I'm typing this report from deep inside my TSL bunker; lodged in the trunk of a redwood that has been standing since the invention of the incandescent light bulb. Thanks to Teamliquid's wall-to-wall TSL coverage, I have adequate reading material, but appear to be running low on food and water. This is probably could've been avoided, but my nervous snacking last week was so ferocious, than I eventually blacked out for several hours and woke up to find several jars of lingonberry jam smashed on the floor and my entire supply of borscht splatted across the walls. So I'm sending this preview out as a call for help. Those of you who know my location, or can decipher the code threaded through this newspost; please, send me food, I can't leave, it's all too exciting.
IdrA is the favorite. His GSL experience and long Sc2 pedigree afford him that. But a worthy question is; by how much?
Idra's macro remains one of the best among foreigners and now that he is back in the United States, he has new access to practice partners which should be beef up his chances to make a deep run in the TSL. His confidence will also be an asset in the later rounds. Yet this is an extremely dangerous match for IdrA, and whether he feels this is an open question. In his TSL interview he called his opening round match a 'walkover' and predicted that his opponent would four gate twice. Unless Idra is tapping into mindgaming reserves he was previously unknown to have, it is reasonable to call into question his preparation and mindset for this opening match. He'll need both. Since unexpectedly taking the third TLOpen as an unknown, CrunCher has established himself as a force to be reckoned with, holding onto "the V" weekly showmatch title against players like PainUser and Sjow, performing decently in the Justin.tv Invite in which he lost 2-1 to Idra, and going on a strong run in the recent FXOpen Invitational. Indeed, every time I watch CrunCher play, he has gotten significantly better. He plays a number of diverse styles, and seems comfortable in a variety of situations. That this match will be closer than many expect is a given, but what the result will be is mere speculation, at least for now.
Bracket Contest: At the end of the Harry Potter series, Dumbledore explains to Harry what Voldemort's weakness has always been. "Of house-elves and children's tales, of love, loyalty, and innocence, Voldemort knows and understands nothing." Dumbledore says. IdrA, despite his physical resemblance to the hero of that series, takes after the villain of those books in mentality. In the brutal language of macro and mechanics, IdrA holds an edge. But he has been undone in the past by intangibles that he does not understand, and this will happen again in this series. CrunCher is a creative and dedicated opponent, who will defy being underestimated. CrunCher will win.
Bracket Stat: IdrA picked in 94.1% of all brackets. (2131 to 133)
I've been both looking forward to and dreading this series ever since it was drawn. I would've loved to see both of these players in the Round of 16. Instead, thanks to the cruel parity of the TSL, we see them in the opening round. This may be the closest match of the TSL yet. Kas has been one of the most consistently devastating players in the foreigner scene since his qualification. Although he has not won any major tournaments, he has routinely been in the conversation, and can take down anybody. His opponent is HayprO, one of the few three time TSL participants, who has been training in Korea for as long as Jinro. His participation on the foreigner circuit has been sparse, but he has performed well in his few opportunities, and recently took a showmatch at PAX East against his fellow TL players. His experience on the big stage, and practice in the best conditions make him a serious threat.
Bracket Contest: .HayprO's best MU is ZvT while Kas claims TvZ as a weakness (despite it being his best MU statistically). The persistent problem of Europe having a lack of depth in zerg may prove a factor here, as HayprO's skills rank among the best of Europeans. Kas is one of the scariest foreigners in the game, but HayprO's mammoth training and experience will prove too great of a burden to bear for the Ukrainian, and Sweden will see another entry into the tournament proper.
Bracket Stat: Kas picked in exactly 2 more brackets than HayprO (1626 to 1624) (!!!)
Anything can happen here, and I mean that in the most positive possible way. Both Mondragon and ZeeraX are huge enigmas even for the most dedicated of Sc2 Europe watchers. We know both of these guys are RTS veterans. We know both are really nice guys. We know both of these guys are good, but the ultimate answer remains elusive. Just how good?
Mondragon is the bigger black box of the two. When he was first announced as a TSL seed, community origins became apparent as a whole host of people asked; "Who?". But Mondragon is a legend, and legends never die. He maintained a position among the top foreign BW players for a decade. His team; ToT) saw almost every great European player pass through its ranks. Respected as a brilliant tactician, Mondragon was well known for going 'inactive' for spells of time, after which he'd wreck everyone as though he had been secretly practicing the whole time. Meanwhile, ZeeraX hails from just as far back. Initially a BW player, he moved to Wc3 and had a substantial amount of success before moving back to Sc2, maintaining a high ladder placement, and qualifying for the TSL; his most impressive performance to date. His style is consistent and reliable, but perhaps easy to anticipate.
Bracket Contest: How does one pick a battle of unknowns? I know that Zeerax is the more practiced and polished player in this series. His TLOpen performances were impressive and his experience will be vital. Yet I know enough to never, ever count out Mondragon. I would hesitate before picking Na'Vi over Mondi in a 5v1 CS battle. So who will take this? I have no idea, and I'm too much of a coward to commit. Brain says Zeerax, heart says Mondi.
Bracket Stat: Mondragon picked in 65.3% of brackets. (2119 to 1126)
NaDa, the Genius Terran, versus the ever unorthodox and crowd-pleasing TLO. For 10,436 of you, this is your most anticipated matchup - a good choice, I have to say. TLO has said publicly that he will be playing Terran against NaDa. I, and I think many others, see TvT as TLO's best matchup. NaDa, one of GSL March's quarter-finalists, is of course solid in every matchup. To be sure, either player could win the TSL, but most wouldn't call them favorites. Much of the cause for excitement, then, lies with the players themselves.
First known for inducing heart attacks and epiphanies with the craziest strategies, TLO has remained a fan favorite through the months. With the influx of new talent and personalities to the scene, however, some of his stardom has faded. In the beginning of January TLO won the stacked PokerIdol tournament. It was his first major win since September. Now in the TSL, many will be watching TLO not only to see if he wins, but to see how he plays and if he can still capture our hearts and imaginations. We are all TLO fans, but some of us might need a reminder. I have no doubt that this Saturday will have the series we have all been waiting for. NaDa, on the other hand, is untouchable. No one (no one worth noting, anyways) doubts his skill and his fame is Bonjwa level. Whenever this guy touches a keyboard, nerds get goosebumps.
Bracket Contest: TLO is no longer the new kid on the block. His reputation for being unorthodox is shared now by many other players and it's questionable whether he can bring something new to the table and surprise NaDa. That said, I don't think he has to. TLO has a very solid late-game and TvT just fits him so well. He can definitely win by simply following a strategy through to the end and outclassing NaDa. It should be remembered, however, that TLO recently lost in the GCPL 2-0 to Fenix in TvTs. Only two games, but this were important matches. Still, my prediction is that TLO will take it - I think he wants it more.
Bracket Stat: NaDa picked in 66.5% of all brackets. (2147 to 1083)
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kas vs haypro is gonna be one of the best series in the ro32 without a doubt, while it will be close i hope hayder can take this one, his ZvT has looked good as of late.
WTF! Please don't compare IdrA to some ridiculous childrens story...The guy shows exactly how much he knows with every ass he kicks in stream, tournaments, and ladder match that he plays. He might be a little cocky and arrogant but he is not lacking in his understanding of the game or his opponents. I'm calling it; IdrA will sweep Cruncher!
He can pick race? Shouldn't races be locked once tournament has started? So TLO has to announce he playing terran before TSL Day1 start and has to stick with terran...?
Man I'm super confused by the time-zone adjustment. It says the matches start at 2am Sunday GMT+8, which means they've already happened. But they haven't, right?
Wow, that Kas vs. HayprO bracket split is crazy. I hope tomorrow is going to be as awesome as today. So excited!
On March 27 2011 14:10 scinfinitely wrote: Man I'm super confused by the time-zone adjustment. It says the matches start at 2am Sunday GMT+8, which means they've already happened. But they haven't, right?
No they haven't. It'll be 2AM on Monday for GMT+8.
Cruncher has just been looking stronger and stronger, and he has many solid yet abusive builds. Also IdrA has been in a bit of a slump very recently... but I think I am going to vote for him anyway. He is a very resilient player and may be able to hold of Cruncher's abuse with ease... we will see. I have a feeling this will be like when I wanted to pick MorroW but I went with Jinro anyway... Either way I don't see him making it past Naniwa or Goody if he does get that far. Day 4 is going to be amazing!
I'm 100% confident on IdrA > Cruncher and Kas > Haypro, but it's hard to outright claim TLO > NaDa and Mondragon > Zeerax.
I'd like to see TLO take down NaDa with some very interesting play and hopefully some good dice rolls on the maps. It would be interesting to see a PvT, ZvT, and finish with a TvT.
As for Mondragon... I haven't even seen Mondragon play, but it just feels right to say the dark horse is going to win. I think if Mondragon has some very creative drop and infestor play, it will go his way.
I love the voldemort comparison, I always wondered how unstoppable voldemort would really be if he understood love and exploited it... if idra can learn the cheeses, the timing pushes, and maybe uses some of his own... he would be unstoppable
IdrA, despite his physical resemblance to the hero of that series, takes after the villain of those books in mentality. In the brutal language of macro and mechanics, IdrA holds an edge. But he has been undone in the past by intangibles that he does not understand
I don't think I could have put this any better. IdrA is one of my favorite players and I enjoy reading about and hearing his confidence. But, he does tend to read into situations incorrectly because "this is what I think someone who was good would do". That's what I fear may happen, he'll read into the situations as this is what he SHOULD do, but instead CrunCher will do something crazy that IdrA would not even consider. I think CrunCher can take a game off him and I hope IdrA doesn't fall too "intagibles he does not understand"
The Idra vs Cruncher preview writeup is quite possibly the best thing I've read on TL. My brain is currently unable to focus on anything other than finding a pun that combines "voldemort" and "grack".
Also, if Idra is taking a page out of MCs book o' confident interview mindgames, I will be quite pleased.
Oh man that link in the Idra writeup is great. I see his classless, rude, and overly arrogant behavior has been going on for years now. Hes like the lil nerdy kid who got bullied in school so he becomes a police officer from hell to get back at people.
Its amazing to me he still has the amount of fans he does. I have so much more respect for a player like TLO or Jinro. Amazingly nice, good mannered, and humble. Pretty good at this game too last I checked.
Cruncher - please make a fool of this nerd tomorrow.
I'm also part of 133 that chose Cruncher, I think Idra will be caught completely off-guard due to beautiful timing attacks. Bit 50/50 of Kas vs Haypro, I only chose Kas because name sounded cooler, Mondragon dark horse but qualified for every TSL, and TLO over Nada due to previous match up in addition to Nada having to focus more on studies.
If i was IdrA and lost to Cruncher after all that has been said , i'd probably become a hermit and vanish from the gaming community forever. It's time to back that arrogance with a smashing performance! For the SWARM!
On March 27 2011 18:51 Psyclon wrote: If i was IdrA and lost to Cruncher after all that has been said , i'd probably become a hermit and vanish from the gaming community forever.
I think it's more likely that you would find some iniquitous imbalance that makes the game absolutely broken right now. Nevertheless, go idra!
I honestly don't like Cruncher as a player, but I'm pretty sure he'll beat IdrA. Unfortunate as it is, 'cause I have a lot of respect for Grack, I don't think he's gonna win.
On March 27 2011 20:30 Shamrock_ wrote: I honestly don't like Cruncher as a player, but I'm pretty sure he'll beat IdrA. Unfortunate as it is, 'cause I have a lot of respect for Grack, I don't think he's gonna win.
Yup. OP is very much right, Cruncher is exactly the kind of player that can COST idra. Hope idra wins tho!
I wish I could change my bracket predictions...after yesterday's results, it's basically certain that Cruncher will roflstomp Idra, TLO will upset Nada with mass reaper into mass battlecruiser/raven play and Zeerax will win the whole tournament. :D
cant wait for todays matches with better casters + Show Spoiler +
dont like husky because of his 'baller' like attitude when hes not. Also, dont advertise him on the stream when theres like 50k people watching, its TSL not a HDH
Still, my prediction is that TLO will take it - I think he wants it more.
i think this basically holds true for all the games so far, those who fought for a spot in the tournament and or were not preoccupied by the GSL really committed themselves to this thing, not saying by any means that the invites were lazy, just the impression i got!
IdrA better win -.-' With all the upsets we've been seeing, and considering Greg's spent so much time overseas that he's practically Korean anyway... IdrA fighting!
I'll go out on a limb and say that Cruncher will upset Idra, 2-1. I'm feeling an aura of upset today, but Idra may very well be on his A-game during the matches.
Kas vs Haypro is perhaps the closest and most even match-up out of all the matches in TSL3. I'll give Haypro the slight edge, but Kas might very well give us a few surprises. 2-1 for Haypro.
Wow, I'm having a hard time calling Mondragon vs Zeerax. Too much unknown factors coming into play. We've seen Zeerax play, and he's pretty good, but Mondi is an enigma (vintage Mondi I guess ). It's hard to call this one, but I'll give Zeerax the benefit of the doubt; I say he takes this 2-0. However, Mondi is Mondi, so I'm not counting him out completely.
Nada vs TLO. Damn, I am EXCITED for this match. The Genius Terran vs Mr. Unorthodox. I'm crossing my fingers for some nuke action by TLO, and hopefully, we'll see some Battlecruiser action too. I'll give TLO the edge because I feel that he is the more prepared player. Nada is Nada, I can't deny that, but with him studying in Uni and not having enough practice, I feel that it'll really handicap him. 2-1 for TLO.
On March 27 2011 22:05 WArped wrote: If CrunCher wins, I think I'll eat my hat. I mean that with the greatest possible respect but the odds are so stacked against him. Good luck fella!
I bet cruncher, kas, TLO and zeerax is gonna win. This is the tournament of the underdogs.. I'm still trying to recover from yesterdays games so I hope to god there's not gonna be any upsets tbh. They hurt my brain
God i love that rek post. I read the whole thing every time its linked to me, despite reading when it came out and 20k times since. He wrecks idra so hard, spits so much truth, gets to the root of why idrA was and will continue to be the best foreigner without ever winning anything.
I'm so sad that I have to finish up a mandatory math submissions Goddamn you university. The worst part is I have to thread on eggshells on which topics I open until I've seen the matches.
I can never get enough Idra. TLO vs NADA will be one of the few TvT's I watch, because I think it will be epic, but Im not so sure well see too crazy play from TLO today, my guess is he will play a lil more standard.
How come TLO gets to pick his race, even though he entered the tournament as random? This has kind of fucked my bracket :/ Not that my bracket is really any good now because of yesterday... haha.
i picked CrunCher to win because IdrA is overconfident and deserves it. i also have the interview thread bookmarked for instant quoting of IdrA's "i'm gonna walkover this kid" statement.
this is the mondragon daily number 9XXXX, were we learn to be an easymode gamer! and probably roflstomp some other guys out of the tournament, when we get lucky!"
On March 28 2011 00:24 VarpuliS wrote: i picked CrunCher to win because IdrA is overconfident and deserves it. i also have the interview thread bookmarked for instant quoting of IdrA's "i'm gonna walkover this kid" statement.
hell are you talking about. i hate how people on the forum take stuff out of context. he said he was gonna APPROACH the match like his opponent was a walkover. Which is pretty much him just psyching himself up. He did not say dude was a walk over.
On March 28 2011 00:24 VarpuliS wrote: i picked CrunCher to win because IdrA is overconfident and deserves it. i also have the interview thread bookmarked for instant quoting of IdrA's "i'm gonna walkover this kid" statement.
hell are you talking about. i hate how people on the forum take stuff out of context. he said he was gonna APPROACH the match like his opponent was a walkover. Which is pretty much him just psyching himself up. He did not say dude was a walk over.
On March 27 2011 23:51 Clearout wrote: I'm so sad that I have to finish up a mandatory math submissions Goddamn you university. The worst part is I have to thread on eggshells on which topics I open until I've seen the matches.
Not sure if anyone in production of TSL will read this but anyway. If I may offer a constructive criticism with the production of the TSL stream. Transitions from talking about the previous game into the next game there seems to be this just down time where nothing is happening. For instance after game 2 of Idra vs Cruncher Day9 said "and on to game 3" and the stream just sat for about a minute before going into the intro to game 3. During that minute the stream lost 10,000 viewers (not saying purely because of that) but just a thought.
On March 28 2011 04:05 YourGoodFriend wrote: Not sure if anyone in production of TSL will read this but anyway. If I may offer a constructive criticism with the production of the TSL stream. Transitions from talking about the previous game into the next game there seems to be this just down time where nothing is happening. For instance after game 2 of Idra vs Cruncher Day9 said "and on to game 3" and the stream just sat for about a minute before going into the intro to game 3. During that minute the stream lost 10,000 viewers (not saying purely because of that) but just a thought.
You use adblock don't you? They run commercials during that time.
On March 28 2011 04:04 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: Sentries are officially imbalanced. The roaches couldn't even attack...
Not, you need some skills actually to use those force fields like that. I guess that was just awesome wc3 micro.
Are you kidding? I hope you're being sarcastic... You need skill to spam-click F? I bet! Same awesome micro that helped him with the amazing phoenix/voidray harass in G1 and G2, right?.......... he got a total of like 1.NONE kills with those phoenix/voidrays and lost most of them to queens/early hydras.... imjustsaying....
Toss is a joke. G2 puts skill levels of idra and cruncher into a good perspective. G1 shows IdrA making a mistake of letting cruncher max out... cruncher only showed that you can fail with harass and still win with the unstoppable ball...
No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote: No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.
Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^
On March 28 2011 04:07 MadDog` wrote: gg cruncher, wc3 players ftw hint: grubby!
On March 28 2011 04:04 Zapdos_Smithh wrote: Sentries are officially imbalanced. The roaches couldn't even attack...
Not, you need some skills actually to use those force fields like that. I guess that was just awesome wc3 micro.
Are you kidding? I hope you're being sarcastic... You need skill to spam-click F? I bet! Same awesome micro that helped him with the amazing phoenix/voidray harass in G1 and G2, right?.......... he got a total of like 1.NONE kills with those phoenix/voidrays and lost most of them to queens/early hydras.... imjustsaying....
Toss is a joke. G2 puts skill levels of idra and cruncher into a good perspective. G1 shows IdrA making a mistake of letting cruncher max out... cruncher only showed that you can fail with harass and still win with the unstoppable ball...
PS: I can't wait til NASL... the awesome things I have in mind! Mmmm
tired of OP talking.. cruncher won, i just said gg and wp by cruncher. It's not about f+clicking its about aiming those force fields with mouse. Everyone would use FF just like mc does, but hey, that's not possible, cuz it takes skill for that.
People love Idra's smack talk, but from the tournaments I've seen, it almost always backfires.
In the 1st game, Idra was dumb to let Cruncher max out, game 2 showed exactly how to stop what Cruncher was doing. Game 3 showed exactly how to beat Idra when he keeps to his heavy macro, even after he knows what is likely to be coming.
As far as VR/Collossi being an unstoppable ball - Its possible to stop it doing a few different things, Idra just didn't do them.
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote: No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.
Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^
You can toss and turn it around all you want.He knew 6 gate is coming and he made drones.He has no excuse for it.If he wanted to win he could have just made 2 spines,loads of speedlings go around and pick off the pylon that reinforced the toss army. I like IdrA but if he continues to be ignorant like this with hes play he has no room to QQ after.
On March 28 2011 04:30 MadDog` wrote: +1 daetien, there is a good counter vs everything.
That isn't the issue is it? When there is a unit composition that is clearly superior to alternative unit comps, that/those unit(s) will dictate the matchup in a way that makes the play more abusive and hence less exciting to watch.
So happy Cruncher won, Idra is suck a cocky little shit. Two rage quits from Idra and a smiley to end the series from Cruncher, I lol'd In Idra's defense though, he did roll through him like he said he would, but only in game two....
On March 28 2011 04:18 Durn wrote: No one can call that loss anything but a bad decision by IdrA. He was pumping 7 drones when the 6gate was on his creep. He was being greedy and overconfident. It REALLY REALLY sucks because IdrA is a better player than col.cruncher (in my opinion), but he just gets too macro heavy sometimes. He needs to meet stupid levels of aggression with stupid levels of defense.
Sure. And the cruncher sees shitload of units, throws down a few forcefields and goes home, takes third, gets colossi/voidray and kills you later. Awesome plan, bro! ^^
If those 7 drones had been Roaches, there's no tell of how that fight would've been different.
but seriously, when i saw that idra left game after the '' i kinda remembered the good old days in bw when during a game idra was being rude to strelok, i dont know why i did, but it just reminded me of his awesome personality
Zerg is a heavy scouting and reacting race. If Idra doesn't scout the attack, hes going to lose. If he did scout the attack, then he reacted incorrectly.
Someone fill out a missing person report...that wasn't Greg Fields playing.
I was really surprised to watch Idra lose the few roaches he had to that push in game 3. I think the speedlings could have been used to kill the forward pylon, and the roaches should have fallen back to wait for reinforcements. Instead, we watch 6 roaches get trapped by some money FF's, and 11 more roaches trickle on to the battlefield. If the drones had been roaches, and he didn't allow the roaches already on the field to die, 17 roaches would have probably held that.
I was also shocked to see drones being made during the push, and also no spines at his nat. I was just very underwhelemed by his incredibly thin defense, despite a very powerful timing attack coming his way.
Maybe someone can help explain to me why he took the more exposed natural rather then the safer one. IMHO, I think he did this because he underestimated cruncher. I think had he been playing someone he respected, or someone that he thought wouldn't be a "walk over", he would have played more like the Idra we expect.
On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote: creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO
Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!!
I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say.
On March 28 2011 05:41 SoBeDragon wrote: Maybe someone can help explain to me why he took the more exposed natural rather then the safer one. IMHO, I think he did this because he underestimated cruncher. I think had he been playing someone he respected, or someone that he thought wouldn't be a "walk over", he would have played more like the Idra we expect.
gg, dont underestimate your opponent
Because maybe he was scared of being contained outside of his base? Because the "safe" expo has less minerals and only one gas? Who knows. I'm sure IdrA knows better than you and I.
Because maybe he was scared of being contained outside of his base? Because the "safe" expo has less minerals and only one gas? Who knows. I'm sure IdrA knows better than you and I.
I hope so. That didn't look like the gracken to me today =/
Because maybe he was scared of being contained outside of his base? Because the "safe" expo has less minerals and only one gas? Who knows. I'm sure IdrA knows better than you and I.
I hope so. That didn't look like the gracken to me today =/
Because maybe he was scared of being contained outside of his base? Because the "safe" expo has less minerals and only one gas? Who knows. I'm sure IdrA knows better than you and I.
I hope so. That didn't look like the gracken to me today =/
Sometimes Im suprised Idra doesnt play safer in a big game 3 like that. Like hes so macro crazy that he forgets if he cuts some drones, it could benefit him FROM NOT LOSING lol
On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote: creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO
Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!!
I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say.
Except that there was no way Cruncher's economy was even with Idra's if he was going to commit to a 5 gate attack.
Remember: When Zerg scout a fast-expand, they have 2 choices, go attack to attempt to punish the Protoss for expanding early, or take a quick 3rd. Since Idra didn't attempt to attack, he should have a third and be scouting for the Protoss' tech. If he sees 5/6 gates, guess what? Make some spines/roaches/speedlings.
Man this tournament is nothing but upsets xD I know my brackets just went to shit lawl. It still annoys me that IdrA can't show proper manners in such a prestigious tournament, with up till 60k viewers.. Ohwell, loving the Day/Wheat duo! Really rocks.
On March 28 2011 08:11 Infernus wrote: Man this tournament is nothing but upsets xD I know my brackets just went to shit lawl. It still annoys me that IdrA can't show proper manners in such a prestigious tournament, with up till 60k viewers.. Ohwell, loving the Day/Wheat duo! Really rocks.
Cruncher didn't have any fucking manners either, and I don't think anyone has any obligation to type some meaningless formality like gg, just because koreans do it.
We don't live in fucking korea, their traditions are not important here.
[B]On March 28 2011 09:49 jdr_ wrote:[/B We don't live in fucking korea, their traditions are not important here.
Uh, how you got it into your head GG was a Korean tradition blows my mind. I was typing GG in various computer games back when I was twelve. I say 'Good Game' at the end of almost every sport I've ever played electronic or not.
On March 28 2011 08:11 Infernus wrote: Man this tournament is nothing but upsets xD I know my brackets just went to shit lawl. It still annoys me that IdrA can't show proper manners in such a prestigious tournament, with up till 60k viewers.. Ohwell, loving the Day/Wheat duo! Really rocks.
Cruncher didn't have any fucking manners either, and I don't think anyone has any obligation to type some meaningless formality like gg, just because koreans do it.
We don't live in fucking korea, their traditions are not important here.
What do you mean their traditions are not important here? Is it now a Korean tradition to type GG? Man, give me whatever you are smoking, must be awesome.
It's not an meaningless formality. It shows sportsmanship. You are right tho, theres no obligation what so ever. But in my case, I do expect more from a so called 'professional' player then a ragequit. I don't mind a ragequit in games.. but in TSL, thats.. meh.
Anyways, wasn't trying to make a big deal out of this. This is just who he is.
On March 28 2011 08:11 Infernus wrote: Man this tournament is nothing but upsets xD I know my brackets just went to shit lawl. It still annoys me that IdrA can't show proper manners in such a prestigious tournament, with up till 60k viewers.. Ohwell, loving the Day/Wheat duo! Really rocks.
Cruncher didn't have any fucking manners either, and I don't think anyone has any obligation to type some meaningless formality like gg, just because koreans do it.
We don't live in fucking korea, their traditions are not important here.
yeah fuck those koreans using their KOREAN words like good game and stuff.
On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote: creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO
Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!!
I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say.
Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16.
On March 28 2011 06:16 Daetien wrote: Mondragon just showed Idra how to stop the Deathball...
Are you joking? ZeeRaX played horrible and never even got the chance to get a "deathball". Not taking anything away from mondragon because he responded well to ZeeRaXs build, but he by no means showed Idra anything. Not to mention, ZeeRaX did the same build twice after getting destroyed the first game.
Poor IdrA... Getting knocked out so fast must be frustrating... He hates that 5-6 gate rush too, feels it's pretty abusive... Tough to deal with, I lose to it a lot too :'(
Idra didnt call gg, but typing that silly smile while everyone is watching is even more silly and shows how lacking of manners that guy is: that is stuff you save for private chat. Discussing "who deserved to win" is kinda pointless for me: cruncher had the right units at the right time and in third game he had too much stuff... the fact that he was completely outclassed in the second game doesnt make up for the other two.
I'm just disappointed for idra and I hope cruncher gets knocked out as soon as possible having lost all the credibility as a competitive player after that silly smile
On March 28 2011 16:22 ambra wrote: Idra didnt call gg, but typing that silly smile while everyone is watching is even more silly and shows how lacking of manners that guy is: that is stuff you save for private chat. Discussing "who deserved to win" is kinda pointless for me: cruncher had the right units at the right time and in third game he had too much stuff... the fact that he was completely outclassed in the second game doesnt make up for the other two.
I'm just disappointed for idra and I hope cruncher gets knocked out as soon as possible having lost all the credibility as a competitive player after that silly smile
There was a reason for that smiley and it was 100% justified.
On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote: acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another underaged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Isn't this what IdrA is pretty well known for? Not to mention the BM in the interview, the BM in the chat prior to game 3. And you think Cruncher is the more unprofessional player over a smiley?
On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote: acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another under-aged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Oh please... idra not gg'n and talking complete trash in interviews beforehand is ok... but a isn't?
You look like a complete moron for saying this nonsense.
Idra deserves all the "BM" he gets for the immaturity he displays on a daily basis. I'm a fan of his play, but the way he acts is exactly as you are describing others. "Look like another under-aged prick" = idra with the way he acts. Your Idra can do no wrong attitude is asinine.
After watching this I just had to come back and read this. Just to read crazy predictions like "CrunCher is a creative and dedicated opponent, who will defy being underestimated. CrunCher will win." This tournament is really so damned good!
On March 28 2011 05:20 trembol wrote: creating more drones when you are seeing a push was best reaction from idra oO
Of course, because underdroned zerg on equal bases is fully capable of maintaining constant unit production to be able to combat a 6-gate... you're absolutely right!!!
I wish IdrA commented on some of these.... but I think he's banned... or something... so I think I wish he quoted some of posts from TL in the "imbalanced show".... I'd love to hear what he has to say.
Except that there was no way Cruncher's economy was even with Idra's if he was going to commit to a 5 gate attack.
Remember: When Zerg scout a fast-expand, they have 2 choices, go attack to attempt to punish the Protoss for expanding early, or take a quick 3rd. Since Idra didn't attempt to attack, he should have a third and be scouting for the Protoss' tech. If he sees 5/6 gates, guess what? Make some spines/roaches/speedlings.
U take third when you scout a 6 gate and manage to get enough units out? Cool stuff, man! I think I want some lessons from you! IdrA should probably look into a session or two as well...
I hope you also realize that if toss sees a looot of units/spines he can just... not attack and go back to his base and tech, maybe take another base? He already did dmg he had to do by forcing a fuckton of useless defense without really doing anything insane...
But it's whatever. Cruncher is not even close to IdrA's skill level and that was clearly shown in first half of game 1 and throughout game 2. I was pretty shocked that Jinro lost to Morrow and IdrA couldn't beat cruncher btw... it's whatever tho.
GSL Korea vs World last night was epic as fuck! ^^
On March 28 2011 12:20 Shikyo wrote: Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16.
Yes, because queens, roaches and lings don't take supply. Did you check his saturation? Did that look overdroned? It was almost saturated... not quite... not overdroned by any means. Idra did make more units once he had the larva but since he lsot those roaches for free (forcefields) it didn't matter how many more units he made since it was half of what he coulda had if he fought on "even ground"...
Also I was stating that if he had made more units earlier he would have been underdroned. Also that fight would have been a lot closer if not for the forcefields... so basically zerg, who has to sacrifice drones to make fighting units, has to have double the amount of units (not exactly) to be able to beat this sort of attack simply because of forcefields... sure, it all makes perfect sense! IdrA is a baddie!
On March 28 2011 18:23 ambra wrote: acting unprofessionaly in a professional context is never justified: you look like another underaged prick and make your own team look ridiculous too.
Did you see Idra's trash talking in betwee the games? In most tournaments that would warrant penalty points that count towards a DQ. Cruncher's smiley was more than justified. Many people have schadenfreude about Idra's loss because his immaturity is catching up to him.
On March 28 2011 12:20 Shikyo wrote: Underdroned? Idra had like 70 drones at 10 minutes. He way OVERdroned, if he hadn't made those 7 drones and had made 14 lings or 7 roaches instead, he'd have been completely fine against that attack.
He made no crawlers either, no burrow, nothing. I'm not sure if you're expecting a Zerg who has 7 roaches and 12 lings ready to defeat a 40 supply Protoss army?
I really love the results of Idra vs Cruncher, and Mondragon's awesome play. Really looking forward to seeing Mondragon in the ro16.
Yes, because queens, roaches and lings don't take supply. Did you check his saturation? Did that look overdroned? It was almost saturated... not quite... not overdroned by any means. Idra did make more units once he had the larva but since he lsot those roaches for free (forcefields) it didn't matter how many more units he made since it was half of what he coulda had if he fought on "even ground"...
Also I was stating that if he had made more units earlier he would have been underdroned. Also that fight would have been a lot closer if not for the forcefields... so basically zerg, who has to sacrifice drones to make fighting units, has to have double the amount of units (not exactly) to be able to beat this sort of attack simply because of forcefields... sure, it all makes perfect sense! IdrA is a baddie!
Yes, it looked overdroned. It wasn't even 9 minutes into the game.
"Overdroning" is not the same thing as "oversaturating". If a terran 2rax rushes you and you have no units and full drone saturation on both of your bases and you lose, you overdroned.
Zerg also doesn't have to "lose" drones to make units, he can just keep making 2 drones at a time like a Protoss can, and also make 6-8 attacking units at a time. Most Zergs prefer getting a headstart with mass drones though, but that doesn't mean that they're getting behind when they start making only attacking units. They actually got an advantage by doing it that way.
Protoss army actually requires Force Fields to fight against a Zerg army on an even footing, otherwise they get completely crushed.
Zerg doesn't need double the amount of units, actually just a 1:1 ratio of Roach : Gateway units is more than enough to defend because of the quicker reinforcements. They also cost less, so I'm not sure what you're saying?