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United States4991 Posts
On February 11 2010 18:20 Aim Here wrote:
Hmmm, couldn't some suitably devious and malicious individual find 3 relatively obscure Starcraft-related forums, then create an account, with the name of, say, 'Idra', and making one post of the form 'Idra vs Nony TSL result: 3-0! You heard it here first!', for each score, then leak the one with the correct score to TSL admin, after the match, deleting the 'wrong' ones as soon as possible?
We don't just lurch off half-cocked on any rumor about players spoiling results without first checking the veracity of the claim.
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Ideas like those are better being unspoken.. they might feed some trolls
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Nicely done by you guys. I think though (sorry tarson) that all the money should be donated to charity!
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Norway28906 Posts
On February 11 2010 15:12 enzym wrote:
so it must be about the argument, which i have been trying to resolve. of course people can be spoiled by it, but i say that this is the fault of those people and not tarsons, because his statements leave enough room for other explanations depending on his personality and motivations. i know id still want to see for myself why he was so upset while expecting a loss in the back of my head, but also knowing that that statement didnt rule out a win. it would just be my interpretation. if at all it would make me more curious.
I am terribly sorry but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life.
you are actually saying that someone writing "I played like fucking shit, don't watch the games, fucking fuck fuck starcraft god damnit" makes you MORE curious as to what the result was or what the games were like? there is absolutely NO room for interpretation as to who ended up winning here.. the only factor of excitement left after reading this is "in what way did tarson fuck up, did he fuck up once or twice or three times and did he lose 0-3 1-3 or 2-3". NOBODY would EVER write his post after winning the series.
at first in this thread you were upset because you claimed we were stealing his money. this is pretty dumb - we are not stealing it but donating it to charity, and it is not "his" money because he broke a very clearly formulated rule. (all players have been informed several times that any sort of spoiling of results may result in any punishment we see fit - reduction or complete removal of prize money one of these. this is something ALL players have been told. ) if you have some sort of construction job and you first spend your day building whatever for then at the end of the day to destroy whatever you built, you will not be deserving of money and you will be lucky to get half of it.
Don't get me wrong - stating that the punishment is harsh and not necessary - that the message would have gotten across without monetary punishment of the first offense, or any variant of these, is fair enough. but the way you hyperbole makes you seem like a complete lunatic.
stating that it wouldnt have happened if it was idra or nony or some other big player, also ridiculous. we have already banned f91, yosh, dimaga, a2 and several other players - these are all VERY big names on the scene.
it's like, you start out writing something ridiculous, when this gets refuted you alter your position into something even more ridiculous.. at first we were stealing his money, now he didn't spoil the result and was actually increasing viewership because one player stating that people shouldn't bother watching makes it more excitable?? jesus christ man, go for a walk, reread your posts, ask someone proficient in english and german to translate your posts to german, take a break or whatever. you are so far out of your element here because I can't remember being as frustrated due to lack of sense made since iszard was part of the community.
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How can his arguments make sense, when he is trying to defend someone who is clearly at fault. Enzym, it's time to shut up, yeah - really.
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I think it's pointless to try to explain things to some of these people- they're either really dumb, or just trolls.
Taking half his prize money seems to be the perfect solution; it sends a message that this kind of thing can't be tolerated, while at the same time, Tarson still gets compensated for all he's done for this tournament. Donating the money to charity is a great way to use that money.
Kudos TL
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I have only one complain, I dont think the money shouldnt be donated to charity.
Teamliquid needs that money to be the most amazing BW portal ever, and the only charity I want to see being done with that money is if it goes into TL team's pocket.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On February 12 2010 02:57 D10 wrote:
I have only one complain, I dont think the money shouldnt be donated to charity.
Teamliquid needs that money to be the most amazing BW portal ever, and the only charity I want to see being done with that money is if it goes into TL team's pocket.
Thanks for your compliment, but we decided to donate the $125 to charity because we want to show that we are unbiased in this punishment decision. If TL kept the money, someone could argue that we wanted to punish Tarson so that we could keep his prize, but that's simply not the case. There were times before when tournaments didn't fully pay out their prizes due to shady or corrupt administrative decisions, and we don't want to be grouped with those. Thus, the charity donation leaves no doubt that we are 100% penalizing him to protect the TSL broadcast in the future, not to pad our own pockets. Of course, we will post proof that we actually donated the money once we decide on a charity.
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The players earn their prizes not only because they win, but because they generate a quality product for our advertisers.
Quality product are the key words here - Tarson knew his fuck up wasn't ordinary and that he wasn't going to get any ordinary comments about it.
You are treating it as if this happened here or on gosugamers but it didn't - this is what I tried to convey in my blog yesterday and I am doing now.
On February 11 2010 08:21 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2010 08:12 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote:
i thinks is kinnda unfair to Tarson cause i saw other TSL players spoiler his results in that way. not giving the results or something but just expresing his anger or joy so we figure out who was the winner.
we welcome other forms of proof of people leaking results in advance, too.
Using my example I can assure you nobody will ever try to prove any kind of leaks again.
I'm not "basically feeling bad" about this as Kennigit summarized 3 pages of my blog.
My identity as a person who translated it was revealed almost instantly and now the only demographic affected by what Tarson wrote is hardcore bashing me - you would assume the same people he supposedly spoiled would agree with you!
For me this is not just about spoiling who won - the only thing spoiled; exact result of that match wasn't spoiled.
I am less bothered about your decision to penalize Tarson than I am bothered and upset about lynch targetted at me that is going on right now.
I hope you are going to ACTIVELY SEARCH for any leaks in the future instead of relying on kind denunciations. You are treating this seriously after all.
I don't know what is the purpose of live report threads if something posted after cast as a comment and kind of as an apology for bad performance is being treated as a spoiler affecting majority of the spectators before cast. What Tarson did was a minor offence.
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On February 10 2010 16:38 MorroW wrote:
to charity? screw charity, make a small tsl competition like before, guessing the bracket or best commentary etc
the little money we actually have in the sc scene shouldnt just be given away o,o
WTF?
The money was well deserve to Tarson but he make a mistake...
So why the fuck TSL should give "Tarson money" to the others players of TSL?
Send to charity and help somebody that is not a nerd or even know that word...
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Seems like there is this weird idea that the TSL is "just for fun", like it's a shits and giggles tournament and it's totally casual. That's an insult to the TSL.
The TSL is a serious competition for foreign StarCraft players with high stakes and I'll be damned if the admins pussy their way around the rules for "fun". Same with people bitching about cheaters being disqualified. This isn't a LAN at your friends house. This is the goddamned TeamLiquid StarLeague. STARLEAGUE.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Beetalisk, i would just let it go...
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I'm not questioning your need to react once you know about something potentially damaging your work and everything you want to achieve by it.
fuck... I am seriously going to pay for this no matter what. Not necessarily to Tarson, he didn't send me any message today yet.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Why don't you just relax? It. Had. Nothing. To. Do. With. You. Telling. Us. We. Saw. It. And. Had. Multiple. Sources. Confirm.
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A bit lenient but definitely a fair decision. I'm surprised the TSL admins are getting so much grief over this, particularly since Tarson himself knew the potential consequences and still agreed he leaked.
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Kennigit, he might believe that, but apparently the entire Polish starcraft community is bashing him or something?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
beetlelisk don't listen to kennigit. Self immolation is the only form of repentance acceptable once an atrocity of this level has been committed.
If you don't do it what example are you setting for future polish bloggers?
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Społeczności polskiej Yo. Mam moli całej swojej społeczności - uspokaja proszę frajerów.
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On February 12 2010 06:32 beetlelisk wrote:
I'm not questioning your need to react once you know about something potentially damaging your work and everything you want to achieve by it.
fuck... I am seriously going to pay for this no matter what. Not necessarily to Tarson, he didn't send me any message today yet.
Goddamn. That's harsh man. I guess it really sucks that you couldn't just make a new account or deal with the fact that your polish countrymen are acting like 10 year olds.
Wait a minute, you could do both of those things!
Besides no one on TL cares what you did, and TL is way cooler than any polish 4chan knockoff.
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Not only 50% but the whole prize should be donated to a charity.
Nevertheless, Well done teamliquid
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