EPTGG.net bans all TSL2 abusers for six months - Page 11
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white
Korea (North)62 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On December 19 2009 20:57 white wrote: What is stopping these players to simply smurf their way into future events or competition? Are abusers ip-banned or what? In very short: the anti smurf policy. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3505 Posts
I made a BIG mistake and I really feel like an idiot now. Sarens and Tuzer have been removed from France A I apologize for my stupid initial reaction, particularly to WGT and France A staff. Merry Xmas and happy new year to all of you btw  | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/rankings/927 He pretty much ruined one year of cws vs Lrm) hacking in both 1v1 and 2v2. 6 months sentence too ? If someone should have been life banned it is him. I'm ok for 6 months ban for abusers but seriously this guy deserves more. | ||
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TaG]SiG
United Kingdom53 Posts
prehaps a period of 'community service' could be arranged with a review at the end of [insert period] months. Players wishing to lessen their sentence (e.g. banned from TSLs, not permabanned from TL) could do community beneficial things such as streaming & involvement in initiatives such as the D- - D+ groups with a teacher. Also gives players with big regrets to righten their rep. I foresee banning from all future TSL's (but not all TL events) and perma or long-period bans from TL. I hope to god it doesn't include a ban from iccup. | ||
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
On December 19 2009 22:29 Boblion wrote: I don't want to be mean with GG.net but why this guy is still allowed on their site ? http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/rankings/927 He pretty much ruined one year of cws vs Lrm) hacking in both 1v1 and 2v2. 6 months sentence too ? If someone should have been life banned it is him. I'm ok for 6 months ban for abusers but seriously this guy deserves more. He's not even on our blacklist among offenders or past offenders. I'll check him up as well as I can, but it's very hard to make a system that works in retrospect, and doesn't get out of control. We don't give maphackers 6 months, they get one year on first offense. On second offense they get a life time ban. Read my PM to you, I'll try to find out as much as I can, and if I find enough he'll probably be added to "past offenders", meaning next offense is a permban. Reason we most likely won't ban is because we really can't take action against stuff that happened a long time ago. But as I said, I'll see what I can do. Edit: Robertito is apparantly the same as Executor. Executor was banned for one year after being caught in the first TSL, then released after his one year ban. If he's ever caught again he'll have lifte time ban. | ||
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white
Korea (North)62 Posts
On December 19 2009 22:47 TaG]SiG wrote: i agree with being harsh on abusers and even if its not practical im gna throw this idea out there: prehaps a period of 'community service' could be arranged with a review at the end of [insert period] months. Players wishing to lessen their sentence (e.g. banned from TSLs, not permabanned from TL) could do community beneficial things such as streaming & involvement in initiatives such as the D- - D+ groups with a teacher. Also gives players with big regrets to righten their rep. I foresee banning from all future TSL's (but not all TL events) and perma or long-period bans from TL. I hope to god it doesn't include a ban from iccup. Force them into playing 1v1s vs Combat-ex until he reaches C-rank without abusing... | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On December 20 2009 00:09 white wrote: Force them into playing 1v1s vs Combat-ex until he reaches C-rank without abusing... trust me, this is against the constitution | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
I particularly dont care of people who are "stars" because exactly for that reason they shouldnt be abusing. It is sad that they thought about it in the first place but they have to attain for their consequences now. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On December 20 2009 03:38 tonight wrote: I really don't think these guys should be blacklisted from the whole BW community which it sounds like most of you want. For the most part these guys are legit and skilled players who have been around the game for many years. Yes, their actions need to be punished, but we should not just cut them off from the community all together. So basically you say: "cheaters/abusers are welcome as long as there are around for al long time and are skilled", or did I get you wrong? | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On December 20 2009 03:38 tonight wrote: I really don't think these guys should be blacklisted from the whole BW community which it sounds like most of you want. For the most part these guys are legit and skilled players who have been around the game for many years. Yes, their actions need to be punished, but we should not just cut them off from the community all together. People like you are exactly why the tournament had so many abusers. Because in the past, they could get away with it with a slap on the wrist. They need to learn sometime. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Maybe something for TSL3? I do feel they should be punnished since they abused in a moneytournament, but a lifetime ban might be too harsh... | ||
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
Sure it might be a good idea to set up policies that everyone is aware of, but not announcing it beforehand is no reason not to take powerful measures. If you don't abuse or cheat, you don't get in to trouble. It's as simple as that. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On December 20 2009 05:16 StylishVODs wrote: I do feel they should be punnished since they abused in a moneytournament, but a lifetime ban might be too harsh... I don't think a lifetime ban would be too harsh. The problem with money tournaments is that the prize is large enough to tempt people into behaviors they know are wrong. I guarantee you not one of those caught abusing thought that what they were doing was legitimate, right or fair. From a simple game-theoretic perspective, the most straightforward way to minimize abuse is a lifetime ban. Make the cost of abuse, if caught, so prohibitively high that you remove the temptation for the majority of those who would otherwise consider it. For those who are still willing to try their hand at it, by banning them as they are detected the community has the twofold benefit of having one more incorrigible abuser removed from the player pool and further strengthening the deterrent to future potential abuse. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On December 20 2009 05:16 StylishVODs wrote: I would really have liked to see some kind of statement from the TSL Staff before the ladder started where they stated what kind of punnishments would be dealt out for abusing etc. Maybe something for TSL3? I do feel they should be punnished since they abused in a moneytournament, but a lifetime ban might be too harsh... Biggest problem in this matter is that the rules do state what the consequences are: "We reserve the right to disqualify users for any violation of these rules." The rules do not state any other penalties. If the staff plays by the rules set by themselves there should be no other consequences regarding the tournament. I do think that just to disqualify the cheaters is not enough. But too harsh penalties like lifetime bans should also be out of the question. | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
On December 20 2009 06:07 korona wrote: Biggest problem in this matter is that the rules do state what the consequences are: "We reserve the right to disqualify users for any violation of these rules." The rules do not state any other penalties. If the staff plays by the rules set by themselves there should be no other consequences regarding the tournament. I do think that just to disqualify the cheaters is not enough. But too harsh penalties like lifetime bans should also be out of the question. Why do people continue to talk about this within the framework of the TSL rules? The OP of this thread is about GG.net banning TSL abusers. This is external to TSL. It is the SC community as a whole rejecting cheaters completely. They have revealed themselves to be shitty people that have no respect for this passion that we all share. We don't want them in our tournaments, we don't want them in our forums. I personally hope for lifetime bans from TL for all TSL abusers and for cheaters uncovered in any tournaments going forwards. The SC scene is set to explode when SC2 arrives. Now is the perfect time to send a crystal clear message that this community is about honest competition, integrity, respect and does not tolerate any bullshit. | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On December 20 2009 07:29 mucker wrote: Why do people continue to talk about this within the framework of the TSL rules? The OP of this thread is about GG.net banning TSL abusers. This is external to TSL. It is the SC community as a whole rejecting cheaters completely. They have revealed themselves to be shitty people that have no respect for this passion that we all share. We don't want them in our tournaments, we don't want them in our forums. I personally hope for lifetime bans from TL for all TSL abusers and for cheaters uncovered in any tournaments going forwards. The SC scene is set to explode when SC2 arrives. Now is the perfect time to send a crystal clear message that this community is about honest competition, integrity, respect and does not tolerate any bullshit. While I agree completely with you we must admit that 1) it is not an easy job and 2) it is also good to give second chances. But it is good that we note that the stance taken is from GG.net and we are still expecting what is TL's punishment in this instance to see how severe is going to be for the cheaters next to come. | ||
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korona
1098 Posts
On December 20 2009 07:29 mucker wrote: Why do people continue to talk about this within the framework of the TSL rules? The OP of this thread is about GG.net banning TSL abusers. This is external to TSL. It is the SC community as a whole rejecting cheaters completely. They have revealed themselves to be shitty people that have no respect for this passion that we all share. We don't want them in our tournaments, we don't want them in our forums. I personally hope for lifetime bans from TL for all TSL abusers and for cheaters uncovered in any tournaments going forwards. The SC scene is set to explode when SC2 arrives. Now is the perfect time to send a crystal clear message that this community is about honest competition, integrity, respect and does not tolerate any bullshit. Original topic was indeed about the supporting action made by the GosuGamers. If I understood correctly, most writers here liked that decision, even if some though it was not harsh enough. After the TL staff announced in this thread that there will be more penalties for the cheaters, the discussion shifted more to what those actions should be. People talk about this in the context of TSL rules, as this is about cheating in TSL. And to my understanding TSL staff in this case is a synonym to TL staff. We all want honest competition. We all want to make the community stronger. Thus rules how to deal this kind of matters should be written and made public (not necessarily every detail). It is never a good thing, if disciplinary actions are decided after something happens and behind closed doors. Some people will always make 'boneheaded' decisions (cheat) even if there are rules. If the rules are clear and are put into action when somebody breaks them, people will hopefully think twice before cheating. | ||
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blue_arrow
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