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On January 02 2012 18:21 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:18 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:16 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:14 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:10 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:06 Hyore wrote:
He said he didn't want to. Peer presure goes a long ways. Saying you don't want to do something and then caving to pressure is worse than just doing it in my mind. Why would you do something that you don't want to do. Shit man, shit happens. Take your moral shittery off somewhere else. Wtf. A guy who didn't want to get drunk got drunk. A guy that doesn't drink a lot got drunk. A guy who should have known better, now knows better. Get over it ffs. Are you saying people who do things while drunk shouldn't be held accountable? Oh get over yourself, thats not what I am saying at all. Just go and make some mistakes in life, and then you will realise nothing Destiny has done is all that bad. Fuck is everyone on Team Liquid a 15 year old that has never done anything stupid? If so then wow, fuck this. Just why do you think it's wrong to get held accountable for doing something stupid? Okay let's say as a hypotetical example that a person did drugs as a minor and had to go to jail, well they still had to go to jail didn't they? They still got scolded didn't they? They still had to stand up to the consequences didn't they? On January 02 2012 18:17 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:11 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:07 Excomm wrote:On January 02 2012 17:45 Shikyo wrote:
Have you heard of shy girls? Some have problems speaking up if you do something like that. Or about other things, as well.
"Is it all right to you if I touch you in this way?" Ask this before doing that, and don't do anything without a "yes". Not that difficult. Did you even know that just TRYING it to see their reaction is sexual assault? Honestly you guys disgust me I just don't agree. People don't ask permission for sex and sign documents of consent. Many girls would laugh you out of the bedroom if you said, "is it okay if I grab your boobs?" It sucks if a girl is shy and gets put in an awkward spot because she doesn't know how to deal with someone's sexual advances, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that scenario doesn't apply to what happened here. Hey hey here I thought she was there as a guest and not as a pick-up from some bar O_O My entire point is about RESPECT. In that kind of a situation you shouldn't even think about doing anything sexual. Why shouldn't you? Thinking about sex is pretty normal lol. It's called respect. ... God. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. So people should never have sex/think about sex with someone they feel attracted to because it's disrespectful? That is really interesting lol.
Yes normally I'd consider it very disrespectful if you have a female guest there and just think about having sex with her.
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On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 17:58 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:57 Interloper wrote:
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It dose not have to make sense... The scenario you are describing has happend before. I think its a bit of a stretch to call anything Steven did sexual harrasment or anything like that, but i know people have got in trouble for stuff like that. They get in trouble for sexually touching people that DONT want it and let them know that they don't. But if someone seems to be ok with it and is giving you the impression to be ok with it it is NOT sexual harrassment. Get real. People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking. It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right?
This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no?
Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay?
I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent.
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On January 02 2012 18:21 Mallidon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:18 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:16 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:14 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:10 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:06 Hyore wrote:
He said he didn't want to. Peer presure goes a long ways. Saying you don't want to do something and then caving to pressure is worse than just doing it in my mind. Why would you do something that you don't want to do. Shit man, shit happens. Take your moral shittery off somewhere else. Wtf. A guy who didn't want to get drunk got drunk. A guy that doesn't drink a lot got drunk. A guy who should have known better, now knows better. Get over it ffs. Are you saying people who do things while drunk shouldn't be held accountable? Oh get over yourself, thats not what I am saying at all. Just go and make some mistakes in life, and then you will realise nothing Destiny has done is all that bad. Fuck is everyone on Team Liquid a 15 year old that has never done anything stupid? If so then wow, fuck this. Just why do you think it's wrong to get held accountable for doing something stupid? Okay let's say as a hypotetical example that a person did drugs as a minor and had to go to jail, well they still had to go to jail didn't they? They still got scolded didn't they? They still had to stand up to the consequences didn't they? On January 02 2012 18:17 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:11 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:07 Excomm wrote:On January 02 2012 17:45 Shikyo wrote:
Have you heard of shy girls? Some have problems speaking up if you do something like that. Or about other things, as well.
"Is it all right to you if I touch you in this way?" Ask this before doing that, and don't do anything without a "yes". Not that difficult. Did you even know that just TRYING it to see their reaction is sexual assault? Honestly you guys disgust me I just don't agree. People don't ask permission for sex and sign documents of consent. Many girls would laugh you out of the bedroom if you said, "is it okay if I grab your boobs?" It sucks if a girl is shy and gets put in an awkward spot because she doesn't know how to deal with someone's sexual advances, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that scenario doesn't apply to what happened here. Hey hey here I thought she was there as a guest and not as a pick-up from some bar O_O My entire point is about RESPECT. In that kind of a situation you shouldn't even think about doing anything sexual. Why shouldn't you? Thinking about sex is pretty normal lol. It's called respect. ... God. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Jeez Mr uptight Virgin.... Destiny did nothing that should get him into trouble. What he did is only shocking to 14 year old virgins and the Amish. Mia Rose could have snapped his arms off if she wanted to, they are like twiglets. You 14 year olds are just getting your boners in a twist at nothing. Anyone who is over 20 years old has done worse than this. Get over it seriously ffs. Edit: Fuck, I've bitten these trolls bait so hard, prob going to be banned now. FFS Destiny <3 Screw the uptight community we are breeding here. I thought you guys had died out in the 80s.
I don't know where to begin to try and correct you. I would suggest reading up on the word "misogyny" since I don't believe English is your native language.
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On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 17:58 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:57 Interloper wrote:
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It dose not have to make sense... The scenario you are describing has happend before. I think its a bit of a stretch to call anything Steven did sexual harrasment or anything like that, but i know people have got in trouble for stuff like that. They get in trouble for sexually touching people that DONT want it and let them know that they don't. But if someone seems to be ok with it and is giving you the impression to be ok with it it is NOT sexual harrassment. Get real. People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking. It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right?
Read my post again you twat. I never said they are the same thing, in fact I specifically told you that I am not saying they are the same thing.
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i think you should just cut him a break, he was drunk and they are friends so whatever. I mean he was also hilarious when he was headbutting and stuff and how he kept asking for one more drink.
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On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 17:58 doko100 wrote:
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They get in trouble for sexually touching people that DONT want it and let them know that they don't. But if someone seems to be ok with it and is giving you the impression to be ok with it it is NOT sexual harrassment. Get real. People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking. It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent.
You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story.
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On January 02 2012 18:27 Rbd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 17:58 doko100 wrote:
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They get in trouble for sexually touching people that DONT want it and let them know that they don't. But if someone seems to be ok with it and is giving you the impression to be ok with it it is NOT sexual harrassment. Get real. People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking. It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? Read my post again you twat. I never said they are the same thing, in fact I specifically told you that I am not saying they are the same thing.
Then you cant compare them, derp.
edit: double post was unintentional, sorry.
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On January 02 2012 18:21 Mallidon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:18 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:16 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:14 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:10 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:06 Hyore wrote:
He said he didn't want to. Peer presure goes a long ways. Saying you don't want to do something and then caving to pressure is worse than just doing it in my mind. Why would you do something that you don't want to do. Shit man, shit happens. Take your moral shittery off somewhere else. Wtf. A guy who didn't want to get drunk got drunk. A guy that doesn't drink a lot got drunk. A guy who should have known better, now knows better. Get over it ffs. Are you saying people who do things while drunk shouldn't be held accountable? Oh get over yourself, thats not what I am saying at all. Just go and make some mistakes in life, and then you will realise nothing Destiny has done is all that bad. Fuck is everyone on Team Liquid a 15 year old that has never done anything stupid? If so then wow, fuck this. Just why do you think it's wrong to get held accountable for doing something stupid? Okay let's say as a hypotetical example that a person did drugs as a minor and had to go to jail, well they still had to go to jail didn't they? They still got scolded didn't they? They still had to stand up to the consequences didn't they? On January 02 2012 18:17 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:11 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:07 Excomm wrote:On January 02 2012 17:45 Shikyo wrote:
Have you heard of shy girls? Some have problems speaking up if you do something like that. Or about other things, as well.
"Is it all right to you if I touch you in this way?" Ask this before doing that, and don't do anything without a "yes". Not that difficult. Did you even know that just TRYING it to see their reaction is sexual assault? Honestly you guys disgust me I just don't agree. People don't ask permission for sex and sign documents of consent. Many girls would laugh you out of the bedroom if you said, "is it okay if I grab your boobs?" It sucks if a girl is shy and gets put in an awkward spot because she doesn't know how to deal with someone's sexual advances, but I'm pretty sure we can agree that scenario doesn't apply to what happened here. Hey hey here I thought she was there as a guest and not as a pick-up from some bar O_O My entire point is about RESPECT. In that kind of a situation you shouldn't even think about doing anything sexual. Why shouldn't you? Thinking about sex is pretty normal lol. It's called respect. ... God. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Jeez Mr uptight Virgin.... Destiny did nothing that should get him into trouble. What he did is only shocking to 14 year old virgins and the Amish. Mia Rose could have snapped his arms off if she wanted to, they are like twiglets. You 14 year olds are just getting your boners in a twist at nothing. Anyone who is over 20 years old has done worse than this. Get over it seriously ffs. Edit: Fuck, I've bitten these trolls bait so hard, prob going to be banned now. FFS Destiny <3 Screw the uptight community we are breeding here. I thought you guys had died out in the 80s.
Anyone who has a set of morals that includes respecting women is a virgin and 14 years old. K.
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On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:
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People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking.
It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent. You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story.
So if I go up to a complete stranger and grab her, and THEN she pushes me away... did I do something wrong?
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1. You cannot compare groping to killing because killing will always be a crime
2. It was his house he had every right to drink and what not
3. Cats should have known what he was doing to destiny so it's partially his fault
4. Mia should have shut stream down when things got weird
5. Mia could have beaten the shit out of him or called the cops so destiny was not doing anything wrong, Mia's not shy and she probably understood that he was drunk out of his mind
* it's middle of night go to bed and stop whinning and excuse my misspells
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On January 02 2012 18:18 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:14 Powermovez wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Mallidon wrote:On January 02 2012 18:10 CrazyCow wrote:On January 02 2012 18:06 Hyore wrote:
He said he didn't want to. Peer presure goes a long ways. Saying you don't want to do something and then caving to pressure is worse than just doing it in my mind. Why would you do something that you don't want to do. Shit man, shit happens. Take your moral shittery off somewhere else. Wtf. A guy who didn't want to get drunk got drunk. A guy that doesn't drink a lot got drunk. A guy who should have known better, now knows better. Get over it ffs. Are you saying people who do things while drunk shouldn't be held accountable? It is one thing to get drunk and to drive into someone. It is something else entirely to drink to excess inside your own home in the company of friends. However, as Jinro once put it, you don't fuck over your friends. They should have not pressured him into such a scenario and should have stopped the streaming.
Well said
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On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:27 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:
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People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking.
It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? Read my post again you twat. I never said they are the same thing, in fact I specifically told you that I am not saying they are the same thing. Then you cant compare them, derp. edit: double post was unintentional, sorry.
Read my post a third time you twat. I clearly told you I wasn't comparing them.
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On January 02 2012 18:30 Rush042 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:
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It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent. You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story. So if I go up to a complete stranger and grab her, and THEN she pushes me away... did I do something wrong?
Mia isn't a complete stranger, derp.
On January 02 2012 18:30 Rbd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:27 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:
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It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? Read my post again you twat. I never said they are the same thing, in fact I specifically told you that I am not saying they are the same thing. Then you cant compare them, derp. edit: double post was unintentional, sorry. Read my post a third time you twat. I clearly told you I wasn't comparing them.
Ah, now I understand. So it was an example, that did not compare the two completely different acts, to prove that both are wrong. That is genius.
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On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:09 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:04 Interloper wrote:On January 02 2012 17:58 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 17:57 Interloper wrote:
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It dose not have to make sense... The scenario you are describing has happend before. I think its a bit of a stretch to call anything Steven did sexual harrasment or anything like that, but i know people have got in trouble for stuff like that. They get in trouble for sexually touching people that DONT want it and let them know that they don't. But if someone seems to be ok with it and is giving you the impression to be ok with it it is NOT sexual harrassment. Get real. People say no in different ways. Some with a fist to the face, others with words and some can't say anything to stop people. I am not trying to make Mia a victim in this or anything even remotly close to it. I am just saying that just because you think something is ok with someone as long as they dont say "no" is the wrong way of thinking. It is actually the only way of thinking. Unless someone tells you 'no' it is actually impossible for you to know that what you are doing is 'wrong'. See if I call my girlfriend honey everyday but she doesn't like that nickname, is it my fault because she never let me know? If you dont like something you have to say NO, that is even defined in law, unless you say no or implicate that you dislike what is happening in any shape or form the other person cannot be made responsible for sexual interaction. If you dislike something you have the option to walk away, push the person away or simply say no. If you don't do either of these things its not the other person's fault because if you don't do either of these things there is no way they could possibly know that you dislike it. Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her. She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it. Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent.
If you a sober girl walks up to you, knowing full well that you're drunk, she allows you to grope her breasts multiple times, only telling you it's distracting her from texting, and sits in your lap after you beg her to, I'm very sure that any drunk person would put 2 and 17 together and come to the illogical conclusion that she wants it. Probably she wants more too.
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On January 02 2012 18:26 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:21 doko100 wrote:
So people should never have sex/think about sex with someone they feel attracted to because it's disrespectful? That is really interesting lol. Yes normally I'd consider it very disrespectful if you have a female guest there and just think about having sex with her.
You do understand how a lot of guys' brains work, right?
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doko100: You have a GF? If you have this kind of respect for women I kind of feel sorry for her, I didn't know these people even existed anymore
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On January 02 2012 18:31 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:30 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:
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Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her.
She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it.
Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent. You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story. So if I go up to a complete stranger and grab her, and THEN she pushes me away... did I do something wrong? Mia isn't a complete stranger, derp.
So what if it is a complete stranger. They didn't say no before hand so according to you they consented. Grabbing someone's tits with their consent is completely legal. The stranger in his example clearly consented according to you and therefore he was ok. Once she communicates to stop he can stop but before hand she let him start.
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On January 02 2012 18:32 Titan_Ansiminus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:26 Shikyo wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 doko100 wrote:
So people should never have sex/think about sex with someone they feel attracted to because it's disrespectful? That is really interesting lol. Yes normally I'd consider it very disrespectful if you have a female guest there and just think about having sex with her. You do understand how a lot of guys' brains work, right?
Men's brains work perfectly fine. It's the instilled social constructs that give off the idea that it's okay to treat women like shit.
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On January 02 2012 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
doko100: You have a GF? If you have this kind of respect for women I kind of feel sorry for her, I didn't know these people even existed anymore
Define respect and no I currently don't have a girlfriend anymore, that was just an example, but be reassured I always treated my (2) ex-girlfriends well and in a respectful manner.
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On January 02 2012 18:31 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:30 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:29 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:26 Rush042 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:23 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:21 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:19 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:17 Rbd wrote:On January 02 2012 18:15 doko100 wrote:On January 02 2012 18:12 Rbd wrote:
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Yea and the next time you go buy a coffee, if the person behind the counter doesn't tell you to not kill her, then jump over the counter and start brutally beating her.
She never told you to not do it so she obviously is telling you to do it.
Your reasoning does not work at all, stop trying to make it work, you are like an idiot kid trying to fit a square block of reason through the circular slot of reality on that stupid kids toy Killing someone really? You actually have to be a troll. Nobody is killing anybody, what the fuck? All I did was use your dumbass logic. The cashier at the coffeeshop never said no. What did I do wrong? You can't compare killing someone with touching someone's boobies. How old are you, like 12? Nevermind, I don't even think 12 year olds would think like that. I never once compared the two acts. All I'm doing is presenting another scenario where you can do something that the other person obviously consented to. They never said no, right? That is not the same. When you kill a person, you are automatically commiting a crime, therefore its self-explanatory that what you are doing is wrong. When you touch someone's tits it depends on their reaction wether or not they like or dislike it. Of course you cant just touch random people you dont know. But destiny and mia know eachother and Mia seemed to be ok with it, so there is no problem, never was, never will be, you are just stiring up some shit because you have probably never touched a girl before, so why should others, right? This brings a lot more in to question though. Where do you draw the line? If I've known someone for X years, then Y sexual act is okay because they haven't said no? Obviously if I go up to a random girl on the street and grab her tits, it's a crime, so at what point between complete strangers, and where Destiny and Mia are in terms of knowing each other, did that become okay? I'm not suggesting people run every act by any partner, that would be ridiculous, but legally it is a crime unless you have clear consent. You want to know where you draw the line? when the girl tells you "no", walks away or pushes you away. That is where you draw the line. Mia did not do that, so Destiny didnt do anything wrong. end of story. So if I go up to a complete stranger and grab her, and THEN she pushes me away... did I do something wrong? Mia isn't a complete stranger, derp.
Right, but I'm asking you to tell me when the shift happens. When does it turn from being "Not okay, because it's a complete stranger," to "I know her, so I thought I would try it?"
I'm not saying what Destiny did with Mia was sexual harassment, I don't believe it was.. that being said, I do believe that there are cases where a girl is unable, for some reason, to say no, or resist, and it can still be harassment. There is a lot of abuse that comes from people not being able to say no to people.
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