EPT[TSL] Tarson Penalized For Leaking Results - Page 5
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igLeX
Canada140 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 07:17 AtomicReaction wrote: Are you soft in the head? Not only did he spoil his matches (Unless gratuitous rage and cursing is how they celebrate victory in Poland) he blatantly told people not to watch. Do you understand the concept of sponsorship? Sponsors pay people to run events so that the viewership will -increase-. If the outcome of a match is known, and people are told not to watch, viewership -decreases-. Following this logic, the sponsor would not like this, and would maybe not sponsor an event in the future. They even say in the post that they did this to make sure people understand the severity of the offense. Jesus, put something on the internet and you are guaranteed to find some idiot who wants to whine about it. i guess TL has principles that vastly differ from mine. yes i do understand "sponsorship" and what i see here reminds me of the corporate rule that is steering america. he did not spoil the results, and telling people not to watch the matches is his personal opinion everyone should be able to have and voice according to what is known as free speech. it is an opinion, nothing else. the effect of this on the viewership, as much as it might suck for TSL, simply doesnt matter. the rules arent clear enough to require him to be punished, so it becomes a matter of interpretation and in my opinion this goes way overboard. ill say it again; it seems that TLs principles simply differ from mine - a lot - and im not willing to support that. now you can stop caring, because the purpose of this thread after the OP is for people to voice their opinions, but beyond that mine doesnt really concern anyone. at least i dont need to discuss it any further. | ||
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Myrkul
Croatia132 Posts
On February 11 2010 05:55 Waxangel wrote: this sounds more wise for some reason because of the incorrect grammar LOL | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On February 11 2010 08:12 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote: i thinks is kinnda unfair to Tarson cause i saw other TSL players spoiler his results in that way. not giving the results or something but just expresing his anger or joy so we figure out who was the winner. If the results are spoiled in some place, then please let us know about it. Tarson was someone who posted it in a way that we could verify, but we welcome other forms of proof of people leaking results in advance, too. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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baller
527 Posts
On February 11 2010 07:38 enzym wrote: i guess TL has principles that vastly differ from mine. yes i do understand "sponsorship" and what i see here reminds me of the corporate rule that is steering america. he did not spoil the results, and telling people not to watch the matches is his personal opinion everyone should be able to have and voice according to what is known as free speech. it is an opinion, nothing else. the effect of this on the viewership, as much as it might suck for TSL, simply doesnt matter. the rules arent clear enough to require him to be punished, so it becomes a matter of interpretation and in my opinion this goes way overboard. ill say it again; it seems that TLs principles simply differ from mine - a lot - and im not willing to support that. now you can stop caring, because the purpose of this thread after the OP is for people to voice their opinions, but beyond that mine doesnt really concern anyone. at least i dont need to discuss it any further. A = ppl that dont watch bc players keep spoiling bc no punishment B = ppl like u who stop watching because of $100 penalty A > B so its still right choice correct? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28797 Posts
telling your gf is probably safe telling your best real life friend who doesnt play starcraft is probably safe telling your best bw buddy and specifying that he absolutely cant tell anyone else is probably safe telling your friend list is most likely not safe at all posting on a forum is probably the worst way of going about it.. and well, the only way to be completely certain, as one generally cannot trust people 100%, is to just not tell anyone at all. keeping a secret for a couple days with between hundreds and thousands of dollars on the line really should be managable.. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
To the guy arguing that this rule is unclear, Tarson even admitted himself that he spoiled the results. Its obvious that saying "wow i played like shit i cant believe what happened, don't watch my games" is 100% a spoiler. Just because he didn't specifically say "I lost" doesn't mean its outside the scope of the rule. This is just common sense. | ||
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PiePie
United States248 Posts
However I am glad he apologized so I think the punishment fits | ||
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
 " that cost 125 dollars | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 08:50 Hot_Bid wrote: its not outside the scope of the rule, but the rule also doesnt absolutely require the punishment.Just because he didn't specifically say "I lost" doesn't mean its outside the scope of the rule. This is just common sense. the situation, according to the rules, is not clear. that is a fact that cannot be argued about. there is as much room for you to justify the outcome as there is for me to not respect you for it. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On February 11 2010 09:26 enzym wrote: its not outside the scope of the rule, but the rule also doesnt absolutely require the punishment. the situation, according to the rules, is not clear. that is a fact that cannot be argued about. there is as much room for you to justify the outcome as there is for me to not respect you for it. The rules we sent him (and other players) via e-mail were crystal clear on this. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On February 11 2010 09:26 enzym wrote: its not outside the scope of the rule, but the rule also doesnt absolutely require the punishment. the situation, according to the rules, is not clear. that is a fact that cannot be argued about. there is as much room for you to justify the outcome as there is for me to not respect you for it. I don't know how you can say something is "a fact that cannot be argued about" when 90% of everyone else believes the exact opposite of what you think. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
On February 11 2010 08:30 Trap wrote: With all the various bans and penalties they should have marketed this as TSL2: Judgement Day... I think "TSL2 - Test of Skill and Character" is more accurate. I feel sorry for Tarson. It's easy to understand how he'd feel. He's an excellent player, wasn't able to give his best performance, and lost his chance at 10k. However, you should be able to handle your grief with money on the line and clear rules. | ||
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
It's a lose-lose all around imo. I really hope there are no more penalties from the TSL and everything runs smoothly from here out. I really love this tournament. | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 11 2010 09:44 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't know how you can say something is "a fact that cannot be argued about" when 90% of everyone else believes the exact opposite of what you think. facts arent decided by majority vote. for you as one of the admins to voice a view such as this is just more reason for me to stay away from this place. fact: tarson didnt directly spoil the results. the people who believe he did chose to do so (interpretation). unless the rules stated that all actions of a player must not be interpretable in such a way, by noone, the situation was vague enough. and if they stated that then anyone can come along and claim to have been spoiled as he sees fit, which does noone justice. i certainly hope that you are just trying to troll and dont honestly believe what you said. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On February 11 2010 12:30 enzym wrote: facts arent decided by majority vote. for you as one of the admins to voice a view such as this is just more reason for me to stay away from this place. fact: tarson didnt directly spoil the results. the people who believe he did chose to do so (interpretation). Our rule didn't say only "directly spoiling" would be punished. Also, every single rule has to be interpreted. There will always be situations where administrators have to make judgments. Here, it's not even a close situation -- its absolutely clear that he violated the rules, so much so that even Tarson himself eventually admitted this. unless the rules stated that all actions of a player must not be interpretable in such a way, by noone, the situation was vague enough. and if they stated that then anyone can come along and claim to have been spoiled as he sees fit, which does noone justice. I don't understand. Are you arguing that someone who describes the exact happenings in a game, like "he eliminated all my buildings" but does not say "I lost" makes the situation vague? Because its accepted by everyone that a player can spoil a result without outright stating the exact score. I can think of a million situations where someone spoils the results but does not outright state it: 1. Describe exactly what happened in the game 2. Say how many times you GG'd first 3. Stream the entire game on livestream except for the very end 4. Post about how you are wondering what strategy Nony will use next round 5. Congratulate Nony for playing better than you etc etc. All these would be "vague" under your ridiculous standard of interpreting our rule. Its absurdly clear that someone posting "i played like shit, damnit don't watch the games" is spoiling. There's no question there -- it's accepted by everyone but you. i certainly hope that you are just trying to troll and dont honestly believe what you said. It's obvious all our staff are being 100% serious in this thread. You also made a baseless accusation about us "stealing" Tarson's money -- it's not his money until he lives up to the deal of not spoiling, not leaking replays, etc. Punishing a player for a rule violation is not stealing, and as we said, we're not keeping it (donating to charity). You also made another accusation that we would not have imposed the same punishment if Tarson was an American player. This is simply not true, we treat all players equally. Don't post like this anymore. Consider this a warning. | ||
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