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Spain vs Italy - The Final!! - Page 13

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Juissi
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland209 Posts
July 01 2012 19:45 GMT
#241
On July 02 2012 04:40 Steveling wrote:
I also agree, this spain from the last 4-5 years is propably one of the top 3 best nationals ever.
Maybe the best.


Yeah i agree with this.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 01 2012 19:46 GMT
#242
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


1970 Brazil might be a competition.

Maradona's Argentina certainly weren't, they were carried by Maradona and had nothing like the depth of this Spain side. Not to mention they only won one World Cup and one Copa America.
Housemd
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1407 Posts
July 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#243
Is anyone else's ESPN stuttering?
Fantasy is a beast
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#244
On July 02 2012 04:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


1970 Brazil might be a competition.

Maradona's Argentina certainly weren't, they were carried by Maradona and had nothing like the depth of this Spain side. Not to mention they only won one World Cup and one Copa America.

I think you're underestimating how much having Maradona adds to your team, lol. I'd say 1970 Brazil is easily more legendary than this Spain team, though. They dominated everything, and convincingly. Spain hasn't been convincing outside of this game, lol.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#245
On July 02 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:40 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Greatest football team of all time. No side has ever won 3 tournaments in a row.

All time? Not even close. This has been a sort of weak tournament.


Tell me another team to win three major international tournaments in a row.

Italy did in the 30s, but it doesn't matter. The "greatest team of all time" has nothing to do with winning consecutive tournaments especially since this team is substantially different than euro2008. Maybe Spain is the most consistently strong team of all time. But in terms of one-time performances, the time to be saying what you're saying would have been after WC2010, not now.


No they didn't. There wasn't even a European Championship until the 50s and all World Cup's pre 1945 were a bit of a joke as most of the countries from other continents didn't attend.

The Olympics is not a serious football tournament.

It was all there was back then. What I'm saying is that teams have dominated for stretches of time before. Either way, it doesn't matter, like I said, because being the best of all time is about being the best, not about winning for a long period of time. There are teams that won the WC once and nothing else that I'd put in the running for best national team ever.


Every team that wins a World Cup plays great football.

Winning 2 European Championships and a World Cup in a row is completely unprecedented.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
July 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#246
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


The Brazil 2002 WC squad could easily match up against this Spain squad.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 01 2012 19:48 GMT
#247
As good as Pele's Brazil and Maradona's Argentina were, they would lose horribly to this Spanish team of the past 4 years. Football is a different and a harder game now than it was before. The players are better, and the strategy & tactics are more evolved. In terms of pure ability, this has got to be the greatest side in international setting. If they win 3 majors in a row, they'll also have the achievement to back that claim. Sometimes, you have to set aside nostalgia and really look at things.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 01 2012 19:48 GMT
#248
On July 02 2012 04:47 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:46 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


1970 Brazil might be a competition.

Maradona's Argentina certainly weren't, they were carried by Maradona and had nothing like the depth of this Spain side. Not to mention they only won one World Cup and one Copa America.

I think you're underestimating how much having Maradona adds to your team, lol. I'd say 1970 Brazil is easily more legendary than this Spain team, though. They dominated everything, and convincingly. Spain hasn't been convincing outside of this game, lol.


They haven't even conceded a goal in the knock outs since 2006. They are dominant as it gets. Brazil didn't even win the 74 or 66 World Cup, in fact they didn't even make the final.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
July 01 2012 19:49 GMT
#249
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


'78s argentina was a much much much better team than '86s argentina. Maradona didn't have the garrinchas and the rivaldos that Pele and Ronaldo had. That's why he's the best ever was until Messi.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 01 2012 19:49 GMT
#250
On July 02 2012 04:47 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:42 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:41 sc4k wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with top 3, might be going a little far to say best ever.

I'd probably say this. I'd say that Pele and Maradona or Ronaldo era teams are probably the most fantastic.


The Brazil 2002 WC squad could easily match up against this Spain squad.


Yes, a midfield of Kleberson, Vampeta and Gilberto Silva would do well against this.

Some people really have no idea how football works.
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
July 01 2012 19:49 GMT
#251
how can someone even think you could compare national teams of different decades -.-

would every euro team of 2012 defeat the world champions of 1954? probably yes. does that mean they played bad football back then? absolutely not.

in addition to that: dont try to argue with aeroplane, he's a well known flamebaiter and doesnt accept opinions other than his own ;-)
what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 01 2012 19:50 GMT
#252
On July 02 2012 04:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:40 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Greatest football team of all time. No side has ever won 3 tournaments in a row.

All time? Not even close. This has been a sort of weak tournament.


Tell me another team to win three major international tournaments in a row.

Italy did in the 30s, but it doesn't matter. The "greatest team of all time" has nothing to do with winning consecutive tournaments especially since this team is substantially different than euro2008. Maybe Spain is the most consistently strong team of all time. But in terms of one-time performances, the time to be saying what you're saying would have been after WC2010, not now.


No they didn't. There wasn't even a European Championship until the 50s and all World Cup's pre 1945 were a bit of a joke as most of the countries from other continents didn't attend.

The Olympics is not a serious football tournament.

It was all there was back then. What I'm saying is that teams have dominated for stretches of time before. Either way, it doesn't matter, like I said, because being the best of all time is about being the best, not about winning for a long period of time. There are teams that won the WC once and nothing else that I'd put in the running for best national team ever.


Every team that wins a World Cup plays great football.

Winning 2 European Championships and a World Cup in a row is completely unprecedented.

Yeah, it is, but this isn't the same team as Euro 2008. So while there may be a few Spanish players, like Iniesta, who can be called true legends, the team itself has changed greatly.

Forgot about Brazil 2002. I don't think this Spain team would be able to handle Ronaldo.
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
July 01 2012 19:50 GMT
#253
cant waste chances like that italy >.<
IM & EG supporter
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
July 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#254
Either way, let's get back to the game. This isn't really relevant.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
July 01 2012 19:51 GMT
#255
On July 02 2012 04:50 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:45 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:43 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:40 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:39 Shiori wrote:
On July 02 2012 04:37 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Greatest football team of all time. No side has ever won 3 tournaments in a row.

All time? Not even close. This has been a sort of weak tournament.


Tell me another team to win three major international tournaments in a row.

Italy did in the 30s, but it doesn't matter. The "greatest team of all time" has nothing to do with winning consecutive tournaments especially since this team is substantially different than euro2008. Maybe Spain is the most consistently strong team of all time. But in terms of one-time performances, the time to be saying what you're saying would have been after WC2010, not now.


No they didn't. There wasn't even a European Championship until the 50s and all World Cup's pre 1945 were a bit of a joke as most of the countries from other continents didn't attend.

The Olympics is not a serious football tournament.

It was all there was back then. What I'm saying is that teams have dominated for stretches of time before. Either way, it doesn't matter, like I said, because being the best of all time is about being the best, not about winning for a long period of time. There are teams that won the WC once and nothing else that I'd put in the running for best national team ever.


Every team that wins a World Cup plays great football.

Winning 2 European Championships and a World Cup in a row is completely unprecedented.

Yeah, it is, but this isn't the same team as Euro 2008. So while there may be a few Spanish players, like Iniesta, who can be called true legends, the team itself has changed greatly.

Forgot about Brazil 2002. I don't think this Spain team would be able to handle Ronaldo.


Ramos, Casillas, Xavi, Iniesta, Silva, Torres and Fabregas all played in 2008. That's still the majority of the team.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 01 2012 19:52 GMT
#256
Looked very much liike handball. The arm was up in the box. Perhaps if Spain weren't 2 up, it would've been given.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
July 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#257
Probably should've been a penalty, yeah.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 19:53:35
July 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#258
Should have been penalty. Clear example for "unnatural position"
TheConquereer
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain183 Posts
July 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#259
WTF referee.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
July 01 2012 19:53 GMT
#260
100% penalty. the hand has nothing to do there.
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