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On May 06 2011 09:57 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:46 ePrime wrote:On May 06 2011 09:39 deth wrote:On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it? What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game. Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives! When will you people realise that you have no proof that cruncher actually cheated? What do you need proof for? Also, do you realize that if he was cheating the only proof you could get was from him providing it himself? Intuition is enough to make a forum post about it it's not like IdrA asked battle.net to ban CrunCher for cheating. Wait what? People are calling for Cruncher to be banned for cheating, Idra flaming him in his classical...idra style. Of course you need proof if you're going to call for someone to be punished. That's just common sense.
I'm talking about IdrA getting banned. I'm not asking for CrunCher to be banned.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2011 09:51 Subllat wrote:
The sheer idiocy that I will likely get a ban from this is absurd, but I'm going to do it anyway.
I thought about making this thread, but didn't have a place to put it until now. I'm not going to discuss Chill's moderation, but instead, the team's moderation as a whole.
A quality forum is ESSENTIAL for the SC:BW and SC2 community. Truly, our forum's quality should match that of the events that we view, and the game that we play, the community we love, and the skills that those we watch have.
Further, it is OF COURSE the TL moderation team's job to keep the forum clean,organized, and not filled with trolls.
However, when the forum is being moderated in it's current fashion. well then it's not really able to serve its purpose as a forum at all is it?
Forum - A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged
A meeting or medium; alright we have that part down. Where views on a particular issue can be exchanged...Well..I'm not quite so sure about this one. When your chances of being banned are higher than of sharing your ideas, then I have a hard time feeling like I'm at a forum, and more like I'm waiting in line at a Nazi concentration camp to see if they'll feed me that day, or kick me out of line.
It's truly a shame, we see that the SC2 Reddit has 0 moderation, and yet thrives, with quality posts, good information ETC. The fact that in the strategy forum for a new player to just get a bit of help, means spending so much time trying to get help, evading bans, and framing their question in the exact rigid format to avoid being slammed hard as hell in the face with the ban hammer than actually getting help is sickening.
I would reach to the "power trip" point, but I feel the moderation team is mature enough to handle themselves better than that. It's just ludicrous to assume that in your attempts to help the forum, you aren't hurting it further, when you have 2 even 3 stickies on how to post!
Now, I'm not saying we have to get rid of strictness, believe me some of it is needed, I think that if the same level of rigidity is to be kept the amount of effort a poster has to put into a post should be matched by that of moderators. When a moderator closes a thread with "Read the guidelines", frankly, you sound like a fucking asshole. If even maybe a 2 to 3 line minimum reason would be ok, maybe a direct quote from the guidelines, I could be ok with it. Sure, the rules say "THIS IS OUR HOUSE", the exact opposite is true, this forum ISN'T for you moderators, it is for us, the posters, or else you moderators wouldn't be needed.
In closing, I have never seen a forum so strictly moderated in my life, and I have never seen quality suffer so severely from it, the worst part is, it could be fixed so easy. A community trying to grow does not need a constant muzzle, it doesn't need a stun gun every time it gets a bit out of line. I'll probably be banned for this as I said, but I hope some of you recognize what I'm saying.
User was temp banned for this post.
Back to Idra: I'm just saddened that he got himself banned during his special gift from SOTG commentating week. All fans need to go to his twitter and keep a sharp eye out. Be particularly careful because twitter commonly has posts that show as current but were posted hours, if not days, ago. D:
Besides this drama occurring, I'm learning quite a bit about my matchups against Z as he points out what is bad and what is not. ^^
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Eagerly awaiting the next time IdrA gets to stream. Was really entertaining today.
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Come for the high level zerg play, stay for the soap opera.
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On May 06 2011 09:36 Parabol732 wrote:And to think it all started with a 
well, ok, but that's not what it started with 
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On May 06 2011 10:03 BombaySensei wrote:well, ok, but that's not what it started with
Then what did it start with?
A colossus/void ray death ball? A 6 gate?
I must know!
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On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it? What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game. Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives!
The Blizzard Ladder and JustinTV are not under the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid. Cruncher didn't say anything in his post to get banned, unless there was something nasty before it was edited, of which I am unaware.
It cannot be proved that Cruncher cheated by listening/watching to Idra's stream. There is obviously evidence that would support that accusation, but nothing concrete. He provided in the aforementioned post of his some sound reasoning for expecting an all-in. Idra also provided similar reasoning when he said [I'm just gonna all-in since his Nexus is up before my hatchery]. If that's such a logical decision for Idra, it's equally logical for Cruncher to expect it. Add the precedent set recently by aggressive zergs such as Losira and Idra himself.
People arguing that Idra's "waste of life" comment was somehow directed at the fans to "not waste their life/time paying attention to Cruncher" are in some alternate universe where Idra doesn't hate Cruncher. It became clear during the stream between the silence, even faster click spamming, and the remarks Idra eventually made, that he really wanted to beat Cruncher and despises him. Besides that's the Idra we know and hate/love, right? Not some "protector of the people" nonsense.
As someone else said recently, this won't hurt Idra. All of the attention he receives and the last 10 pages of this thread exploding into some massive whine/ban fest, not least the fact that Idra had 15k viewers while another fan favorite, TLO, had 2.5k viewers last I checked, all point towards success.
And no, it isn't just because he's a great player. Does Select cause this much controversy? How about Kas, Nada, Boxer even? Nope, their fan club threads aren't 400 pages. MC and HuK do make a little splash though and have relatively long fan club threads. I listed both of those players so perhaps avoid your knee-jerk reaction that "huk sucks" unless you're prepared to say "MC sucks" too. Also, Mvp's thread is like 10 pages, let's go tell him how cute his face is when playing <3
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I am a huge IdrA fanboy but, come on man...way to show the ban didn't get to you.
Also: Who cares if he stream cheated? He lost a few points? big whoop.
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Cruncher... just stream snipe via TL's embed next time buddy, you don't actually be logged into Jtv. This is internet 101 stuff!
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On May 06 2011 09:55 bobbob wrote:
..... What irritates me about IdrA is that he is essentially saying to spam Chill to reverse his ban, when it's pretty obvious that IdrA did something wrong (insulting). This definitely makes me lose respect for idra.....
You know it was a joke, right?
trollish joke
like here:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qnFtp.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6ykTS.jpg)
or here:
Dont take everything seriously and lighten up
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On May 06 2011 09:36 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:35 DreamSailor wrote:On May 06 2011 09:33 turdburgler wrote:On May 06 2011 09:32 DreamSailor wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. Adults don't call each other retards either. what adults do you know? they dont sound like the adults i know I know lots of adults, I am recognized as the government as one myself no less. When you're a mod, you should act like a moderator, and not have ridiculous double standards for your community, and your mod team. I wouldn't doubt I get banned for my previous post, or this one for that matter. And you seriously haven't learned in 460 posts that saying "I'll probably get banned for this" will result in a GUARANTEED ban? You proved nothing and just fucked yourself.
You didn't get banned so I dont think its a GUARANTEED ban.
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On May 06 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:03 BombaySensei wrote:On May 06 2011 09:36 Parabol732 wrote:And to think it all started with a well, ok, but that's not what it started with Then what did it start with? A colossus/void ray death ball? A 6 gate? I must know!
"I'm approaching the match as if it were a walkover... he's going to 4 gate all-in both games unless he decides to be clever and make voidrays or DTs."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204838
IMO
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I really enjoy Idra's stream especially now that he is commentating.
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I'm a Super IdrA fanboy as well, Cruncher and IdrA are both professionals IdrA has the right to be angry another pro cheated while playing him thats just wrong, you know how can he get in trouble for that. "a waste of life" and now our watching of IdrA's commentary just got messed of because of this im so sadd. thanks...='/
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Guys, I don't think we should be discussing how fucking retarded mods are and how they probably are idiotic 12 year old kids with power delusions when there is something more serious going on here: that red text below that appears everyn... oh god! There it is! ARGH! Is it the end? Oh no, the humaanity!
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 06 2011 10:05 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:35 haylmfao wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. So cheating in ladder is okay? It's just a computer game after all isn't it? What about cheating in a tournament? Still a computer game. Hell, playing computer games is ABSOLUTELY not something an adult does, why does this site even exist? We should all quit SC2 and go do something useful with our lives! The Blizzard Ladder and JustinTV are not under the jurisdiction of TeamLiquid. Cruncher didn't say anything in his post to get banned, unless there was something nasty before it was edited, of which I am unaware. It cannot be proved that Cruncher cheated by listening/watching to Idra's stream. There is obviously evidence that would support that accusation, but nothing concrete. He provided in the aforementioned post of his some sound reasoning for expecting an all-in. Idra also provided similar reasoning when he said [I'm just gonna all-in since his Nexus is up before my hatchery]. If that's such a logical decision for Idra, it's equally logical for Cruncher to expect it. Add the precedent set recently by aggressive zergs such as Losira and Idra himself. People arguing that Idra's "waste of life" comment was somehow directed at the fans to "not waste their life/time paying attention to Cruncher" are in some alternate universe where Idra doesn't hate Cruncher. It became clear during the stream between the silence, even faster click spamming, and the remarks Idra eventually made, that he really wanted to beat Cruncher and despises him. Besides that's the Idra we know and hate/love, right? Not some "protector of the people" nonsense. As someone else said recently, this won't hurt Idra. All of the attention he receives and the last 10 pages of this thread exploding into some massive whine/ban fest, not least the fact that Idra had 15k viewers while another fan favorite, TLO, had 2.5k viewers last I checked, all point towards success. And no, it isn't just because he's a great player. Does Select cause this much controversy? How about Kas, Nada, Boxer even? Nope, their fan club threads aren't 400 pages. MC and HuK do make a little splash though and have relatively long fan club threads. I listed both of those players so perhaps avoid your knee-jerk reaction that "huk sucks" unless you're prepared to say "MC sucks" too. Also, Mvp's thread is like 10 pages, let's go tell him how cute his face is when playing <3 I think the point haylmfao was making is that putting down Starcraft as though its some child's computer game on a website dedicated to all things Starcraft is just hypocritical and silly, especially when it's moderator of that site doing it. Starcraft 2, at this point, is not "just a computer game." It's a career and an event. It has stars, underdogs, and tens of thousands of dedicated fans. To Idra, this is not a computer game. It's something that he has dedicated years of his life to. When Cruncher, who has openly insulted him in past, begins (potentially) cheating on his stream, of course he is going to backlash.
I won't make any statement about whether Cruncher really did cheat or if Idra deserved to be banned. What I will say is that putting down Starcraft as nothing more than a computer game on the premier site for that very game is pretty ridiculous.
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On May 06 2011 10:09 BombaySensei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 10:04 stevarius wrote:On May 06 2011 10:03 BombaySensei wrote:On May 06 2011 09:36 Parabol732 wrote:And to think it all started with a well, ok, but that's not what it started with Then what did it start with? A colossus/void ray death ball? A 6 gate? I must know! "I'm approaching the match as if it were a walkover... he's going to 4 gate all-in both games unless he decides to be clever and make voidrays or DTs." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204838IMO
Rofl. Now it all comes back to mind.
It's been a while, but now I remember.... my butt is still hurt over that series. 
But.... Idra plays better than he did that series now.
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On twitter @idrajit: You Should remind chill that Tyler said TL is a place for people to say what they want!
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On May 06 2011 10:08 Blardy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:36 Romance_us wrote:On May 06 2011 09:35 DreamSailor wrote:On May 06 2011 09:33 turdburgler wrote:On May 06 2011 09:32 DreamSailor wrote:On May 06 2011 09:31 H wrote:On May 06 2011 09:24 Sushbag wrote:
What's the connection between a ban on these forums and then refusing to stream? Clearly it's posturing, but if Idra really cared about the front page exposure he gets on TL he probably wouldn't risk posting at all; this isn't an environment where you can actually say what you want like an adult. It's not like State of the Game. TL can run their site however they want but since they run it like they do, why does anyone care about this forum? Calling someone a waste of life over a computer game is not something an adult does. I'm sorry you think it is. Adults don't call each other retards either. what adults do you know? they dont sound like the adults i know I know lots of adults, I am recognized as the government as one myself no less. When you're a mod, you should act like a moderator, and not have ridiculous double standards for your community, and your mod team. I wouldn't doubt I get banned for my previous post, or this one for that matter. And you seriously haven't learned in 460 posts that saying "I'll probably get banned for this" will result in a GUARANTEED ban? You proved nothing and just fucked yourself. You didn't get banned so I dont think its a GUARANTEED ban.
I used quotation marks. Meaning that I wasn't the one saying it, but rather somebody else. What was the point of this post? -_-
For clarification because you lack reading comprehension, martyring yourself will result in a ban. It has been said and shown to be true a thousand times over on this forum.
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