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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 21:14:42
June 28 2012 21:13 GMT
#921
On June 29 2012 06:09 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:07 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote:
I don't like Löw's attitude right now.

He blames the defense for the goals. Sorry this is right, but just cause he wants to avoid the blame for fielding Gomez, Kroos and Podolski this is no reason to blame for the strongest part of the German team this tournament.


what has tournament performance to do with the goals today? both were HUGE individual mistakes. hummels played a perfect tournament so far and yet he played a big part in the 1-0.


What I mean is Löw is not protecting his players.
Any good coach would take the blame on himself, he rather blames individual errors.


TBH, getting turned like that by Cassano when you have two people on him is an error. Although Id rather credit good play on his part I can see how it can be counted as a mistake because it shudnt happen to someone as good as Hummels.

The second goal was pure Balotelli pretty much making something of a cleared/lofted ball. Again Germany getting caught out. Italy really did maximize their chances early on, that was all really.

I think Germany had some nice pressure and scared Italy quite well upto that point and even after they pressured well for a while till they got desperate and semi gave up later on in the second half.

Its like the result forces people to see only the things that went badly.

Naturally when you have to chase the game it gets harder especially against Italy who are really solid defensively and actually play football when they get it.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
June 28 2012 21:13 GMT
#922
Congratz to Italy. They scored icecold when the opportunity was given. Well deserved. Germany just played terrible after the first 15 minutes, that's not enough to beat Italy with monster Balotelli.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
June 28 2012 21:14 GMT
#923
Such an awful Game by Germany -.- well GG Italy...
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
June 28 2012 21:15 GMT
#924
Hummels shouldn't be going towards Cassano in the first place.

The right winger should have supported Boateng, but there was NO RIGHT WINGER. <-- mistake from Löw

Second goal came from Italy's left (Germany's right side) too, again there was NO RIGHT WINGER.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
June 28 2012 21:15 GMT
#925
On June 29 2012 06:13 ionlyplayPROtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:11 sharkie wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:10 vdale wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:09 sharkie wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:07 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote:
I don't like Löw's attitude right now.

He blames the defense for the goals. Sorry this is right, but just cause he wants to avoid the blame for fielding Gomez, Kroos and Podolski this is no reason to blame for the strongest part of the German team this tournament.


what has tournament performance to do with the goals today? both were HUGE individual mistakes. hummels played a perfect tournament so far and yet he played a big part in the 1-0.


What I mean is Löw is not protecting his players.
Any good coach would take the blame on himself, he rather blames individual errors.

Both goals were huge individual mistakes. Everyone knows this, every player says it in the interviews, why should the coach don't talk about the real reasons why they lost the game.


Thank god you aren't coaching a team. Your players would hate you.

Sure Low made crappy decisions, but he had nothing to do with Badstuber not even contesting the first goal and 3 defenders letting Balotelli get in front of them for the second.


it was 3 huge msitakes on the 1st goal. first özil just stopped contesting for no reason giving the time for the pass, then hummels totally fucks up opening up the way to the goal and then finally badstuber just not beeing there.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 21:17:48
June 28 2012 21:16 GMT
#926
On June 29 2012 06:15 sharkie wrote:
Hummels shouldn't be going towards Cassano in the first place.

The right winger should have supported Boateng, but there was NO RIGHT WINGER. <-- mistake from Löw

Second goal came from Italy's left (Germany's right side) too, again there was NO RIGHT WINGER.


please this is 20 20 hindsight opinion. Italy had no right winger either. It was Chiellini who pushed up and he was covered once he got it. Cassano is a forward on the edge of the box. Are you seriously telling me a centerback shudnt float out to mark someone and close space at the edge of his own D? Really ?
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 21:19:18
June 28 2012 21:17 GMT
#927
On June 29 2012 06:13 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:09 sharkie wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:07 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote:
I don't like Löw's attitude right now.

He blames the defense for the goals. Sorry this is right, but just cause he wants to avoid the blame for fielding Gomez, Kroos and Podolski this is no reason to blame for the strongest part of the German team this tournament.


what has tournament performance to do with the goals today? both were HUGE individual mistakes. hummels played a perfect tournament so far and yet he played a big part in the 1-0.


What I mean is Löw is not protecting his players.
Any good coach would take the blame on himself, he rather blames individual errors.


TBH, getting turned like that by Cassano when you have two people on him is an error. Although Id rather credit good play on his part I can see how it can be counted as a mistake because it shudnt happen to someone as good as Hummels.

The second goal was pure Balotelli of a cleared/lofted ball. Again Germany getting caught out. Italy really did maximize their chances early on.

I think Germany had some nice pressure going in and scared Italy quite well upto that point and even after they pressured well for a while till they got desperate and semi gave up.

Naturally when you have to chase the game it gets harder especially against Italy who are really solid defensively and actually play football when they get it.

The first goal is a chain of individual mistakes - no one attacks Pirlo even though Löw's tactic was hand-tailored to disrupt him (and Özil had just forced him several metres back), no one attacks Chiellini (or is even near him) because Germany has only one player on the right wing and Boateng is required to protect space behind him, Chiellini can pass to Cassano, who comes at full speed and makes Boateng and especially Hummels look like Clowns, and again no one controls Balotelli, who can take a nice header at full speed.

The second goal was not interrupting the pass, but even more Lahm failing to put Balotelli offside. Every German player is almost at the middle line, only Lahm lags a good 3-5 metres behind, and is of course not tall or fast enough to challenge Balotelli to the ball.

And considering claiming it hindsight - I've said before the match that Löw's tactic totally relinquishes the whole right side to Italy, and they registered it and abused it. It's not about hindsight, it's a tactical error, because no one was assigned to keep Chiellini back.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2108 Posts
June 28 2012 21:18 GMT
#928
I was hoping for germany too but italy just got it right, their passes were amazing, fast paced, precise really top quality game. congrats italy, i hope they smash spain in the finals now because their play has been really lackluster.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 28 2012 21:18 GMT
#929
Good game by Italy. The Germans seemed rattled by how Italy was playing.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 21:20:43
June 28 2012 21:19 GMT
#930
On June 29 2012 06:01 Ermac wrote:
Cannot believe it.

Everytime Germany plays vs Italy it's as if the stars re-align and everything goes sideways. Italy who wasn't able to hit an empty goal all tournament long suddenly score 2 goals with 2 chances. Germany who has always been effective in front of the goal just can't get the ball in. All the cards go to the Italian team, but always when it matters the referee makes wrong/strange/incomprehensible decisions in favor of the Azurri.

Except for hardliners who go by the motto "the team that wins deservers to win" I don't think anyone honestly believes that Italy deserved this win. Unbelievable...........


Germany hasn't been incredibly effective in front of the goal all tournament. Yea, we scored a hell of a lot of goals, but that's because we've had a massive amount of opportunities. Our conversion percentage is actually pretty low.
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
June 28 2012 21:22 GMT
#931
Very happy for Italy. I've been rooting for them since I was like 7 years old for whatever reason

Now I'm just eagerly waiting for the final match. I can't watch the games during the week since it's during the afternoon here so I'm happy it's on Sunday!

Buffon and Pirlo ftw!
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-28 21:27:10
June 28 2012 21:22 GMT
#932
On June 29 2012 06:17 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:13 Rebs wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:09 sharkie wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:07 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On June 29 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote:
I don't like Löw's attitude right now.

He blames the defense for the goals. Sorry this is right, but just cause he wants to avoid the blame for fielding Gomez, Kroos and Podolski this is no reason to blame for the strongest part of the German team this tournament.


what has tournament performance to do with the goals today? both were HUGE individual mistakes. hummels played a perfect tournament so far and yet he played a big part in the 1-0.


What I mean is Löw is not protecting his players.
Any good coach would take the blame on himself, he rather blames individual errors.


TBH, getting turned like that by Cassano when you have two people on him is an error. Although Id rather credit good play on his part I can see how it can be counted as a mistake because it shudnt happen to someone as good as Hummels.

The second goal was pure Balotelli of a cleared/lofted ball. Again Germany getting caught out. Italy really did maximize their chances early on.

I think Germany had some nice pressure going in and scared Italy quite well upto that point and even after they pressured well for a while till they got desperate and semi gave up.

Naturally when you have to chase the game it gets harder especially against Italy who are really solid defensively and actually play football when they get it.

The first goal is a chain of individual mistakes - no one attacks Pirlo even though Löw's tactic was hand-tailored to disrupt him (and Özil had just forced him several metres back), no one attacks Chiellini (or is even near him) because Germany has only one player on the right wing and Boateng is required to protect space behind him, Chiellini can pass to Cassano, who comes at full speed and makes Boateng and especially Hummels look like Clowns, and again no one controls Balotelli, who can take a nice header at full speed.

The second goal was not interrupting the pass, but even more Lahm failing to put Balotelli offside. Every German player is almost at the middle line, only Lahm lags a good 3-5 metres behind, and is of course not tall or fast enough to challenge Balotelli to the ball.

And considering claiming it hindsight - I've said before the match that Löw's tactic totally relinquishes the whole right side to Italy, and they registered it and abused it. It's not about hindsight, it's a tactical error, because no one was assigned to keep Chiellini back.


I mean comon, look at where he passed it from. He was sitting 5 meters ahead of his 2 central defendres. Thats how frustrated he was from not getting touches, I think you can cut them some slack for not pressing him there. Chiellini was wide open yeah, but that about the first time he pushed up and its hard to identify that seeing as its not something he does regularly.

The real mistake if any came on the turn for me. And yea sometimes you get punished sometimes you dont. This was Italy just being better.

And Im sorry but Balotellis finish wasnt something that happens regularly either, but it was a big game moment. Hes had easier chances in this tournament and fluffed them pretty badly (Ramos?). Lahm did aswell as he could after they got caught out, Mario took it early and it was stelar.

I mean its very easy to nitpick after the fact, but you have to see it from that end aswell. But ok if you really need to blame something sure. Portugal had similar oppurtunities. Even the Dutch had similar chances and couldnt take them. Thats the nature of the game you will give chances sometimes you get punished others you dont. The point is to play well enough on balance to win and they couldnt do it today.

After the goals Ill give you Pirlo could work as much magic as he wanted because of the changeup in the system. He has Marchisio and De Rossi absolute beasts supporting him. Hes going to be effective against a thinner midfield for sure.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
June 28 2012 21:22 GMT
#933
GG!
Congratz to Italia. totally deserved. I wish them best of luck in the finals! They were just 10 times better than Germany today.

Didn had a effect on the outcome but the referees were as bad as the german team. Hopefully Germany will go and beat Portugal again on Saturday
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
June 28 2012 21:22 GMT
#934
Italy's always a great team, and you should never expect for someone to be a favorite against it, they can suck in the groups, suck in friendlies, suck in prelims but goddamn once they warm up they're on fire.

Absolutely great match today, i enjoyed a lot. The last minutes after germany scored from penalty were just insane tension. Dinamic game, each team played their best, lots of goal opportunities at both sides, little game fragmentation, lots of shots, the game had it all. Unlike the game from yesterday, this was spectacular football.

I enjoyed Germany's play, they tried really hard and i enjoyed seeing Italy not deffending the 1-0/2-0 like madmen.

I just wish the final will be at least half as good as this game was.
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Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
June 28 2012 21:23 GMT
#935
On June 29 2012 06:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2012 06:01 Ermac wrote:
Cannot believe it.

Everytime Germany plays vs Italy it's as if the stars re-align and everything goes sideways. Italy who wasn't able to hit an empty goal all tournament long suddenly score 2 goals with 2 chances. Germany who has always been effective in front of the goal just can't get the ball in. All the cards go to the Italian team, but always when it matters the referee makes wrong/strange/incomprehensible decisions in favor of the Azurri.

Except for hardliners who go by the motto "the team that wins deservers to win" I don't think anyone honestly believes that Italy deserved this win. Unbelievable...........


Germany hasn't been incredibly effective in front of the goal all tournament. Yea, we scored a hell of a lot of goals, but that's because we've had a massive amount of opportunities. Our conversion percentage is actually pretty low.


It was still like 3x as high as Italy's.

Before today's game Germany had 60 chances and 9 goals, while Italy had 87 chances and 4 goals. Not to mention Germany played against higher class opponents(except Spain), especially in terms of avoiding goals.


"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 28 2012 21:24 GMT
#936
Also, DAT pass from Pirlo...holy fucking shit, the one that didn't result in a goal but was insanely perfectly weighted...crazy!!! Amazing to watch.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
June 28 2012 21:25 GMT
#937
On June 29 2012 06:22 Tppz! wrote:
GG!
Congratz to Italia. totally deserved. I wish them best of luck in the finals! They were just 10 times better than Germany today.

Didn had a effect on the outcome but the referees were as bad as the german team. Hopefully Germany will go and beat Portugal again on Saturday

There is no match for the 3rd place in this Euro.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
June 28 2012 21:25 GMT
#938
Germany completely outclassed, as an Italy fan I was never worried for even a second. They could fumble around with the ball in the box and force some corners but thats the extent of it.
I could spend a while with that smile
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
June 28 2012 21:25 GMT
#939
best players of Germany all tournament: Ozil, Khedira, Hummels, Reus
German and Spanish champions.
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
June 28 2012 21:29 GMT
#940
lol 14 corners for Germany while Italy has 0. I don't think I've seen anything like that in semifinal of major tournament. Too bad Germany didn't do anything with it.
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