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Rabbet
Canada404 Posts
I just want a fair game.. =( Here is another idea, sticky the names and description of the abuse to the top of the Broodwar forum after the tournement is over...for about a year. teamliquid.net/forum/gallows Might serve as a nice reminder that the community takes fair play seriously. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
It's a fair compromise. /signed | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On December 19 2009 05:35 WGT-Baal wrote: They should be banned from every TL.net tournament! Obviously though I think gg.net shouldnt do anything (sorry for thinking that, but i consider this less "bad" than a maphack for instance) I posted on GG.net and wasnt very clear but i dont care what they think there, whereas i do care about TL members' opinion: I m not defending those players, what they did was clear abuse and they deserve to be banned from TL.net, i d even say for more than just the tournaments! I kinda agree with this. I can't really put into words how I feel about this... I mean GG.net can do whatever they want but it just seems like they're trying to kiss ass right now.... | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On December 18 2009 13:54 Manifesto7 wrote: How many times do you see a group of people willing to organize and put on entertainment for thousands, as well as giving a chance for some young men to win 10k, for absolutely no compensation in return? I would say not very fucking often. So fuck you abusers. You don't deserve any more front page headlines. On with the show. agree | ||
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Attritive
United States68 Posts
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
On December 19 2009 11:48 Amber[LighT] wrote: I kinda agree with this. I can't really put into words how I feel about this... I mean GG.net can do whatever they want but it just seems like they're trying to kiss ass right now.... whose ass? They were found to be cheaters, and they were punished for it. If someone cheats in BWCL or iCCCL they will get not only banned from BWCL but also from gosugamers. It's not unreasonable, you get punished regardless of where you did it. A. We don't want people that are cheaters to be playing in our tournaments B. We want people to be discouraged to do things like this, and if people know the consequences they are less likely to cheat, thus making the community a better place for all. As for punishments regarding maphacking, it is all situational although many players have been permabanned from gosugamers for hacking. | ||
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
SC2GG sees a huge influx of high level players lolz | ||
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Vanimar
220 Posts
Main reason for starcraft being so awesome is the balance, so if you dont punish people who try to shift in in their favor, what is the point of playing? I still like the abusers I liked before, some of the styles they play are just fun to watch and I'm sad I wont get to see them more often in the future, but I can live with that rather then with people cheating, abusing or shifting favor in any way other then winning in the game. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
On December 19 2009 15:36 cgrinker wrote: Newsflash: SC2GG sees a huge influx of high level players lolz My thoughts exactly hahaha. I agree with a nice long ban duration, maybe let them come back into the community in a couple of years (lol), but it still makes me sad to see respected players like yosh and DIMAGA do this kind of shit  | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On December 19 2009 15:36 cgrinker wrote: Newsflash: SC2GG sees a huge influx of high level players lolz lol. just lol but im glad to see TL and GG stepping up against cheaters and abusers | ||
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ELESSAR
Bulgaria173 Posts
On December 19 2009 11:48 Amber[LighT] wrote: I kinda agree with this. I can't really put into words how I feel about this... I mean GG.net can do whatever they want but it just seems like they're trying to kiss ass right now.... So your idea is that you can compete in the world cup even if they caught you cheating in european cup? | ||
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Success in these dark times | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
On December 19 2009 16:34 cgrinker wrote: I made a funny that made two people lol! Success in these dark times Make that three lolololol. I'm curious what TL's punishments will be. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On December 19 2009 05:39 NiGoL wrote: you are wrong. how dare you compare TL to gosugamers. we routed them in a showmatch dammit AND we are a million times cooler.i think many people that use TL.net uses GG.net also? am i wrong? also, i remember people debating the same thing about clazz being perma-banned for hacking. as the largest starcraft community, TL should take the harshest stance in order to severely discourage abusing in future events. it has to be done, even if it means we have to 'sacrifice' some stars along the way. it's their fault for abusing and they should take full responsibility for it. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
The main problem is that it's so easy to abuse when there isn't a tournament. It's pretty easy normally to get away with the kind of abuse that people were caught with, and the punishment isn't that severe usually. It just sounds like a big deal when suddenly people are paying serious attention and there are real consequences now that there's money involved. edit: as far as star players go, it's not a tragedy that they're banned, its a tragedy that they were cheating to begin with. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 19 2009 17:51 redtooth wrote: you are wrong. how dare you compare TL to gosugamers. we routed them in a showmatch dammit AND we are a million times cooler. also, i remember people debating the same thing about clazz being perma-banned for hacking. as the largest starcraft community, TL should take the harshest stance in order to severely discourage abusing in future events. it has to be done, even if it means we have to 'sacrifice' some stars along the way. it's their fault for abusing and they should take full responsibility for it. best dota-replays are on gg.net. Its starcraft section, however, is kinda redundant since TL does everything it does, just way better. | ||
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Ghardo
Germany1685 Posts
*edit*oh, I wanted to add: Maybe -> 1) first phase punishment: Ban for consecutive TSL and forum ban up till then + close watch their actions; IF a) they are clean and behave as they should they could be allowed to play in TSL4 if they were banned for TSL3 and caught in 2; IF b) they are caught cheating, abusing, whatev in any other event in any way or where ever -> 2) (second phase punishment) BAN these mofos forever, as they showed they cannot change their behaviour. it's just a question of stance: do you want to miss exceptions that occur like TT1 as Boblion said or don't you care what happens to their dishonest asses | ||
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
Example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69911 That takes care of that. Now speaking as a former ggnet admin i know there's a lot of behind the scenes work against hackers and serious in-crew discussion about how to deal with hackers/abusers etc. Action was taken. Even if you think it was too lenient this is not the time to ride ggnet for the usual stuff tlnetters put them down for. I applaude them, and especially LoC.. who I'm pretty sure was the first to bring it up in the internal crew forums^^ It would have been soooooooo easy to do nothing. | ||
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