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Coach: Roy Hodgson Roy Hodgson announced England's 23-man squad on 16 May 2012, along with a five-man stand-by list. The England team is the only squad to consist entirely of players from their domestic league. On 25 May, John Ruddy was ruled out with a broken finger; Jack Butland was called up as his replacement. On 28 May, Gareth Barry was ruled out with a groin injury, being replaced by Phil Jagielka. On 31 May, Frank Lampard was ruled out with a thigh injury and was replaced by Jordan Henderson. On 3 June, Gary Cahill was ruled out with a double fracture of his jaw and Martin Kelly was called up as his replacement.
England make one change from the team that drew 1-1 with France, as Carroll gets the nod to play upfront alongside Welbeck, with the OX losing his place.
On 8 May 2012 Blokhin named a provisional list of 26 players for the tournament.On 29 May 2012 Blokhin announced the final squad for the tournament. Ukraien go into tonights game with Shevchenko the only injury doubt, but he did take part in yesterdays training session so should be fit to square up against ex Chelsea collegue John Terry.
Every group has gone down to the wire so far. Even teams like Germany and Spain looked like they could be eliminated. I expect this group to be no different. Should be a great night. England 3-1. France 2-1.
On June 19 2012 23:23 femputer wrote: Why the ukrain team aren't aweful and their playing at home. Wouldn't be a big surprise if we lose either through being out played or bottling it
Love what hodgson has done with the squad though and I hope if we do lose he keeps his job and the support of the FA.
You love how he made England aa boring and uber-defensive team that plays with 8 players in the box?
I definitely think that France have had an easier run in than us, in that Sweden needed a result against us and Ukraine will do too. Whereas in France's games the results wont matter on the day in terms of qualification.
That said, it may play more to our strengths as our game revolves around counter attacking. I can definitely see Walcott running rings around tired legs in the final 20 mins.
On June 19 2012 23:23 femputer wrote: Why the ukrain team aren't aweful and their playing at home. Wouldn't be a big surprise if we lose either through being out played or bottling it
Love what hodgson has done with the squad though and I hope if we do lose he keeps his job and the support of the FA.
You love how he made England aa boring and uber-defensive team that plays with 8 players in the box?
Sure its not exactly the most attractive play style in general, but the Eng - Swe game was one of the best in the tourney so far! Certainly not boring.
England have had a lot of injuries and they had a short turnaround because of how long it took to select a new manager. Not going to blame them for playing a safer style. It is also Hodgson's style of play. A defensive style of football has been around for decades. I don't remember this many complaints when Italy and other nations continously used it. One of the main reasons it has become a problem is because Barcelona, Spain and others seem to complain about it (and everything else) on a weekly basis. All that aside, I wouldn't be suprised that England start attacking a little more now that they have a few games under their belt and the fact that Rooney is coming back.
Will be a scrappy game, lots of fun too hopefully. Lets hope we can beat ukraine by a big enough margin to get 1st and avoid spain, I cba to argue with people that complain when england turtle hardcore against spain, regardless of result
As an Italy supporter, I hope Ukraine makes it out of this group as #1. As a Milan supporter, I hope Sheva leads Ukraine to victory Still think England will take it though...
On June 20 2012 03:13 Sif_ wrote: What do you guys think about Hart?
I'd say the general consensus about Hart in England is that he's somebody we feel who is a really safe pair of hands and is not prone to mistakes, which is something we've missed since Seaman. (Calamity James anyone?). He's very sharp and can pull off world class saves after spending most of the night standing around doing nothing which is a hallmark of a great keeper.
He's not been around long enough on the international stage to be mentioned in the same breath as Casillas, Buffon etc. but he definitely has the potential to one day be amongst the worlds best....and I'd struggle to say that about any other young English player at the moment.
First impressions: Ukraine very agressive, pressing deep - England nervous
Decent opportunity for Yarmolenko, who - completely free in front of the goal - takes too long to control a pass and lets the whole english defense converge on him
Rooney had best chance of the game though, Ukraine had like 20 shots, 18 from 40yards + xD
Still think this game is England's to lose. But no question Englands right hand side is letting them down offensively and defensively imo. Least Young tries unlike MIlner xD
On June 20 2012 04:34 DragoonTT wrote: Well, isn't that the case in basically any country? EURO time always means lots of commercials with players on the national team in their countries
It is just the fact that there are so many commercials centering only on rooney and the beast within him. I guess this is the case for all countries but more so for England, specifically Rooney.
I'm loving Ukraine. Unlike the Dutch you guys can be proud of everything you guys have done this tournament even if you do go out against a rather negative English side,
On June 20 2012 04:53 sharkie wrote: Did Roy Hodgson sacrifice all English children to the devil or why are they so damn lucky?
Its called being clinical. Calm down
Really? Did you see how that ball even made it to rooney?
Yes Gerrard completely wrong footed the defender and fired it across the 6 yard box, exactly what you should do in that situation. You really cant blame the Ukraine defence
On June 20 2012 05:08 PaleRider09 wrote: Wasn't the receiving player offsides before the goal though? Cuz it was obviously in, but the offsides would have nulled it.
On June 20 2012 05:08 PaleRider09 wrote: Wasn't the receiving player offsides before the goal though? Cuz it was obviously in, but the offsides would have nulled it.
On June 20 2012 05:06 blapsd wrote: Sorry Ukraine. That was defo a goal.
How many more cases of this shit happening before we get goal line technology?
That is not enough, we need to have same technology as in american football
Yeah Sepp Blatter reckons it makes the game less exciting....but everyone loves the suspense of video decisions! And the decisions are actually correct ffs
Yeah that looked like it was over the line. But there was a player offside in the buildup, so I guess it works out? Just like there was a player offside when they had a free header two yards from the line. These linesmen aren't doing a very good job.
On June 20 2012 05:08 PaleRider09 wrote: Wasn't the receiving player offsides before the goal though? Cuz it was obviously in, but the offsides would have nulled it.
On June 20 2012 05:06 blapsd wrote: Sorry Ukraine. That was defo a goal.
How many more cases of this shit happening before we get goal line technology?
That is not enough, we need to have same technology as in american football
Yeah Sepp Blatter reckons it makes the game less exciting....but everyone loves the suspense of video decisions! And the decisions are actually correct ffs
and it only takes about 5 seconds, the argument of it slows down the game makes no sense from Blatter, there are plenty of instances where the game is needlessly slowed down substitutions/fouls etc
On June 20 2012 05:08 PaleRider09 wrote: Wasn't the receiving player offsides before the goal though? Cuz it was obviously in, but the offsides would have nulled it.
It wasn't even close to offside
Only reason why Im bringing it up was because one of the commentators mentioned an offside play, but I wasn't paying attention at that moment.
England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
On June 20 2012 05:08 PaleRider09 wrote: Wasn't the receiving player offsides before the goal though? Cuz it was obviously in, but the offsides would have nulled it.
It wasn't even close to offside
Only reason why Im bringing it up was because one of the commentators mentioned an offside play, but I wasn't paying attention at that moment.
The long, high pass from Ukraine half went to an offside player - he ran around a lot, but at the moment the pass was made he was offside. German commentator just mentioned it again
On June 20 2012 05:12 Sphaero wrote: Oh, I hope Ukraine scores a goal and advances to the brackets. Eliminating the host due to a referee mistake won´t be good for the atmosphere.
I doubt it'll be good for the health of any English tourists as well.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Sphaero wrote: Oh, I hope Ukraine scores a goal and advances to the brackets. Eliminating the host due to a referee mistake won´t be good for the atmosphere.
Even if Ukraine score, France would advance ahead of them since they have the head to head advantage.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
eh? lots of people from england on here are saying it was a goal and that goal line technology is needed
On June 20 2012 05:12 Sphaero wrote: Oh, I hope Ukraine scores a goal and advances to the brackets. Eliminating the host due to a referee mistake won´t be good for the atmosphere.
Don't they need 2 goals? With 1 goal they're tied with France and France goes through on H2H
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
Whos being silent about it? The commentators have said it crossed the line, we have said it crossed the line in this thread.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
Commentators have just confirmed it was offside on ITV and we can see replay again soon. As somebody who was literally raging at my tv in 2010 theres defo compassion here about goaline technology though.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Sphaero wrote: Oh, I hope Ukraine scores a goal and advances to the brackets. Eliminating the host due to a referee mistake won´t be good for the atmosphere.
Don't they need 2 goals? With 1 goal they're tied with France and France goes through on H2H
Yeah, you are completely right. Ukraine needs to win to advance. The goal would have still changed the dynamic in the game.
Yeah not sure about England being disgusting about this. There were two mistakes in that - a player was offside and the ball crossed the line. Neither was picked up on, but it reinforces that we need goal-line technology and these extra officials are a poor attempt to deal with the problem, and they don't even work.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
eh? lots of people from england on here are saying it was a goal and that goal line technology is needed
To me it's a case of "we told you so"
We bitched about it when it happened to us, now it happened for us. It's FIFA's fault, has nothing to do with England.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
Commentators have just confirmed it was offside on ITV and we can see replay again soon. As somebody who was literally raging at my tv in 2010 theres defo compassion here about goaline technology though.
What are you talking about? The ball was was clearly not over the line vs. Germany in 2010.
On June 20 2012 05:12 Jinsho wrote: England is being disgusting. Two years ago they were all making such a huge shitstorm about that goal, and now they're completely silent about it. "welp guess that's how it is". Hypocrites.
Commentators have just confirmed it was offside on ITV and we can see replay again soon. As somebody who was literally raging at my tv in 2010 theres defo compassion here about goaline technology though.
What are you talking about? The ball was was clearly not over the line vs. Germany in 2010.
Here is proof
Yep, Karma is a bitch ^^
Haha! You could argue it was karma for '66 (dunno if it went over then or not)
On June 20 2012 05:22 blapsd wrote: Haha! You could argue it was karma for '66 (dunno if it went over then or not)
No-one really does. Doesn't stop people being certain about it though....
I remember a few years back somebody modelled it in 3d using the video footage and they reckoned it was over the line (they showed it on bbc). Defo didnt solve anything though lol. I mean how accurate is grainy black and white footage
Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
At least we played better than Brazil in this tournament!!!!1
But yeah, we've been pretty poor. As an excuse we can only offer the fact that we're kinda crap and Hodgson has only been manager since May 1st. It's a joke we finish first but we got lucky and worked hard against France and Sweden. Still maintain if everyone was doing their jobs correctly that still wouldn't be a goal because of the offside, but hey...
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
Lol based on current results we'd still be top of the group if we didnt score and ukraines goal stood.
Nobody has complained against Italy's defensive style for the past 60 years? I'm glad we frustrate you
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
The only judge of anything in football is the score at the end of the 90minutes, nobody complained about Italy for all them years.
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
On June 20 2012 05:37 ratbert wrote: man i feel like if england and france dont step it up, then spain and italy will have an easy time advancing to the semis
Yeah, I loved how we were happy to go first 'cause we avoided spain even though Italy are probably going to destoy us.
Still, we have a chance.
England vs. Italy... can't see it being a great match tbh
What makes England winning the group funny is the poll results before the first match here at TL which put England as favourites to outright lose the group. :D
On June 20 2012 05:37 ratbert wrote: man i feel like if england and france dont step it up, then spain and italy will have an easy time advancing to the semis
Yeah, I loved how we were happy to go first 'cause we avoided spain even though Italy are probably going to destoy us.
Still, we have a chance.
England vs. Italy... can't see it being a great match tbh
Yeah I almost feel like we're better set up to beat a team like Spain than Italy. (Even though we're clearly not favourites in either matchup)
Also it will mean a probable semi against Germany instead of Portugal.....although we have a terrible history against both those teams in knockout stages anyway!
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
At least we played better than Brazil in this tournament!!!!1
But yeah, we've been pretty poor. As an excuse we can only offer the fact that we're kinda crap and Hodgson has only been manager since May 1st. It's a joke we finish first but we got lucky and worked hard against France and Sweden. Still maintain if everyone was doing their jobs correctly that still wouldn't be a goal because of the offside, but hey...
You gotta admit that watching ENGLAND playing like that against UKRAINE is sickening...It's like Brazil (who is also insanely bad right now) getting scared of Colombia or something
edit: I just realized its england vs italy. Great match for people with insomnia
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
The linesman was so useless that he didn't notice that the Ukrainian player was offside, so that goal shouldn't have stood regardless of whether or not it was over the line. Justice is what I'd call that. Ukraine's earlier headed chance was also offside, but that wasn't called offside either.
I don't understand how we can defend so well vs. France and then so badly vs. Sweden and Ukraine. It's as if the players get really lax against supposed "weaker" opposition. When we got the ball down and played it (happened occasionally) we looked okay, at least. Signs that the players are getting more used to this style of football. Even Gerrard managed not to hit too many long balls forwards.
EDIT;
WE'RE NOT GOING HOME! WE'RE NOT GOING HOME! WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GOING, WE'RE NOT GOING HOME!
WE'RE NOT GOING HOME EITHER!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
At least we played better than Brazil in this tournament!!!!1
But yeah, we've been pretty poor. As an excuse we can only offer the fact that we're kinda crap and Hodgson has only been manager since May 1st. It's a joke we finish first but we got lucky and worked hard against France and Sweden. Still maintain if everyone was doing their jobs correctly that still wouldn't be a goal because of the offside, but hey...
You gotta admit that watching ENGLAND playing like that against UKRAINE is sickening...It's like Brazil (who is also insanely bad right now) getting scared of Colombia or something
edit: I just realized its england vs italy. Great match for people with insomnia
On June 20 2012 05:32 Sif_ wrote: Gah, england is through as 1st because of a lucky goal and a little help from the (useless) judge. They played poorly throughout the whole Cup, such a boring and ugly playstyle.
At least we played better than Brazil in this tournament!!!!1
But yeah, we've been pretty poor. As an excuse we can only offer the fact that we're kinda crap and Hodgson has only been manager since May 1st. It's a joke we finish first but we got lucky and worked hard against France and Sweden. Still maintain if everyone was doing their jobs correctly that still wouldn't be a goal because of the offside, but hey...
You gotta admit that watching ENGLAND playing like that against UKRAINE is sickening...It's like Brazil (who is also insanely bad right now) getting scared of Colombia or something
edit: I just realized its england vs italy. Great match for people with insomnia
There's one difference. Brazil was good for a few periods of time in the last 30-40 years. England has been nothing but hype.
The first goal was really funny though. Had the initial assist of Gerrad, and then 2 Ukrainian defenders (Via the crotch and an ankle flick) and then the goalkeeper and then score!
England are just the team people love to hate, I'm pretty used to people slagging off any success England gets it's incredibly rare you see anyone outside of the UK supporting the UK in any of these threads and people will find any reason to berate an England win.
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
It WAS offside, and I say that as a german who doesn't like england....We obviously still need goalline technology though
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
There were numerous cases where offsides were not called for both teams....so no there was no guarantee that an offside would be called.
We should complain if the ref on the goal line, who is looking straight at the ball, can't see that it was clearly over the line. And we should blame the uefa/fifa for holding improvement back. The worst thing: the ref is going to get all the blame while the system is the problem.
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
lol if it were a goal it would have been called, same logic dude.
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
So the linesman doesn't make mistakes, only the additional ref near the goal does?
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
If it was over the line it would've been a goal right?
On June 20 2012 05:56 Shellshock1122 wrote: We want LAN!!! err... goal line tech I think Italy vs England will be decent. Seems like it'll probably be 1-0 one way or the other
Would the goal line technology have pointed out that the player was offside for the Ukraine? Stop complaining about this, it shouldn't have been a goal.
wow.. coming from a fucking english man.. if it was offside it would have been called..
On June 20 2012 06:00 gTank wrote: We should complain if the ref on the goal line, who is looking straight at the ball, can't see that it was clearly over the line. And we should blame the uefa/fifa for holding improvement back. The worst thing: the ref is going to get all the blame while the system is the problem.
I have yet to hear a referee say "we need goal line technology"
Don't try to make referee look like the victims here, they enjoy their total power and are one of the reasons technology is still being blocked.
On June 20 2012 05:58 sinii wrote: England are just the team people love to hate, I'm pretty used to people slagging off any success England gets it's incredibly rare you see anyone outside of the UK supporting the UK in any of these threads and people will find any reason to berate an England win.
Believe what you will, but I think England's performances just weren't particularly impressive or exciting to the neutral observer. Some nice goals against Sweden and that's about it.
Very unfortunate for Ukraine. They played very beautiful today and that uncalled goal was a heart breaker.
Not calling offside and goals are both bad, but goals should always have priority. Offsides, sometimes it can be ignored by human mistake. Goals definately not!
On June 20 2012 06:34 [X]Ken_D wrote: Very unfortunate for Ukraine. They played very beautiful today and that uncalled goal was a heart breaker.
Not calling offside and goals are both bad, but goals should always have priority. Offsides, sometimes it can be ignored by human mistake. Goals definately not!
On June 20 2012 05:58 sinii wrote: England are just the team people love to hate, I'm pretty used to people slagging off any success England gets it's incredibly rare you see anyone outside of the UK supporting the UK in any of these threads and people will find any reason to berate an England win.
Believe what you will, but I think England's performances just weren't particularly impressive or exciting to the neutral observer. Some nice goals against Sweden and that's about it.
It's not just this tournament its been a common theme for years, England battles on while everyone posts on the internet about how much they hate England. Not that I care it's just interesting that we garner so much hate in the world. :p
On June 20 2012 06:00 gTank wrote: We should complain if the ref on the goal line, who is looking straight at the ball, can't see that it was clearly over the line. And we should blame the uefa/fifa for holding improvement back. The worst thing: the ref is going to get all the blame while the system is the problem.
I have yet to hear a referee say "we need goal line technology"
Don't try to make referee look like the victims here, they enjoy their total power and are one of the reasons technology is still being blocked.
I'm sure they love the media attacking them with any mistake they make...
i'm not an expert on the concept of karma, can someone explain to me why it would make sense for the ukraine to be karmically punished for a disallowed goal between germany and england in 2010?
On June 20 2012 06:47 chalice wrote: i'm not an expert on the concept of karma, can someone explain to me why it would make sense for the ukraine to be karmically punished for a disallowed goal between germany and england in 2010?
Karma doesn't make sense, that's why 'Karma's a bitch'.
classic football. instead of setting up goal line camera technology like they have had in hockey for 20 years they rely on blind men to make sure they can sell more t shirts of team England around the world.
What the hell is the point in that referee? Now we have 5 idiots (with the 4th official) who make the wrong decisions instead of 3! Football is years behind other sports in management. Bunch of corrupt wankers running every association.
Pretty average play from England but that's all you need to win these tournaments (ask Greece). Probably a draw would've been a fairer result but that wouldn't have changed the group anyway. Italy vs England.... it's gonna be a war.
On June 20 2012 07:02 Klive5ive wrote: What the hell is the point in that referee? Now we have 5 idiots (with the 4th official) who make the wrong decisions instead of 3! Football is years behind other sports in management. Bunch of corrupt wankers running every association.
Pretty average play from England but that's all you need to win these tournaments (ask Greece). Probably a draw would've been a fairer result but that wouldn't have changed the group anyway. Italy vs England.... it's gonna be a war.
Yeah ... will go into history as "The Great War of the Walls". Wizards should make a card like this:
On June 20 2012 05:58 sinii wrote: England are just the team people love to hate, I'm pretty used to people slagging off any success England gets it's incredibly rare you see anyone outside of the UK supporting the UK in any of these threads and people will find any reason to berate an England win.
Wat? I am supporting any good English football club, except Chelsea, over any other team, except AC Milan and, obviously, Ukrainian teams.
Also, in this euro, if England was in any other group I would cheer for them. But in group D its Ukraine (my country) and Sweden (huge amount of Swedish guys in Kyiv, and all of them are so nice, they just won me over ).
On June 20 2012 08:16 sc4k wrote: Wait what's the problem if a movement that was offside resulted in a goal that was disallowed?
It gives people a reason to argue - about football, about referees, about the unfairness of life. It provides an excuse for dropping out of the tournament. And it makes for great headlines for the media.
On June 20 2012 05:58 sinii wrote: England are just the team people love to hate, I'm pretty used to people slagging off any success England gets it's incredibly rare you see anyone outside of the UK supporting the UK in any of these threads and people will find any reason to berate an England win.
Wat? I am supporting any good English football club, except Chelsea, over any other team, except AC Milan and, obviously, Ukrainian teams.
Also, in this euro, if England was in any other group I would cheer for them. But in group D its Ukraine (my country) and Sweden (huge amount of Swedish guys in Kyiv, and all of them are so nice, they just won me over ).
AND 1-1! We played good.
lol if you're from the country playing us I'd say its forgiveable! Its the majority of "neutrals" that are tiring. They will never realise that too many trophies have been won using this play style for it to just be "luck". Mourinho's Inter, Chelsea this year, Greece 2004 etc. I'm not saying its great to watch but its no worse than tiki-taka which everyone seems to to crazy about lately. Watching players retain the ball just outside the 18 yard box for 60 minutes is hardly my idea of entertainment either. Give me the back and forth style of the Premier League any day.
On June 20 2012 08:38 FindMeInKenya wrote: What a clear robbery!!!! That was an obvious offside...... Gosh!!!! I hate them refs!!!
It was actually not so obvious.
It's actually very close. It looked like an offside at first glance, but this is another reason we need fucking replay. It was close both on the offside and in the fucking goal. At least from what I've seen.
FIFA is too busy taking bribes to notice though, as many would say
On June 20 2012 08:16 sc4k wrote: Wait what's the problem if a movement that was offside resulted in a goal that was disallowed?
the best bit is that even if the goal had been allowed, england still would of finished top and france still would of come second because head to head and goal difference.
On June 20 2012 08:16 sc4k wrote: Wait what's the problem if a movement that was offside resulted in a goal that was disallowed?
the best bit is that even if the goal had been allowed, england still would of finished top and france still would of come second because head to head and goal difference.
This is silly to think like.
There's a major difference of momentum and attitude when you tie a game compared to when you are down 0-1, know you need two to move on and saw your team robbed of a goal.
That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
Ukraine played really well. In the first half, England was non-existent. I was really impressed by the Ukrainians, especially Konopielka ( sorry if I miss spelled his name). It's too bad that the side referee didn't see that goal for Ukraine, it would be a game changing moment. On the side note, it was probably the last game for Shevcheko - one of my favorite strikers of all time.
Are you really from Germany and called it Soccer? I'm ashamed! And we only need cameras to check if it's a goal or not. But please nothing more. No video review like NFL or something.
On June 20 2012 18:41 Shottaz wrote: I'm trying so hard to enjoy football, but the poor decisions really kill it for me.
If the ref wants it, quick replay from '5th' official, yes or no, 10-20 seconds max.
How has this not been implemented yet...
replay for everything would change the hole sport, i can understand they are not realy considering this.
but puting two more man on the side which can make the same human mistakes then the other 3 ref already on the pitch - that makes no sense at all, get the goal camera, only for goal or not decisions - thats realy easy to do but those oldtimers at uefa/fifa wont do anything.
We can hope they see now that their way to overcome ger-eng from 2010 didnt work and they will get the damn camera.
On June 20 2012 16:12 Reasonable wrote: That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
Jesus christ, you'd beat someone up over a football game? Really? Hell, over a goal that was scored after a clear offside?
You really struggle to live up to your username by the sounds of it.
On June 20 2012 18:41 Shottaz wrote: I'm trying so hard to enjoy football, but the poor decisions really kill it for me.
If the ref wants it, quick replay from '5th' official, yes or no, 10-20 seconds max.
How has this not been implemented yet...
replay for everything would change the hole sport, i can understand they are not realy considering this.
but puting two more man on the side which can make the same human mistakes then the other 3 ref already on the pitch - that makes no sense at all, get the goal camera, only for goal or not decisions - thats realy easy to do but those oldtimers at uefa/fifa wont do anything.
We can hope they see now that their way to overcome ger-eng from 2010 didnt work and they will get the damn camera.
the whole argument against replay refs is that it will ruin the flow of the game because of the 1 min delay. but at the moment players spend so long arguing with the ref about every call that it would actually speed things up
It wouldnt ruin the flow it would stop bullshit decisions. It takes maybe 30 secs to watch a clip and be like oh that was offside/was a goal etc then allow it. It would make the game flow quicker as how many games have been destroyed by blatently wrong calls. It takes next to no time to get a replay up and on the big screen the ref could use that to view it. Failing that have a system where they do in rugby where it goes to a different official off field to view the video. Football is one of the only sports that doesnt use technology to aide officials. It has to change asap.
On the game though, England did alright, Ukraine i think looked the most dangerous team even more so than France did agaisnt them. The "stolen goal" wasn't stolen since he was offside when the ball was played so it shouldn't have even got that far. though that sucks for Ukraine. On the France game Sweden outclassed them all game long. They were so much better at going for it as they had nothing to loose. France just looked bad for so long.
On June 20 2012 08:16 sc4k wrote: Wait what's the problem if a movement that was offside resulted in a goal that was disallowed?
the best bit is that even if the goal had been allowed, england still would of finished top and france still would of come second because head to head and goal difference.
This is silly to think like.
There's a major difference of momentum and attitude when you tie a game compared to when you are down 0-1, know you need two to move on and saw your team robbed of a goal.
Its even more silly to think that even if it had been allowed that the game would have changed in some way, truth is you've no idea what would have happened and nor does anyone else, the goal was offside and wasn't awarded, you then play until the next whistle, end of
On June 20 2012 21:10 GarethGore wrote: It wouldnt ruin the flow it would stop bullshit decisions. It takes maybe 30 secs to watch a clip and be like oh that was offside/was a goal etc then allow it. It would make the game flow quicker as how many games have been destroyed by blatently wrong calls. It takes next to no time to get a replay up and on the big screen the ref could use that to view it. Failing that have a system where they do in rugby where it goes to a different official off field to view the video. Football is one of the only sports that doesnt use technology to aide officials. It has to change asap.
On the game though, England did alright, Ukraine i think looked the most dangerous team even more so than France did agaisnt them. The "stolen goal" wasn't stolen since he was offside when the ball was played so it shouldn't have even got that far. though that sucks for Ukraine. On the France game Sweden outclassed them all game long. They were so much better at going for it as they had nothing to loose. France just looked bad for so long.
It should be done just like in the cricket for an LBW call. It takes like 20-30 seconds the crowd get to see the replay on the screen so they can talk about it too and the right call will be reached. It wouldn't disrupt the game any more than a substitution.
Goal line technology and the current system of having a guy stand there are just not needed. Just go watch the replay and then make the right decision.
But instead of just having goal line tech why not have all the calls that are disputed go over to another official, that way it can come up on the screen while the official looks at as they do in rugby. If its all done from video there would be less officials need on the pitch (were up to 5 now and their are still wrong calls so often). maybe two guys at a tv screen radio down. Would take less time than a sub and even now big decisions interupt the game since theres so much arguing. It may stop some really bad tackles if its immeadiately shown on the big screen in the venue for everyone too see.
On June 20 2012 16:12 Reasonable wrote: That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
I guess its reasonable you don't go to events then. What an incredible overreaction to a sporting event.
On June 20 2012 16:12 Reasonable wrote: That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
I guess its reasonable you don't go to events then. What an incredible overreaction to a sporting event.
Well it's not just an ordinary sports event. Football World Cups and Euro Championships are the modern descendants and replacement of Wars. The only difference is that "usually" there are no casualties after a Football "Battle".
On June 20 2012 16:12 Reasonable wrote: That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
I guess its reasonable you don't go to events then. What an incredible overreaction to a sporting event.
mmh, well considering the hooligan problem this sport still has I wish more people would adopt his attitude
On June 20 2012 16:12 Reasonable wrote: That second goal made me really fucking angry. If I was on that stadium, I'd beat the shit out of somebody. That's why I don't go to such events. Ukraine still showed a good game, pity they couldn't get another one in.
I guess its reasonable you don't go to events then. What an incredible overreaction to a sporting event.
That situation has happened to England so many times though... and you need to sort your anger out.
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