points, after they suspected the other team of cheating, they started calling out fake builds, or at least deviated heavily from what they said they were going to do, and you know what? It paid off.
Why did they 10p vs Z random on that huge map?
It was suspicious, but not proof. And the solution in the future is to simply not allow voice chat in the stream, that's incredibly stupid.
So to sum up;
Protech has no valid proof of cheating, just circumstantial evidence, which is strong.
Wizards has not even attempted to defend themselves. All of their arguments have been invalid, as have the white knighters.
1.Vitamin for example, a known and admitted hacker (not the person you want vouching for your "legitness")
2. Not pointing out a number of instances does not mean they are not stream cheaters
3. Saying they can't be cheating because it was too dumb to do that as casters were talking is also 100% invalid excuse. People make mistakes, even in Starcraft, even at a high level.
So, again, so far, no valid excuses for the actions, and no proof. Good times.
Also Mannerchomp sucks at this game. I carried him so badly last night and he's so immature and worthless that you'd rather he ragequit at the start when 2/3 times he doesn't pull his main race.
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On September 07 2011 07:52 RinconH wrote:
Looks to me that Protech doesn't want competition in the "featured" 2v2 streaming department and is putting together a conspiracy theory to undermine them.
The worst part is he even think that his "argumentation" is irrefutable... He only keeps saying the same idea in not so much diverse ways... Bring up proof of the WHOLE tournament as you state. Untill then, PLEASE TL get TeamWizards to "featured" so we have a little more choice when we feel like watching high level 2v2.  (Btw ProTech, even though I'm banned from your chat because ONCE my opinion didn't match yours, I'm still enjoying your high level 2v2. I guess my IQ isn't too low since I acknowledge your skills as a 2v2er =)
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Tray 1v1 right now? msg me mannerchomp 270. Show me how you carry me
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On September 07 2011 08:00 JustTray wrote:
Yeah it seemed like they were cheating from an outside perspective?
Who could blame them though, Protech/Power had their vent on the stream, so we could all hear what their plan was the entire time. The other team didn't. At a few points, after they suspected the other team of cheating, they started calling out fake builds, or at least deviated heavily from what they said they were going to do, and you know what? It paid off.
Why did they 10p vs Z random on that huge map?
It was suspicious, but not proof. And the solution in the future is to simply not allow voice chat in the stream, that's incredibly stupid.
So to sum up;
Protech has no valid proof of cheating, just circumstantial evidence, which is strong.
Wizards has not even attempted to defend themselves. All of their arguments have been invalid, as have the white knighters.
1.Vitamin for example, a known and admitted hacker (not the person you want vouching for your "legitness")
2. Not pointing out a number of instances does not mean they are not stream cheaters
3. Saying they can't be cheating because it was too dumb to do that as casters were talking is also 100% invalid excuse. People make mistakes, even in Starcraft, even at a high level.
So, again, so far, no valid excuses for the actions, and no proof. Good times.
Also Mannerchomp sucks at this game. I carried him so badly last night and he's so immature and worthless that you'd rather he ragequit at the start when 2/3 times he doesn't pull his main race.
TeamWizards are SPANISH dude. They write in english but hardly speak it. That explains the NO voice chat ranting of yours... I agree with you on the point that allowing the audience to hear the voice chat is not appropriate for a tournament involving money prize. This should be removed in the next PTSL imo.
Since when circumstancial evidences are "strong" ?? It's only a coincidence...
PLUS, IeZaeL is on a team (TeamWizards is a small EU team) at the moment, so if he cheats, he gets kicked out of the team. Not advantageous, right?
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On September 07 2011 08:00 JustTray wrote:
Yeah it seemed like they were cheating from an outside perspective?
Who could blame them though, Protech/Power had their vent on the stream, so we could all hear what their plan was the entire time. The other team didn't. At a few points, after they suspected the other team of cheating, they started calling out fake builds, or at least deviated heavily from what they said they were going to do, and you know what? It paid off.
Why did they 10p vs Z random on that huge map?
It was suspicious, but not proof. And the solution in the future is to simply not allow voice chat in the stream, that's incredibly stupid.
So to sum up;
Protech has no valid proof of cheating, just circumstantial evidence, which is strong.
Wizards has not even attempted to defend themselves. All of their arguments have been invalid, as have the white knighters.
1.Vitamin for example, a known and admitted hacker (not the person you want vouching for your "legitness")
2. Not pointing out a number of instances does not mean they are not stream cheaters
3. Saying they can't be cheating because it was too dumb to do that as casters were talking is also 100% invalid excuse. People make mistakes, even in Starcraft, even at a high level.
So, again, so far, no valid excuses for the actions, and no proof. Good times.
Also Mannerchomp sucks at this game. I carried him so badly last night and he's so immature and worthless that you'd rather he ragequit at the start when 2/3 times he doesn't pull his main race.
Known and admitted hacker? Lol... please do not make up random lies.
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On September 07 2011 08:00 JustTray wrote:
Yeah it seemed like they were cheating from an outside perspective?
Who could blame them though, Protech/Power had their vent on the stream, so we could all hear what their plan was the entire time. The other team didn't. At a few points, after they suspected the other team of cheating, they started calling out fake builds, or at least deviated heavily from what they said they were going to do, and you know what? It paid off.
Why did they 10p vs Z random on that huge map?
It was suspicious, but not proof. And the solution in the future is to simply not allow voice chat in the stream, that's incredibly stupid.
So to sum up;
Protech has no valid proof of cheating, just circumstantial evidence, which is strong.
Wizards has not even attempted to defend themselves. All of their arguments have been invalid, as have the white knighters.
1.Vitamin for example, a known and admitted hacker (not the person you want vouching for your "legitness")
2. Not pointing out a number of instances does not mean they are not stream cheaters
3. Saying they can't be cheating because it was too dumb to do that as casters were talking is also 100% invalid excuse. People make mistakes, even in Starcraft, even at a high level.
So, again, so far, no valid excuses for the actions, and no proof. Good times.
Also Mannerchomp sucks at this game. I carried him so badly last night and he's so immature and worthless that you'd rather he ragequit at the start when 2/3 times he doesn't pull his main race.
Looks like u didnt see IeZaeL games in the tournament, since he 10pooled almost everytime at non shared bases...
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On September 07 2011 08:00 JustTray wrote:
Yeah it seemed like they were cheating from an outside perspective?
Who could blame them though, Protech/Power had their vent on the stream, so we could all hear what their plan was the entire time. The other team didn't. At a few points, after they suspected the other team of cheating, they started calling out fake builds, or at least deviated heavily from what they said they were going to do, and you know what? It paid off.
Why did they 10p vs Z random on that huge map?
It was suspicious, but not proof. And the solution in the future is to simply not allow voice chat in the stream, that's incredibly stupid.
So to sum up;
Protech has no valid proof of cheating, just circumstantial evidence, which is strong.
Wizards has not even attempted to defend themselves. All of their arguments have been invalid, as have the white knighters.
1.Vitamin for example, a known and admitted hacker (not the person you want vouching for your "legitness")
2. Not pointing out a number of instances does not mean they are not stream cheaters
3. Saying they can't be cheating because it was too dumb to do that as casters were talking is also 100% invalid excuse. People make mistakes, even in Starcraft, even at a high level.
So, again, so far, no valid excuses for the actions, and no proof. Good times.
Also Mannerchomp sucks at this game. I carried him so badly last night and he's so immature and worthless that you'd rather he ragequit at the start when 2/3 times he doesn't pull his main race.
It's cute that you basically admit to having no evidence in your second point. The only claim that's been made is a highly dubious one about the lyote kill, and most of the people in this thread have rightly dismissed it by using common sense.
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Every time I play against protech he accuses me of stream cheating. So let it be known to anyone who ever deals with protech: he's a wiener.
Rather than accepting that he has flawed strategies, and then putting time into fixing them, the guy says "cheater! hacker!" etc. I would rather put the time into learning the game and perfecting my play. It's like a quote I heard once. " It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness. "
Take everything he says as if it wasn't said.
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On September 07 2011 12:39 Kyhol wrote:
Every time I play against protech he accuses me of stream cheating. So let it be known to anyone who ever deals with protech: he's a wiener.
Rather than accepting that he has flawed strategies, and then putting time into fixing them, the guy says "cheater! hacker!" etc. I would rather put the time into learning the game and perfecting my play. It's like a quote I heard once. " It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness. "
Take everything he says as if it wasn't said.
Hey Kyhol, he might have said that by mistake but I can assure you a good 50% of his losses are from a bunch of kids cheating him. I've been on his team when its happened. He even matches Deezer in 2s ladder now and they snipe him. They might even be map hackers. However me and him have been RT teammates and lost to TERRIBLE kids because they snipe him.
I'm actually not disagreeing with you, he does say it A LOT, but it does happen to him probably more then you think.
Also you and your friend are a very strong 2s team, however I think tech and his terran parter (destructive or something?) are much harder to beat then blink stalkers and mass banshees.
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On September 06 2011 13:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
I must have down syndrome.
Here's a scenario:
Lyote in the fucking way.
You kill it. It's the early game, so you don't have that much to do.
You assume the casters are watching, so you dance. They are probably not talking about really anything since the openings are rather generic and/or something relatively fast to explain.
I don't know if you're intentionally avoiding the other side of the argument or simply just being stubborn, but name another instance in that game where it was clear they were stream-cheating.
edit: LOLWOW
Are you kidding me, I just saw the stupid video. They're talking about the Lyote for a good 30 seconds at least. You've got to be kidding me.
Come on, just let it go. It's so petty and sad.
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Yo its obvious these scrubs are stream cheating...."They must be listening..." even the broadcasters pointed it out and these kids should be disqualified from the tourney and get none of the money. There is no way these kids killed the lyote to move it out of the way...they danced after they killed it....obvious...Just for one reason listening to the stream is not fair is if the other team randoms you listen to the cast and negate the effect of choosing random....which was obvious they knew what was going on cuz there games where there was no early game scouting. stream cheating is so weak....gtfo
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Why do the games have to be live?? They cant have a 5 min buffer on them?? Would seem to solve the problem, while keeping the games current as well. There is no way to "catch" a more blatant act then that right there IMO. there is no way to stop people from Stream cheating, and people morals arent what they use to be.
If no buffer why not just allow everyone to do since some are anyways?? Cheating is no OK in my book but allowing people to cheat is even WORSE!!! All those sticking up for these clowns are ridiculous and prob just trying to get a rise outta protech OR really just are that dense to put it nicely!!
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Just bc of the way you are acting you deserve to be unfeatured.
You have no 100% proof of anything, yet you keep ur bashing.
You should accept there are decent 2v2 teams out there, and try to fight them, not to attack them so you are the only featured 2v2 team.
I would rather have top 4/5 teams without yours than yours alone. It might be the best one, but ur bming it's just unacceptable.
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Cheating for ladder points is pretty low, but cheating for monetary gain in a tournament? That's a quick way to kill your reputation and gaming career. There should be an official review panel for exactly these sort of things, especially if you're going to stream the broadcast live. We have no VOIP of TW, which makes this whole business a lot more suspect than it would have had we heard them mention the lyote and not the casters. We also haven't heard any rebuttals from them, keeping up with the conveniently clandestine behavior. This isn't another ProTech witch hunt; this is robbery.
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On September 07 2011 20:04 USgreed wrote:
Yo its obvious these scrubs are stream cheating...."They must be listening..." even the broadcasters pointed it out and these kids should be disqualified from the tourney and get none of the money. There is no way these kids killed the lyote to move it out of the way...they danced after they killed it....obvious...Just for one reason listening to the stream is not fair is if the other team randoms you listen to the cast and negate the effect of choosing random....which was obvious they knew what was going on cuz there games where there was no early game scouting. stream cheating is so weak....gtfo
Troll detected
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On September 07 2011 20:30 UncleWalty wrote:
Cheating for ladder points is pretty low, but cheating for monetary gain in a tournament? That's a quick way to kill your reputation and gaming career. There should be an official review panel for exactly these sort of things, especially if you're going to stream the broadcast live. We have no VOIP of TW, which makes this whole business a lot more suspect than it would have had we heard them mention the lyote and not the casters. We also haven't heard any rebuttals from them, keeping up with the conveniently clandestine behavior. This isn't another ProTech witch hunt; this is robbery.
Haven't seen the "100% proof of cheating" yet, and please, don't insult people by saying dancing around proves it.
Protech team has many fans, and they deserve better manners from them towards other teams. I don't recall a team not being flamed and bmed by this guy.
I prefer to think there are more "clean" teams, and not only Protech team (according to him).
About the absence of VOIP, it wasn't compulsory and mb they are not fluent enough to do it.
If you want to remove the possibility of stream cheating, you cast replays. But if you do this kind of tournament (which I prefer, it was so much fun) then everything you say as a proof is not "100%". Random things happen, a ling that pokes at the exact time of an expansion, an attack just when some upgrade is finishing. All these things can be random or stream cheating, and by any means this is a 100% proof of cheating.
I still can't believe how someone can come to other team thread, flame them with no proof, and still this guy is featured and his blind fans defend them.
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So dancing around proves their innocence? 
I don't want to insult anyone. I'm saying this needs to be investigated further and not simply swept under the rug because it cannot be undeniably confirmed at this time. It's questionable and money is at stake, so it deserves a second look.
I want an e-sports where cheaters never prosper, and I feel that this hasn't ever been dealt with in the manner it should be: of utmost importance out of respect for the player base and e-sports in general.
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On September 07 2011 20:54 UncleWalty wrote:So dancing around proves their innocence? I don't want to insult anyone. I'm saying this needs to be investigated further and not simply swept under the rug because it cannot be undeniably confirmed at this time. It's questionable and money is at stake, so it deserves a second look. I want an e-sports where cheaters never prosper, and I feel that this hasn't ever been dealt with in the manner it should be: of utmost importance out of respect for the player base and e-sports in general.
Dancing is not a proof of anything, you need stronger evidence to make such statement or just shut up. And Protech didn't have it.
In my country, to put anyone into jail you need to prove him guilty, he doesn't have to prove innocence. Maybe in your country is different, I don't know.
If you want e-sports to grow, you have to remove also flammers.
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look at this,protech just made another account to have someone supporting him in his pathetics acusations (himself xDD)
Hihi ProTech,thanks for your rage! ♥
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