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On January 02 2012 18:39 Powermovez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:36 Mindor wrote:On January 02 2012 18:29 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:18 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:16 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:14 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:10 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:06 Hyore wrote:
He said he didn't want to. Peer presure goes a long ways. Saying you don't want to do something and then caving to pressure is worse than just doing it in my mind. Why would you do something that you don't want to do. Shit man, shit happens. Take your moral shittery off somewhere else. Wtf. A guy who didn't want to get drunk got drunk. A guy that doesn't drink a lot got drunk. A guy who should have known better, now knows better. Get over it ffs. Are you saying people who do things while drunk shouldn't be held accountable? Oh get over yourself, thats not what I am saying at all. Just go and make some mistakes in life, and then you will realise nothing Destiny has done is all that bad. Fuck is everyone on Team Liquid a 15 year old that has never done anything stupid? If so then wow, fuck this. Just why do you think it's wrong to get held accountable for doing something stupid? Okay let's say as a hypotetical example that a person did drugs as a minor and had to go to jail, well they still had to go to jail didn't they? They still got scolded didn't they? They still had to stand up to the consequences didn't they? On January 02 2012 18:17 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:11 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:07 Excomm wrote:On January 02 2012 17:45 Shikyo wrote:
Have you heard of shy girls? Some have problems speaking up if you do something like that. Or about other things, as well.
"Is it all right to you if I touch you in this way?" Ask this before doing that, and don't do anything without a "yes". Not that difficult. Did you even know that just TRYING it to see their reaction is sexual assault? Honestly you guys disgust me I just don't agree. People don't ask permission for sex and sign documents of consent. Many girls would laugh you out of the bedroom if you said, "is it okay if I grab your boobs?" It sucks if a girl is shy and gets put in an awkward spot because she doesn't know how to deal with someone's sexual advances, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that scenario doesn't apply to what happened here. Hey hey here I thought she was there as a guest and not as a pick-up from some bar O_O My entire point is about RESPECT. In that kind of a situation you shouldn't even think about doing anything sexual. Why shouldn't you? Thinking about sex is pretty normal lol. It's called respect. ... God. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Jeez Mr uptight Virgin.... Destiny did nothing that should get him into trouble. What he did is only shocking to 14 year old virgins and the Amish. Mia Rose could have snapped his arms off if she wanted to, they are like twiglets. You 14 year olds are just getting your boners in a twist at nothing. Anyone who is over 20 years old has done worse than this. Get over it seriously ffs. Edit: Fuck, I've bitten these trolls bait so hard, prob going to be banned now. FFS Destiny <3 Screw the uptight community we are breeding here. I thought you guys had died out in the 80s. Anyone who has a set of morals that includes respecting women is a virgin and 14 years old. K. Respecting them and treating them like idiots is not the same thing. I think Mia was amused if anything that Destiny won't remember all the boobie-grabbing tomorrow. (I'm not trying to belittle actual sexual assault, but if every girl considered what went down there that, I could charge 5 different guys with harrassement just for New Year's eve.) Just because it isn't overwhelmingly considered "sexual assault" by law doesn't make it okay at all. Sexual assault happens in many different instances that are often times ignored or belittled because of the phrase "boys will be boys".
I see that the other way around. Because things as harmless as what went down on the stream could be considered harrassement by law, it takes from the seriousness of real assault. I agree that it's difficult to draw a clear line, but I'd rather see women that really are traumatized by what happened to them get justice than attention whores suing for money for getting felt up winning their cases and thereby ridiculing the real victims.
That's just my general opinion, neither of these cases appliable to Mia in any way since I'm fairly sure I'm making this a bigger deal than her...
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On January 02 2012 18:54 Shikyo wrote:
Well either way it's derailed quite a bit, originally my point was just about the respect for a guest(an important guest, in my opinion, I'd call her a celebrity)
Just because she's a celebrity doesn't mean she's more important or should be treated more respectfully or differently than other guests. Quite the double-standard for someone who claims to be oh so respectful.
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On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 18:48 Rbd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:45 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:41 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:39 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:36 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:31 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:30 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:
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That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent. You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story. So if I go up to a complete stranger and grab her, and THEN she pushes me away... did I do something wrong? Mia isn't a complete stranger, derp. Right, but I'm asking you to tell me when the shift happens. When does it turn from being "Not okay, because it's a complete stranger," to "I know her, so I thought I would try it?" I'm not saying what Destiny did with Mia was sexual harassment, I don't believe it was.. that being said, I do believe that there are cases where a girl is unable, for some reason, to say no, or resist, and it can still be harassment. There is a lot of abuse that comes from people not being able to say no to people. It's a social thing, more than anything. If you know the girl and have the feeling she might be ok with it, you could try it, it's hard to tell sure, but it's not the same situation (stranger/friend). And Mia gave consent because she let it happen, so I don't see the problem anyway. I just have problems with the "Giving consent by letting it happen." I think that's an extremely dangerous way of thinking, but, that's getting into a lot more than Destiny's stream, so I'll leave it at that. But that's how things work in the real world. You don't ask a girl "is it ok if I touch your boobs?", "is it ok for me to give you a hug?", "can I kiss you?"... no.... you just try it, if she rejects you then fine, where's the problem? If she doesn't, then well you should assume that she is ok with it, because any logical thinking human being would just tell you if they are not. Asking for permission, at least in our society, would be perceived as awkward and probably ruin everything. That is actually the social norm, try and get to know a girl, you will realize that it's not an easy step and incredibly hard to judge for yourself if she will be ok with it or not, but you have to try to find out, asking - in today's society - is not an option. Would it be better? Yes. But it's simply not the social norm and if you ever want to have sex with a girl, asking will make you seem pathetic more than anything. In our societies laws it is also illegal. If you do it to a girl you know and it turns out she is ok with it or at the least not offended and tells you to stop you are ok, but that relies on trust for the other person to not flip out on you. By definition of the law, if you even shake someone's hand without their consent, and not saying "no" is not consent, you are in a situation that can get you into trouble. By our societies laws, the "Giving consent by letting it happen" is not at all relevant. shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man edit: And if someone shakes your hand it actually means they are giving consent, because... you know... they are shaking your fucking hand.
Please do not speak out of ignorance. US law is not the only form of judicial governance in the world. Also, yes, you can get in trouble for shaking someone's hand without consent... If you want to get petty, you can get in trouble for spitting on someone's lawn without consent, so convincing a judge/jury (especially in some lolz countries) that an injurious non-consented handshake requires reparations is not too difficult.
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On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands.
It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture...
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On January 02 2012 18:56 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:54 Shikyo wrote:
Well either way it's derailed quite a bit, originally my point was just about the respect for a guest(an important guest, in my opinion, I'd call her a celebrity) Just because she's a celebrity doesn't mean she's more important or should be treated more respectfully or differently than other guests. Quite the double-standard for someone who claims to be oh so respectful.
I didn't ever say he should treat any guest badly ._______. (this putting-words-in-my-mouth-judging stuff is pretty annoying)
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On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture...
Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts.
Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think?
On January 02 2012 18:58 Shikyo wrote:
I didn't ever say he should treat any guest badly ._______. (this putting-words-in-my-mouth-judging stuff is pretty annoying)
I didn't ever say that you said you should treat any guest badly .______. (this putting-word-in-my-mouth-judging stuff is pretty annoying)
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On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think?
Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact.
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On January 02 2012 18:54 Shikyo wrote:
Well either way it's derailed quite a bit, originally my point was just about the respect for a guest(an important guest, in my opinion, I'd call her a celebrity)
She did not go to that house expecting respect, believe me. She knows what type of crowd watches her stream. She also knows what type of crowd watches Destiny's stream. She knows what type of person Destiny is. By her actions, she essentially said "Yes, I acknowledge that I am being objectified. Yes, I acknowledge that this person who I allowed to get physically intimate to a certain degree with me in front of a live audience of 9000 people is stone cold drunk. Yes, I acknowledge that this will be immortalized on the internet".
And yet she did it anyway.
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On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think?
Well, this is an extremely stupid analogy, but you could by force shake someones hand... Idk... I have been reading through a bit of this, and you keep saying weird things. You said it your self "Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it"
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On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact.
But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists?
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On January 02 2012 18:54 Shikyo wrote:
Well either way it's derailed quite a bit, originally my point was just about the respect for a guest(an important guest, in my opinion, I'd call her a celebrity)
Wait, wait, wait, are we calling porn actresses celebrities now?
Wow, what has the world come to?
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On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists?
By your definitions, offering it is basically "take her clothes off* and stick it in, if she says no its bad, if she doesnt its ok"
edit2: whatever this isnt going anywhere but its making me sad
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On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists?
Right... if you offer it to someone, and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's rape.
If you offer a handshake to someone and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's assault.
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On January 02 2012 19:03 Interloper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Well, this is an extremely stupid analogy, but you could by force shake someones hand... Idk... I have been reading through a bit of this, and you keep saying weird things. You said it your self "Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it"
It's not even an analogy I came up with, smartypants.
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On January 02 2012 19:04 Rush042 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists? Right... if you offer it to someone, and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's rape. If you offer a handshake to someone and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's assault.
Right, that's exactly what I was saying all along. Mia didn't say no, so there was no reason for Steven to stop. There it is, even by your definition, not sexual assault. It can't be.
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On January 02 2012 19:06 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:04 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists? Right... if you offer it to someone, and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's rape. If you offer a handshake to someone and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's assault. Right, that's exactly what I was saying all along. Mia didn't say no, so there was no reason for Steven to stop. There it is, even by your definition, not sexual assault. It can't be.
she said 'no touching'. so she said no?!?
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On January 02 2012 19:05 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:03 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Well, this is an extremely stupid analogy, but you could by force shake someones hand... Idk... I have been reading through a bit of this, and you keep saying weird things. You said it your self "Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it" It's not even an analogy I came up with, smartypants.
Ok, i don't think you understood what i said. Because i can't understand what you are trying to tell me with that sentence.
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On January 02 2012 19:03 Interloper wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Well, this is an extremely stupid analogy, but you could by force shake someones hand... Idk... I have been reading through a bit of this, and you keep saying weird things. You said it your self "Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it"
No, he is correct in saying handshakes usually begin with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. An unusual handshake may possibly occur after me and a friend make up a wait for it...+ Show Spoiler + This handshake may consist of taking a shoe off, tossing it in the sky and giving the next person a reacharound before grabbing their hand and shaking it, or any other nonsensical progression the participants will it to consist of.
Additionally, she did say "no touching" weak-heartedly a few times, but she also did acknowledge that he was inebriated and thus incapable of following her timid commands, and she also sat in his lap after she said no touching. Basically, whenever she got too annoyed, she told him to stop, and then she allowed him to continue after he had calmed down.
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On January 02 2012 19:06 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:04 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists? Right... if you offer it to someone, and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's rape. If you offer a handshake to someone and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's assault. Right, that's exactly what I was saying all along. Mia didn't say no, so there was no reason for Steven to stop. There it is, even by your definition, not sexual assault. It can't be.
All contact after someone clearly states no is assault. This does not mean that all contact before someone clearly states no is fair game.
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On January 02 2012 19:08 CEPEHDREI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:06 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:04 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:03 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:02 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 19:00 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:57 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 18:51 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:50 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:On January 02 2012 18:49 doko100 wrote:
shaking someone's hand can not get you into trouble wtf man
Nah, US legal system is uptight enough that it could No it really couldn't. It takes two people to shake hands. It takes 2 people too have sex as well. Wonder where rape enters the picture... Yes, because raping someone and shaking someone's hands are completely similar acts. Raping someone means you have sex with them by violently forcing them to. Whereas shaking hands usually begins with one person offering a handshake and the other person either accepting or rejecting it. Quite different, dont you think? Not so much. Sex usually begins with one person offering it, and the other person accepting or rejecting it. USUALLY. It can be forced on someone, just like a handshake can be, and both can be unwanted contact. But if you offer it to someone it's not rape. Or are you saying that whenever someone offers you sex they are automatically rapists? Right... if you offer it to someone, and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's rape. If you offer a handshake to someone and they say no, you stop. If you continue anyways, that's assault. Right, that's exactly what I was saying all along. Mia didn't say no, so there was no reason for Steven to stop. There it is, even by your definition, not sexual assault. It can't be. she said 'no touching'. so she said no?!?
Which makes alot of sense in the context that she proceeded to sit on his lap after he asked her to. So she said 'no touching' but then proceeded to touch him herself, that makes sense, hooray.
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