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On March 28 2011 05:42 Darkn3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote:
creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!! I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say. Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16.
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On March 28 2011 06:16 Daetien wrote:
Mondragon just showed Idra how to stop the Deathball...
Are you joking? ZeeRaX played horrible and never even got the chance to get a "deathball". Not taking anything away from mondragon because he responded well to ZeeRaXs build, but he by no means showed Idra anything. Not to mention, ZeeRaX did the same build twice after getting destroyed the first game.
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Poor IdrA... Getting knocked out so fast must be frustrating... He hates that 5-6 gate rush too, feels it's pretty abusive... Tough to deal with, I lose to it a lot too :'(
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Idra didnt call gg, but typing that silly smile while everyone is watching is even more silly and shows how lacking of manners that guy is: that is stuff you save for private chat.
Discussing "who deserved to win" is kinda pointless for me: cruncher had the right units at the right time and in third game he had too much stuff... the fact that he was completely outclassed in the second game doesnt make up for the other two.
I'm just disappointed for idra and I hope cruncher gets knocked out as soon as possible having lost all the credibility as a competitive player after that silly smile
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On March 28 2011 16:22 ambra wrote:
Idra didnt call gg, but typing that silly smile while everyone is watching is even more silly and shows how lacking of manners that guy is: that is stuff you save for private chat.
Discussing "who deserved to win" is kinda pointless for me: cruncher had the right units at the right time and in third game he had too much stuff... the fact that he was completely outclassed in the second game doesnt make up for the other two.
I'm just disappointed for idra and I hope cruncher gets knocked out as soon as possible having lost all the credibility as a competitive player after that silly smile
There was a reason for that smiley and it was 100% justified.
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acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another underaged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
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On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote:
acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another underaged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Isn't this what IdrA is pretty well known for? Not to mention the BM in the interview, the BM in the chat prior to game 3. And you think Cruncher is the more unprofessional player over a smiley?
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On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote:
acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another under-aged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Oh please... idra not gg'n and talking complete trash in interviews beforehand is ok... but a  isn't?
You look like a complete moron for saying this nonsense.
Idra deserves all the "BM" he gets for the immaturity he displays on a daily basis. I'm a fan of his play, but the way he acts is exactly as you are describing others. "Look like another under-aged prick" = idra with the way he acts. Your Idra can do no wrong attitude is asinine.
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After watching this I just had to come back and read this. Just to read crazy predictions like "CrunCher is a creative and dedicated opponent, who will defy being underestimated. CrunCher will win." This tournament is really so damned good!
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+ Show Spoiler +no surprises here, mondragon showing why he was the best foreigner in BW at some point and idra being.. well idra xD
Oh man, that guy never fails to deliver (or does he? lol)
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well I think you should use spoiler tags. I mean this thread is about a preview after all
When I come to think of it, I should probably do the same
€: hm or not, judging by the last posts xD
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On March 28 2011 06:49 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 05:42 Darkn3ss wrote:On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote:
creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!! I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say. Except that there was no way Cruncher's economy was even with Idra's if he was going to commit to a 5 gate attack. Remember: When Zerg scout a fast-expand, they have 2 choices, go attack to attempt to punish the Protoss for expanding early, or take a quick 3rd. Since Idra didn't attempt to attack, he should have a third and be scouting for the Protoss' tech. If he sees 5/6 gates, guess what? Make some spines/roaches/speedlings.
U take third when you scout a 6 gate and manage to get enough units out? Cool stuff, man! I think I want some lessons from you! IdrA should probably look into a session or two as well...
I hope you also realize that if toss sees a looot of units/spines he can just... not attack and go back to his base and tech, maybe take another base? He already did dmg he had to do by forcing a fuckton of useless defense without really doing anything insane...
But it's whatever. Cruncher is not even close to IdrA's skill level and that was clearly shown in first half of game 1 and throughout game 2. I was pretty shocked that Jinro lost to Morrow and IdrA couldn't beat cruncher btw... it's whatever tho.
GSL Korea vs World last night was epic as fuck! ^^
On March 28 2011 12:20 Shikyo wrote:
Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16.
Yes, because queens, roaches and lings don't take supply. Did you check his saturation? Did that look overdroned? It was almost saturated... not quite... not overdroned by any means. Idra did make more units once he had the larva but since he lsot those roaches for free (forcefields) it didn't matter how many more units he made since it was half of what he coulda had if he fought on "even ground"...
Also I was stating that if he had made more units earlier he would have been underdroned. Also that fight would have been a lot closer if not for the forcefields... so basically zerg, who has to sacrifice drones to make fighting units, has to have double the amount of units (not exactly) to be able to beat this sort of attack simply because of forcefields... sure, it all makes perfect sense! IdrA is a baddie!
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On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote:
acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another underaged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Did you see Idra's trash talking in betwee the games? In most tournaments that would warrant penalty points that count towards a DQ. Cruncher's smiley was more than justified. Many people have schadenfreude about Idra's loss because his immaturity is catching up to him.
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On March 29 2011 09:57 Darkn3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 12:20 Shikyo wrote:
Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16. Yes, because queens, roaches and lings don't take supply. Did you check his saturation? Did that look overdroned? It was almost saturated... not quite... not overdroned by any means. Idra did make more units once he had the larva but since he lsot those roaches for free (forcefields) it didn't matter how many more units he made since it was half of what he coulda had if he fought on "even ground"... Also I was stating that if he had made more units earlier he would have been underdroned. Also that fight would have been a lot closer if not for the forcefields... so basically zerg, who has to sacrifice drones to make fighting units, has to have double the amount of units (not exactly) to be able to beat this sort of attack simply because of forcefields... sure, it all makes perfect sense! IdrA is a baddie!
Yes, it looked overdroned. It wasn't even 9 minutes into the game.
"Overdroning" is not the same thing as "oversaturating". If a terran 2rax rushes you and you have no units and full drone saturation on both of your bases and you lose, you overdroned.
Zerg also doesn't have to "lose" drones to make units, he can just keep making 2 drones at a time like a Protoss can, and also make 6-8 attacking units at a time. Most Zergs prefer getting a headstart with mass drones though, but that doesn't mean that they're getting behind when they start making only attacking units. They actually got an advantage by doing it that way.
Protoss army actually requires Force Fields to fight against a Zerg army on an even footing, otherwise they get completely crushed.
Zerg doesn't need double the amount of units, actually just a 1:1 ratio of Roach : Gateway units is more than enough to defend because of the quicker reinforcements. They also cost less, so I'm not sure what you're saying?
Idra definitely overdroned.
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