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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On February 11 2010 12:15 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote: + other players no TSL gamers, that find out or know the results and they post them o forums? what kind of penalization they will have? cause this happend on terran vs infernal when the 3 game was begining. Please describe what happened exactly. | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On February 11 2010 00:46 HazMat wrote: TT1 was in irc during his match against White-Ra... true | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 13:25 Hot_Bid wrote: thats where we disagree. you can be unhappy with the result despite winning. you can also have intentions completely unrelated to the match.Its absurdly clear that someone posting "i played like shit, damnit don't watch the games" is spoiling. you can interprete his statements in a way that lets you think that he gave the results away, but you dont have to. i dont know why have to repeat that over and over. yes your actions are within the rules, you are the hosts of the event afterall. but the rules dont clearly require him to be punished for the statements he made, because these statements did not necessarily give away the results. i thought i articulated that cleary with each post i made, but apparently i didnt. i hope it is understood now, because im running out of ways to put it. User was warned for this post. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On February 11 2010 14:22 enzym wrote: thats where we disagree. you can be unhappy with the result despite winning. you can also have intentions completely unrelated to the match. you can interprete his statements in a way that lets you think that he gave the results away, but you dont have to. i dont know why have to repeat that over and over. yes your actions are within the rules, you are the hosts of the event afterall. but the rules dont clearly require him to be punished for the statements he made, because these statements did not necessarily give away the results. i thought i articulated that cleary with each post i made, but apparently i didnt. i hope it is understood now, because im running out of ways to put it. As I said, the statements don't have to definitively give away the entire score for it to be spoiling. Simply saying "Nony went DT drop against me" and "Nony broke my wall on outsider" without saying the outcome of the match is still spoiling. I don't know why I have to repeat that over and over... i'm running out of ways to put it These statements were made in a tone that is both condescending and disrespectful. They imply that you are lecturing from some higher position and we are the idiots who need you to explain how things work. Rather, you are the minority opinion among many who agree with how we handled the situation. You are certainly allowed to disagree, but continue posting in this manner and you will be banned. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On February 11 2010 14:22 enzym wrote: thats where we disagree. you can be unhappy with the result despite winning. "I'm just saying do not watch those fucking games, fucked up... [more expletives, grief, regret] ... fucking starcraft. I can't believe myself what has happened" You're telling me you can't tell from the tone that he lost? This isn't subtle at all. Edit: Added in quote because HB got in before me. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
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goswser
United States3548 Posts
tl decision approved +10 | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 14:40 Durak wrote: yes. you cant tell from those statements any result of the matches other than that tarson was not happy with it, and that therefor the decision made by the staff was not necessary according to the rules. it was within the rules, as they are the host of the event, but not necessary. that is what i have been trying to say from the beginning, but it seems like i somehow didnt manage to get that across very well.You're telling me you can't tell from the tone that he lost? | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:00 enzym wrote: yes. you cant tell from those statements any result of the matches other than that tarson was not happy with it, and that therefor the decision made by the staff was not necessary according to the rules. it was within the rules, as they are the host of the event, but not necessary. that is what i have been trying to say from the beginning, but it seems like i somehow didnt manage to get that across very well. Look dude. You've got your point across fine. Of course they don't have to punish anyone. Enforcement of the rules is always at the admins discretion. But it is so abundantly clear that he spoiled the games. He agrees he did and so does everyone else. It's fine you don't think so but I'd say 50% of people posting think it's a fitting punishment and 49% think it's lenient. And then there's you. So stop telling Hot_Bid he's wrong. Jesus, it's a free to watch tournament put on by people volunteering their time. It's surreal listening to you and others (like the observer complaint thread) swiping at the admins/staff. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:06 Subversive wrote: wtf.. of course they can do what they want and im not complaining, just pointing out that it was not inevitable and that i dont support this decision and therefor wont watch forthcoming matches despite having anticipated them a lot. i dont know why people make such a big deal out of it myself when you say that im like 1% of the viewership. so why bother?Look dude. You've got your point across fine. Of course they don't have to punish anyone. Enforcement of the rules is always at the admins discretion. But it is so abundantly clear that he spoiled the games. He agrees he did and so does everyone else. It's fine you don't think so but I'd say 50% of people posting think it's a fitting punishment and 49% think it's lenient. And then there's you. So stop telling Hot_Bid he's wrong. Jesus, it's a free to watch tournament put on by people volunteering their time. It's surreal listening to you and others (like the observer complaint thread) swiping at the admins/staff. so it must be about the argument, which i have been trying to resolve. of course people can be spoiled by it, but i say that this is the fault of those people and not tarsons, because his statements leave enough room for other explanations depending on his personality and motivations. i know id still want to see for myself why he was so upset while expecting a loss in the back of my head, but also knowing that that statement didnt rule out a win. it would just be my interpretation. if at all it would make me more curious. im just arguing because people attack the integrity of my point. i said in my second post that there is nothing for me to argue about and i certainly wouldnt start a thread to complain about stuff. the thread was already here and i only intended to voice my disagreement with the decision and thats the end of it. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:12 enzym wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2010 15:06 Subversive wrote: wtf.. of course they can do what they want and im not complaining, just pointing out that it was not inevitable and that i dont support this decision and therefor wont watch forthcoming matches despite having anticipated them a lot. i dont know why people make such a big deal out of it myself when you say that im like 1% of the viewership. so why bother?Look dude. You've got your point across fine. Of course they don't have to punish anyone. Enforcement of the rules is always at the admins discretion. But it is so abundantly clear that he spoiled the games. He agrees he did and so does everyone else. It's fine you don't think so but I'd say 50% of people posting think it's a fitting punishment and 49% think it's lenient. And then there's you. So stop telling Hot_Bid he's wrong. Jesus, it's a free to watch tournament put on by people volunteering their time. It's surreal listening to you and others (like the observer complaint thread) swiping at the admins/staff. so it must be about the argument, which i have been trying to resolve. of course people can be spoiled by it, but i say that this is the fault of those people and not tarsons, because his statements leave enough room for other explanations depending on his personality and motivations. i know id still want to see for myself why he was so upset while expecting a loss in the back of my head, but also knowing that that statement didnt rule out a win. it would just be my interpretation. if at all it would make me more curious. im just arguing because people attack the integrity of my point. i said in my second post that there is nothing for me to argue about and i certainly wouldnt start a thread to complain about stuff. the thread was already here and i only intended to voice my disagreement with the decision and thats the end of it. Yeah you're definitely not complaining or arguing. Just keep bitching about it and get yourself temp banned. That's obviously what you're after. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:00 enzym wrote: yes. you cant tell from those statements any result of the matches other than that tarson was not happy with it I disagree. Let's do an analysis, shall we? "I'm just saying do not watch those fucking games." This statement implies that they are bad games. One would only say to not watch games if they were bad. The swearing adds emphasis. "fucking games, fucked up... [more expletives, grief, regret] ... fucking starcraft." Rampant swearing. This is characteristic of someone who is more than "not happy." He's fucking furious. "I can't believe myself what has happened." What could be unexpected? We can infer that the bad games were unexpected. Who expects bad games in the Ro8 in a 10k tourny? Why were the games bad? Because either Tarson or his opponent played poorly. 1. One of the players played poorly resulting in "bad games." 2. One of the players is furious enough to rampantly swear on a forum. 3*. One of the players is posting it, in heat of passion, before the games are even casted I wonder which one lost.+ Show Spoiler + Tarson Edit: I'm even going to try and clarify it some more. 3* is the context. Tarson posted this before the games were aired. What would Taron's purpose be of posting this if he had won? To tell people that the games were so poorly played by his opponent that they aren't worth watching? Almost no winner would ever say that because everyone loves being appreciated and few people are that dick-like to their opponents. In addition, why would he be swearing so often if he had won? You can also infer all of this even easier if he know his character (as everyone on his forum would). | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
+ stating u wont watch further tsl games because of this decision is a) letting u look like a total idiot ( no offense ! ) or b) being tarson who is mad with a) being the more likely option I think the decision is fine. Actually it depends on HOW strictly and clearly the players were informed about how important it is not to spoil anything. I mean if Im a tsl participant and I know that spoiling things is putting me at a big risk of losing my earned money the first thing I will do after playing my games is to log out of battle net and not do anything sc/bw related until the games have been broadcasted. But I want to emphazie in order to do that I have to KNOW how important this '' not even a slight spoiler '' issue is ! Thus i really hope the admins / people in charge of tsl will again warn the participants and remind them of the fact that keeping the scores for themselves is really really important.. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:12 enzym wrote: wtf.. of course they can do what they want and im not complaining, just pointing out that it was not inevitable and that i dont support this decision and therefor wont watch forthcoming matches despite having anticipated them a lot. i dont know why people make such a big deal out of it myself when you say that im like 1% of the viewership. so why bother? so it must be about the argument, which i have been trying to resolve. of course people can be spoiled by it, but i say that this is the fault of those people and not tarsons, because his statements leave enough room for other explanations depending on his personality and motivations. i know id still want to see for myself why he was so upset while expecting a loss in the back of my head, but also knowing that that statement didnt rule out a win. it would just be my interpretation. if at all it would make me more curious. im just arguing because people attack the integrity of my point. i said in my second post that there is nothing for me to argue about and i certainly wouldnt start a thread to complain about stuff. the thread was already here and i only intended to voice my disagreement with the decision and thats the end of it. What do you think rules are for? So that people can just break them whenever they feel like it? He's lucky TL are so lenient. This could easily be a ban from future tournaments too. Why would you want someone in a tournament who doesn't seem to respect the opportunity he's been given? Playing in the TSL is a massive privilege. Many have given up lots of their free time to do this and it deserves respect. Abiding by the rules IS PART of the tournament. It's not just about playing SC you also have to follow some VERY SIMPLE rules. When you show blatant disrespect for your opponent, the tournament and everyone who is excited about the games; you're giving two fingers to the opportunity you were lucky to have in the first place. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
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