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Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
March 12 2011 16:45 GMT
#461
all the folks here acting like you need to be in top 200 to be able to talk about the game... think about the other sports, the caster is there mainly for general information and to entertain the viewers. i love all the casters invited to TSL

btw Chill what's your ladder rank ?
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
March 12 2011 16:57 GMT
#462
I'll give you a clue: I'm one of these: http://sc2ranks.com/search/exact/us/Chill
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drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
March 12 2011 17:03 GMT
#463
I really don't understand the Husky whinery. It almost seems that some people don't like him because he has too many subscribers, or that he is too mainstream or whatever. And nobody even seems to have valid arguments to support. Please watch the Day9/Husky dual cast for PAX and tell me honestly that it is bad and that you would rather put it on mute.

Why are some of the TL people acting like elitist spoiled children ? And I don't say that everybody should like Husky, but if you are going to not agree with the choice, please bring some evidence instead of the usual "uhuhu Husky no knowledge".
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
March 12 2011 17:08 GMT
#464
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

I apologise if I didn't sufficietly clarify that my post only displays my opinion on the matter. TSL is going to be great no matter what, I am merely of the opinion that it could be even better and hence voicing my concerns about something that, in my opinion, could be improved.
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Humdrum
Profile Joined July 2010
40 Posts
March 12 2011 17:15 GMT
#465
Husky and DjWheat will tell you that they don't have the game knowledge of the other casters. However, is it really necessary for all of the casters to have in-depth tactical knowledge of the game? In just about every sports cast on the planet you have the play-by-play(Husky, Wheat, Tasteless) and the color commentator(Day9, Artosis, Chill). Why is it with starcraft, there is this need for both casters to play both roles? Personally, I find that if you have to two analytical casters together, it can often lead to a rather dull cast. That balance between entertainment/excitement and in-depth analysis creates a better production.

Lotar
Profile Joined September 2010
132 Posts
March 12 2011 17:17 GMT
#466
Great map pool and casters that cover just about the widest spectrum of casting style I could think of. A+++ event in the making.
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 17:24:57
March 12 2011 17:24 GMT
#467
On March 13 2011 02:15 Humdrum wrote:
Husky and DjWheat will tell you that they don't have the game knowledge of the other casters. However, is it really necessary for all of the casters to have in-depth tactical knowledge of the game? In just about every sports cast on the planet you have the play-by-play(Husky, Wheat, Tasteless) and the color commentator(Day9, Artosis, Chill). Why is it with starcraft, there is this need for both casters to play both roles? Personally, I find that if you have to two analytical casters together, it can often lead to a rather dull cast. That balance between entertainment/excitement and in-depth analysis creates a better production.



Husky has too little knowledge. But that doesn't have to be an issue per se. The issue is that he rambles too fast, to the point where it's almost impossible to hear what he says. And he thinks it's the 'husky show' instead of sc2 commentary. There are much better options available.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
March 12 2011 17:30 GMT
#468
Everyone has an opinion they think is the only one, lol.
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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
March 12 2011 17:34 GMT
#469
On March 13 2011 02:30 Chill wrote:
Everyone has an opinion they think is the only one, lol.

plenty of people think the casters are great
they dont think their opinion is the only one
trust me, its not only you who can feel the hate
we disagree on details, but on TSL3 we agree it will be fun
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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
March 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#470
Watch Husky and Day[9] cast the Jinro vs Tyler games. Husky knows enough to commentate the game and he's good at giving Day[9] enough time to analyze the game (even if Husky doesn't do it purposely )
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
March 12 2011 17:58 GMT
#471
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

Thousands of people seem to paint their opinions like it was the only one, weird.. Maybe it just isn't? Maybe for a good reason?

Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

Sure there are people that just want to relax when watching a replay, but that's not worth inviting Husky and hence ruining the TSL for many people (at least for me it was quite an upset). But seriously, they can watch other stuff if they're not interested in high level stuff anyways.

You say you don't need great ingame knowledge to make an entertaining cast. Now it's you painting your opinion like it was the only one. IMO you do need excellent game understanding to be entertaining. For me it's not entertaining listening to stuff like "He's pulling probes off the line!!!" or "Currently there are 2 medivacs flying across the map" - saying "uhm" would contain the same amount of information given that you are not blind.

And about the stuff with pros casting. You did watch gsl 2 (I think it was), right? Where Tastosis dropped out and they had some korean guy casting together with some pros like IdrA etc. Those casts were amazing, although they've never cast before.

TL made the wrong decision in my opinion, but I guess I will just have to put up with it. Too bad.
Yotta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
March 12 2011 18:00 GMT
#472
On March 13 2011 01:57 Chill wrote:
I'll give you a clue: I'm one of these: http://sc2ranks.com/search/exact/us/Chill

rank 3 bronze, i see you've been practicing
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
March 12 2011 18:05 GMT
#473
On March 13 2011 02:58 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

I doubt you have watched a game cast by Husky in the last few months, except possibly Jinro vs Tyler. Husky will draw in more viewers, which is good for the scene. Besides this, even if his game knowledge isn't on par with Day9, Chill, or DjWheat, he has cast enough games to get a respectable amount of game knowledge. Its not like your listening to Husky cast every game by himself in any case. More than enough people have expressed their opinions of Husky, why not discuss the maps or something else related?
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 18:10:11
March 12 2011 18:09 GMT
#474
On March 13 2011 02:58 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

Thousands of people seem to paint their opinions like it was the only one, weird.. Maybe it just isn't? Maybe for a good reason?

Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

Sure there are people that just want to relax when watching a replay, but that's not worth inviting Husky and hence ruining the TSL for many people (at least for me it was quite an upset). But seriously, they can watch other stuff if they're not interested in high level stuff anyways.

You say you don't need great ingame knowledge to make an entertaining cast. Now it's you painting your opinion like it was the only one. IMO you do need excellent game understanding to be entertaining. For me it's not entertaining listening to stuff like "He's pulling probes off the line!!!" or "Currently there are 2 medivacs flying across the map" - saying "uhm" would contain the same amount of information given that you are not blind.

And about the stuff with pros casting. You did watch gsl 2 (I think it was), right? Where Tastosis dropped out and they had some korean guy casting together with some pros like IdrA etc. Those casts were amazing, although they've never cast before.

TL made the wrong decision in my opinion, but I guess I will just have to put up with it. Too bad.

Did you just try to discredit Husky by talking up a cast with Jason Lee? Jason Lee never even played the game and was perfectly able to run a good cast. Just unreasonable hate imo.
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decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
March 12 2011 18:16 GMT
#475
On March 13 2011 03:09 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 02:58 decaf wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

Thousands of people seem to paint their opinions like it was the only one, weird.. Maybe it just isn't? Maybe for a good reason?

Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

Sure there are people that just want to relax when watching a replay, but that's not worth inviting Husky and hence ruining the TSL for many people (at least for me it was quite an upset). But seriously, they can watch other stuff if they're not interested in high level stuff anyways.

You say you don't need great ingame knowledge to make an entertaining cast. Now it's you painting your opinion like it was the only one. IMO you do need excellent game understanding to be entertaining. For me it's not entertaining listening to stuff like "He's pulling probes off the line!!!" or "Currently there are 2 medivacs flying across the map" - saying "uhm" would contain the same amount of information given that you are not blind.

And about the stuff with pros casting. You did watch gsl 2 (I think it was), right? Where Tastosis dropped out and they had some korean guy casting together with some pros like IdrA etc. Those casts were amazing, although they've never cast before.

TL made the wrong decision in my opinion, but I guess I will just have to put up with it. Too bad.

Did you just try to discredit Husky by talking up a cast with Jason Lee? Jason Lee never even played the game and was perfectly able to run a good cast. Just unreasonable hate imo.

Jason Lee tried to be good at it, though. And people also knew he was just standing in for Tastosis so it wasn't that big of a deal, because eventually we'd get the better casters back. The guys he had with him, the pros, made up for the lack of game knowledge.
Out of the 4 casters you picked only one, Day9, got great game knowledge so I'm not sure how you gonna arrange it so that everyone feels satisfied. We'll see.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 12 2011 18:23 GMT
#476
On March 13 2011 02:58 decaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:13 Chill wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:06 dismiss wrote:
On March 13 2011 00:30 Chill wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:17 decaf wrote:
I'm kinda disappointed with the choice if the casters :/ (well, with one of em)
it would of been cool if they got a pro that didnt make it in to cast. or mabye even artosis, that would have been the highlight of the year, but whatever, qualitiy's not gonna be as high as I expected it to be, too bad :/

Like who? You're suggesting we get someone who is good at the game, but has never casted before, to cast?

Gretorp for example, or Incontroll, I'm sure there are people who have both indepth knowledge of the game and are decent at commentating. I can understand why TL wants more popular commentators (DjWheat) over others which would possibly provide a product more appealing to a crowd of people that is above average in terms of "skill", but really, why did you guys have to pick Husky?
I've admittedly only heard him cast once or twice, maybe it's due to my preference of a calmer style of casting, but the impression I got was that he's a beyond awful caster.

And there are people who don't need indepth knowledge of the game to make an entertaining cast. There are also people who don't need to hear indepth knowledge of the game. You prefer Gretorp, I prefer Husky.

Don't paint your opinion like it's the only one.

Why did we have to pick Husky? I'm not the TSL organizer, but I would assume they chose the 4 who they thought would give the best overall product.

Thousands of people seem to paint their opinions like it was the only one, weird.. Maybe it just isn't? Maybe for a good reason?

Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

Sure there are people that just want to relax when watching a replay, but that's not worth inviting Husky and hence ruining the TSL for many people (at least for me it was quite an upset). But seriously, they can watch other stuff if they're not interested in high level stuff anyways.

You say you don't need great ingame knowledge to make an entertaining cast. Now it's you painting your opinion like it was the only one. IMO you do need excellent game understanding to be entertaining. For me it's not entertaining listening to stuff like "He's pulling probes off the line!!!" or "Currently there are 2 medivacs flying across the map" - saying "uhm" would contain the same amount of information given that you are not blind.

And about the stuff with pros casting. You did watch gsl 2 (I think it was), right? Where Tastosis dropped out and they had some korean guy casting together with some pros like IdrA etc. Those casts were amazing, although they've never cast before.

TL made the wrong decision in my opinion, but I guess I will just have to put up with it. Too bad.


Husky isn't known for any of that. He is known as one of the most popular casters in all of eSports. People complain about his game knowledge and skill. His game knowledge is much better than he gets credit for. And about the bronze league viewership, one its much wider than that, and two, can't people in the bronze league watch the TSL3? I mean, isn't that a good thing, to get them interested in the pro scene? Maybe it will inspire them to be better, or to come to TL and join, or just get into the scene by watching more pro tournaments.

And what the fuck is he supposed to say when he's casting when probes get pulled off the line? Every fucking caster says the same things. Do you know the job of a caster? Have you watched any sport before. Guy strikes out in baseball and you here Joe Buck say he strikes out. Then they add analytical stuff in.

You don't need to be great at the game or have incredible game knowledge to be a caster. Was Joe Buck ever a great baseball or football player? Nope. Sure his knowledge is pretty good now after years of being in the booth, but he got there because he knows how to cast.
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
March 12 2011 18:27 GMT
#477
Husky is known for being bad at the game and lacking game knowledge. He's also known for his bronze league viewership and his rivalry with IdrA. The majority of TL though, as far as I can tell, has got quite a decent level of play and would prefer quality casters over bullshitting casters.

Sure there are people that just want to relax when watching a replay, but that's not worth inviting Husky and hence ruining the TSL for many people (at least for me it was quite an upset). But seriously, they can watch other stuff if they're not interested in high level stuff anyways.

Wow.
You can't be serious. Having 1 out of 4 casters whom you do not like is ruining the TSL?
Fuck. I hope you're not this demanding in real life.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 12 2011 18:46 GMT
#478
Was BiggerT not available?
drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 19:10:07
March 12 2011 19:08 GMT
#479
Ruining the TSL, how much of a joke is this statement. Like some kid at christmas, receiving 4 gifts and disliking one of them, then claiming that christmas is ruined.
quote unquote
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
March 12 2011 19:22 GMT
#480
I think the casting team is great and well-chosen. People need to realize the TSL is more than a tournament - it's also a show, and in order to keep a show exiting, you need entertainers. Chill and DJWheat are fantastic analytical casters, then they selected Husky for entertainment value, and Day[9] because he's probably the best all-around caster on the scene right now in terms of providing both fantastic analysis and great humor.

I'm not gonna lie though. I was really hoping for Stargirl T_T
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