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sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
May 06 2011 17:40 GMT
#1981
Wait, what's stopping him from streaming? It just won't be featured on TL, right?
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
ArcticVanguard
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
May 06 2011 17:42 GMT
#1982
My understanding is that he just chose to not stream for the duration of his ban.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~C.S. Lewis
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 06 2011 17:42 GMT
#1983
On May 07 2011 02:40 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Wait, what's stopping him from streaming? It just won't be featured on TL, right?

If you're banned you cant cut your stream on, and i imagine he wants more people to see it on TL(since not all of them have fb twitter etc)
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 18:16:50
May 06 2011 17:43 GMT
#1984
On May 07 2011 02:34 Osmoses wrote:
I do love drama. Wish I hadn't missed the game though :/

http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/285221418

Around 30~ minutes in. I just watched it and it's really not bad at all. People are overreacting purely on IdrA's comments rather than what actually went on.

Cruncher's wall is weird, but it's basically a double gateway forge wall for Tal'darim with a Cyc further back, which is what some P FE's with vs Zerg. How the Gateway timing can be considered "fishy" is beyond me, since Cruncher delayed IdrA's hatchery and knows IdrA needs early damage to catch up. Given it was Cruncher, he was probably pooling gas for a Stargate, rather than blinding countering a Roach/Ling all in.

IdrA says, "two Gateways before.. (Cybernetics Core) he's definitely watching." Now go watch Forge FE games from other top Protoss on Tal'darim. In just two minutes I've found VODs of White_ra and others doing the same thing (albeit with a better wall.)

Then again, a very, very, very good Protoss expert did tell me it's suspicious. :x We really would need a replay or Cruncher's VOD to help.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
May 06 2011 17:43 GMT
#1985
On May 07 2011 02:40 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Wait, what's stopping him from streaming? It just won't be featured on TL, right?

He streamed when he was 30-day banned from TL before. He's choosing not to stream out of spite.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
May 06 2011 17:45 GMT
#1986
On May 07 2011 02:40 Leavzou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 02:27 Jibba wrote:
On May 07 2011 01:53 blackone wrote:
On May 07 2011 01:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
How do people jump directly from "I had his stream open so I could see when he queued, since I wanted to play against him" to "he's a fucking cheater rable rable rable rable rable rable".

He was using his main justin.tv account, so people could see he was in idra's stream not only while he was trying to snipe him, but also during the whole game, and left a few minutes after the game ended.
@the guy above me: I have no idea what you're asking. Please don't quote half a sentence, especially if it is in quotation marks.

And he said he had the sound muted the entire time, and the only screenshot of the incident shows him watching IdrA's stream after the game with his sound muted. You may respond:
1. What if he muted it right after?
There's no proof of that. Cruncher usually pulls in anywhere from a couple hundred viewers to a thousand, and no one heard anything.
2. What if he has a second monitor to watch the games?
There's no proof of that either. What if there really was a shooter on the grassy knoll?
3. Why was his play so weird?
I don't know, but neither do you. All you have to go on is 1 VOD from IdrA. Not the replay to see what Cruncher actually did or his actual timings, and you don't know what builds they've done the past 20 times they've met. If you've competitively gamed for any amount of time, whether it's CS, Q3 or BW/SC2, you should know that "they did something fishy/they did something they shouldn't have" isn't enough to throw the book at someone. It would be so much easier to tell if there were a replay so you could look at the clock for the Roach Warren/Gateway/Cannon timings.

If this were 12 Angry Nerds, you guys would've convicted the spanish kid right off the bat and gone home.


So, if a murderer give you a non-valid proof (because his proof prove nothing), and much more things half-prove the opposite, you still defend the murderer ?

What? Half-prove? What the fuck is that? You can't take action against someone based on half proof lol.
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Lach_mc
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 17:54:58
May 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#1987
i find it incredibly interesting that he was even temp banned at all. if you just wanted him to know his verbose flaming of cruncher wasn't going unchecked a warning surely would have been sufficient. to temp ban him is essentially redundant. All this drama has been caused for the purpose of keeping him off TL for 2 days.. kinda childish by both parties IMMMMO

EDIT: but i digress.
Idra come back we still love you. temp ban or no

User was temp banned for this post.
sc2 balance... a lost cause?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 06 2011 17:48 GMT
#1988
One day Jibba, I will earn your hand in civil union.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Heaton31
Profile Joined October 2010
United States323 Posts
May 06 2011 17:52 GMT
#1989
Being a moderator myself on a bunch of other boards I know commenting on moderation is a no-no. With that said, I'd think someone actually playing the games opposed to someone just watching games would have better insight to what is happening.

It's harder for IdrA since he's in a 'feud' with Cruncher, but I think he's more apt to say he was just lucky than a cheater/hacker.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 17:55:09
May 06 2011 17:52 GMT
#1990
Edit - Not taking the bait.
mireath
Profile Joined May 2011
30 Posts
May 06 2011 17:55 GMT
#1991
This whole thing could be resolved if Cruncher released the justin.tv recordings of his session. Obviously, had this been a court of law, it's the prosecution that has to bring proof of guilt, not the defense proving innocence, but it would at least get this whole s**tstorm quelled
tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
May 06 2011 17:57 GMT
#1992
On May 07 2011 02:48 Lach_mc wrote:
EDIT: but i digress.
Idra come back we still love you. temp ban or no


LMAO@that
Always a Gamer
Tyrr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States216 Posts
May 06 2011 18:06 GMT
#1993
The more Idra gets banned the more I like the guy. I love having somebody who just honestly does not give a fuck what people think of him; it's great entertainment.
im bad
Ryrmidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada371 Posts
May 06 2011 18:08 GMT
#1994
On May 07 2011 02:43 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 02:34 Osmoses wrote:
I do love drama. Wish I hadn't missed the game though :/

http://www.justin.tv/eg_idra/b/285221418

Around 30~ minutes in. I just watched it and it's really not bad at all. People are overreacting purely on IdrA's comments rather than what actually went on.

Cruncher's wall is weird, but it's basically a standard double gateway forge wall for Tal'darim with a Cyc further back, which is what every P FE's with vs Zerg. How the Gateway timing can be considered "fishy" is beyond me, since Cruncher delayed IdrA's hatchery and knows IdrA needs early damage to catch up. It's there to block lings more than roaches, and if he really wanted to counter IdrA's roaches, he wouldn't have chronoboosted 2 zealots. Given it was Cruncher, he was probably pooling gas for a Stargate, rather than blinding countering a Roach/Ling all in.

IdrA says, "two Gateways before.. (Cybernetics Core) he's definitely watching." Now go watch Forge FE games from any top Protoss on Tal'darim. In just two minutes I've found VODs of Socke and White_ra doing the same thing (albeit with a better wall.) Forge, Gateway, Cannon, Gateway, CyC.


Idra had no idea if Cruncher was stream sniping or not but his name was on the chatroom during the game and left after the game so thats how every1 knew he was stream checking
"He can't beat me in a real game" IdrA
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 18:11:40
May 06 2011 18:09 GMT
#1995
On May 07 2011 03:06 Tyrr wrote:
The more Idra gets banned the more I like the guy. I love having somebody who just honestly does not give a fuck what people think of him; it's great entertainment.


That's why he is such an amazing gaming personality. Never afraid to speak his mind despite the possibility of repercussions.

For the record, cruncher did stream snipe him to get into the game, but it is unknown to us if he actually watched the stream. Unfortunately, only about a handful of people even were on Cruncher's stream when they played because he was unlisted on TL.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TrainFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States469 Posts
May 06 2011 18:12 GMT
#1996
On May 07 2011 02:45 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2011 02:40 Leavzou wrote:
On May 07 2011 02:27 Jibba wrote:
On May 07 2011 01:53 blackone wrote:
On May 07 2011 01:48 N3rV[Green] wrote:
How do people jump directly from "I had his stream open so I could see when he queued, since I wanted to play against him" to "he's a fucking cheater rable rable rable rable rable rable".

He was using his main justin.tv account, so people could see he was in idra's stream not only while he was trying to snipe him, but also during the whole game, and left a few minutes after the game ended.
@the guy above me: I have no idea what you're asking. Please don't quote half a sentence, especially if it is in quotation marks.

And he said he had the sound muted the entire time, and the only screenshot of the incident shows him watching IdrA's stream after the game with his sound muted. You may respond:
1. What if he muted it right after?
There's no proof of that. Cruncher usually pulls in anywhere from a couple hundred viewers to a thousand, and no one heard anything.
2. What if he has a second monitor to watch the games?
There's no proof of that either. What if there really was a shooter on the grassy knoll?
3. Why was his play so weird?
I don't know, but neither do you. All you have to go on is 1 VOD from IdrA. Not the replay to see what Cruncher actually did or his actual timings, and you don't know what builds they've done the past 20 times they've met. If you've competitively gamed for any amount of time, whether it's CS, Q3 or BW/SC2, you should know that "they did something fishy/they did something they shouldn't have" isn't enough to throw the book at someone. It would be so much easier to tell if there were a replay so you could look at the clock for the Roach Warren/Gateway/Cannon timings.

If this were 12 Angry Nerds, you guys would've convicted the spanish kid right off the bat and gone home.


So, if a murderer give you a non-valid proof (because his proof prove nothing), and much more things half-prove the opposite, you still defend the murderer ?

What? Half-prove? What the fuck is that? You can't take action against someone based on half proof lol.


well you can based on 50.1%, it's called perponderence of the evidence. We all know the evidence is there, so get perpondering lol
Trawler
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden382 Posts
May 06 2011 18:13 GMT
#1997
So yeah, no more IdrA commentary then? I gues hes goin to be banned for some time?

Can someone please clarify for me, WHY idra is banned? Because he said "Yeah hes deff watching my stream"? Or am I missing something, seems kinda silly :s
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 06 2011 18:15 GMT
#1998
On May 07 2011 03:13 Trawler wrote:
So yeah, no more IdrA commentary then? I gues hes goin to be banned for some time?

Can someone please clarify for me, WHY idra is banned? Because he said "Yeah hes deff watching my stream"? Or am I missing something, seems kinda silly :s


For insulting Cruncher in his own stream thread/fan page thread. I think it was the first one. Yeah... lmao.

We all think it's kind of silly, but our opinion is irrelevant. We don't really know if he's going to continue his commentary after the ban. If he doesn't, then we're going to all be rather pissed off because we achieved 20k viewers in order to get this.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-06 18:16:28
May 06 2011 18:15 GMT
#1999
Always a Gamer
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
May 06 2011 18:18 GMT
#2000
On May 07 2011 02:20 Chill wrote:
If Cruncher is caught cheating, I will obviously reverse all the action and apologize.

Also, here are all my original comments in the staff forum from when Cruncher posted his comment about "sniping":

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:25 Chill wrote:
100% remove.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=205926&currentpage=16#301

"sniped" = watching someone's stream while playing them. Recommend disabling his stream and closing his fan club.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:27 Chill wrote:
I sent him a PM asking him to confirm. I doubt he would admit it but let's wait and see.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:27 Chill wrote:
If he confirms, there's no discussion necessary.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 07:30 Chill wrote:
Original Message From CrunCher:
sniping=waiting till he searches to search

http://puu.sh/1Tpw

as you can see the sound is muted and the guy ss'd my stream(live)

Business as usual. Recommend no action and warning people flaming his fanclub.




Hey Chill, I do understand your actions, I just disagree with then.

The way I read that Idra post is that he was trying to quell his fans, saying the ladder didn't matter, the "compliment" to Cruncher was just Idra being Idra, and one of the more "tame" posts by Idra. I do think that if Idra wasn't banned this discussion would never have happened in the first place and I don't see how many people would have complained if Idra was not banned for that post.

But whatever, it IS TL forum and you have the right to do it. And, again, I can understand why you did it.

No further posts on this topic necessary, I think. I just wished to post as I saw you were reading this and I wanted to tell you my opinion, as worthless as it may be.
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