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Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
March 27 2011 19:20 GMT
#181
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote:
No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.


Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
Mrgn
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden17 Posts
March 27 2011 19:23 GMT
#182
(:
IdrA has left the game.
MadDog`
Profile Joined March 2011
Croatia15 Posts
March 27 2011 19:23 GMT
#183
On March 28 2011 04:15 Darkn3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 04:07 MadDog` wrote:
gg cruncher, wc3 players ftw
hint: grubby!

On March 28 2011 04:04 Zapdos_Smithh wrote:
Sentries are officially imbalanced. The roaches couldn't even attack...

Not, you need some skills actually to use those force fields like that. I guess that was just awesome wc3 micro.


Are you kidding? I hope you're being sarcastic... You need skill to spam-click F? I bet! Same awesome micro that helped him with the amazing phoenix/voidray harass in G1 and G2, right?.......... he got a total of like 1.NONE kills with those phoenix/voidrays and lost most of them to queens/early hydras.... imjustsaying....

Toss is a joke. G2 puts skill levels of idra and cruncher into a good perspective. G1 shows IdrA making a mistake of letting cruncher max out... cruncher only showed that you can fail with harass and still win with the unstoppable ball...

G G ?

+ Show Spoiler +
PS: I can't wait til NASL... the awesome things I have in mind! Mmmm

tired of OP talking.. cruncher won, i just said gg and wp by cruncher.
It's not about f+clicking its about aiming those force fields with mouse. Everyone would use FF just like mc does, but hey, that's not possible, cuz it takes skill for that.
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
March 27 2011 19:28 GMT
#184
On March 28 2011 04:15 okrane wrote:
Love or hate Idra, be glad or sad that he lost, doesnt matter that much.

What seems concerning is the current state of the game which allows so many abuses and lack of excitement (read: collosi)


This.
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
Daetien
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 19:32:23
March 27 2011 19:28 GMT
#185
People love Idra's smack talk, but from the tournaments I've seen, it almost always backfires.

In the 1st game, Idra was dumb to let Cruncher max out, game 2 showed exactly how to stop what Cruncher was doing. Game 3 showed exactly how to beat Idra when he keeps to his heavy macro, even after he knows what is likely to be coming.

As far as VR/Collossi being an unstoppable ball - Its possible to stop it doing a few different things, Idra just didn't do them.

Those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it.
MadDog`
Profile Joined March 2011
Croatia15 Posts
March 27 2011 19:30 GMT
#186
+1 daetien, there is a good counter vs everything.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
March 27 2011 19:31 GMT
#187
On March 28 2011 04:20 Darkn3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote:
No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.


Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^


You can toss and turn it around all you want.He knew 6 gate is coming and he made drones.He has no excuse for it.If he wanted to win he could have just made 2 spines,loads of speedlings go around and pick off the pylon that reinforced the toss army.
I like IdrA but if he continues to be ignorant like this with hes play he has no room to QQ after.
Cackle™
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
March 27 2011 19:32 GMT
#188
On March 28 2011 04:30 MadDog` wrote:
+1 daetien, there is a good counter vs everything.


That isn't the issue is it?
When there is a unit composition that is clearly superior to alternative unit comps, that/those unit(s) will dictate the matchup in a way that makes the play more abusive and hence less exciting to watch.
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
March 27 2011 19:33 GMT
#189
: )

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Greg "Force" Fields.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
March 27 2011 19:35 GMT
#190
So happy Cruncher won, Idra is suck a cocky little shit. Two rage quits from Idra and a smiley to end the series from Cruncher, I lol'd In Idra's defense though, he did roll through him like he said he would, but only in game two....
Durn
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada360 Posts
March 27 2011 19:56 GMT
#191
On March 28 2011 04:20 Darkn3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote:
No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.


Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^
If those 7 drones had been Roaches, there's no tell of how that fight would've been different.
"Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott
hooray_SC
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany9 Posts
March 27 2011 19:57 GMT
#192
Ggogo Mondi!!!!!
IamEmba
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland8 Posts
March 27 2011 20:01 GMT
#193
I still <3 IdrA - the smiley was awesome, though.
MC Goody IdrA Socke
Absolutelyyyyy
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
March 27 2011 20:11 GMT
#194
spoiler btw

that was a joke. game 2 was utter rape, game 1 was a laughable deathball and game 3 is FF abuse. yay toss def UP
JitnikoVi
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation396 Posts
March 27 2011 20:18 GMT
#195
On March 28 2011 04:33 apm66 wrote:
: )

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Greg "Force" Fields.



haha that made me laugh,

but seriously, when i saw that idra left game after the '' i kinda remembered the good old days in bw when during a game idra was being rude to strelok, i dont know why i did, but it just reminded me of his awesome personality

the only bad advertising is no advertising !
In theory yes, but theoretically, no.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 27 2011 20:19 GMT
#196
God I hate this "Toss OP" shit.

Zerg is a heavy scouting and reacting race. If Idra doesn't scout the attack, hes going to lose. If he did scout the attack, then he reacted incorrectly.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
trembol
Profile Joined January 2003
Poland17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 20:36:55
March 27 2011 20:20 GMT
#197
creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
March 27 2011 20:26 GMT
#198
On March 28 2011 04:33 apm66 wrote:
: )

+ Show Spoiler +
Greg "Force" Fields.

lol xD
SoBeDragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States192 Posts
March 27 2011 20:41 GMT
#199
Someone fill out a missing person report...that wasn't Greg Fields playing.

I was really surprised to watch Idra lose the few roaches he had to that push in game 3. I think the speedlings could have been used to kill the forward pylon, and the roaches should have fallen back to wait for reinforcements. Instead, we watch 6 roaches get trapped by some money FF's, and 11 more roaches trickle on to the battlefield. If the drones had been roaches, and he didn't allow the roaches already on the field to die, 17 roaches would have probably held that.

I was also shocked to see drones being made during the push, and also no spines at his nat. I was just very underwhelemed by his incredibly thin defense, despite a very powerful timing attack coming his way.

Maybe someone can help explain to me why he took the more exposed natural rather then the safer one. IMHO, I think he did this because he underestimated cruncher. I think had he been playing someone he respected, or someone that he thought wouldn't be a "walk over", he would have played more like the Idra we expect.

gg, dont underestimate your opponent
If at first you don't succeed, redefine the parameters for success.
Darkn3ss
Profile Joined November 2009
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 20:47:06
March 27 2011 20:42 GMT
#200
On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote:
creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO


Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!!

I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say.

On March 28 2011 05:41 SoBeDragon wrote:
Maybe someone can help explain to me why he took the more exposed natural rather then the safer one. IMHO, I think he did this because he underestimated cruncher. I think had he been playing someone he respected, or someone that he thought wouldn't be a "walk over", he would have played more like the Idra we expect.

gg, dont underestimate your opponent


Because maybe he was scared of being contained outside of his base? Because the "safe" expo has less minerals and only one gas? Who knows. I'm sure IdrA knows better than you and I.
Dont quote me boy, cuz I aint saying shhh...
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