EPTDQs: Yosh, RiboRibo, Scan, Mercury - Page 16
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NonY
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Deleted User 3420
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as for how difficult it is to get games, I don't feel that bad for them, I mean look at what morrow accomplished | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 14 2009 04:10 purgerinho wrote: i respect all of them as i did before this.. this abuse isn't like hacking (cheating) coz all of this players are good enough to be in top48.. all of them done that coz they thought they will not make it coz of the lack of time.. f91 had to be in top12 and in 4am he couldn't find an opponent.. advokate was offline around a week, reason couldn't find a player to play against, dimaga had no time and wanted to make sure.... if you play TSL you must live it... that format doesn't allow that the best players get the spot but there isn't ideal format.. i would just love to see TSL where TSL players can play only against TSL players, not koreans, not chinese, not someone that can be your friend... But it's such fucking bullshit, how come people like mondragon, ret, idra, white-ra, strelok, morrow, managed to find games? they are even more famous than reason, vasilvislivk, and whoever else. Such a weak excuse... "he was offline for a week" WHAT? that's his own goddamn fault, besides Kolll didn't even play until there was like a week LEFT, and he still qualified because he wasn't being a pussy about playing koreans. It IS abuse in the highest degree, not only did they fuck over people just below the 48 mark that decided it was impossible to qualify because of the inflated points cutoff, they did it by getting free wins from friends, how is that not abuse (cheating)? | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 14 2009 01:40 SpaceDominator wrote: don't act as if you're some omnipotent moral individual too and would have acted in perfect accord either if you had a chance. Think before you post, dude. I don't think anyone is actually thin-skinned enough to be offended by this particular bit of stupidity, but don't you think it's kind of idiotic to suppose that everyone who is shocked by the number of ladder abusers would have also abused, given the chance? You're not-so-indirectly insulting, well, basically everyone. | ||
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SpaceDominator
United States92 Posts
On December 14 2009 04:37 Djabanete wrote: Think before you post, dude. I don't think anyone is actually thin-skinned enough to be offended by this particular bit of stupidity, but don't you think it's kind of idiotic to suppose that everyone who is shocked by the number of ladder abusers would have also abused, given the chance? You're not-so-indirectly insulting, well, basically everyone. Interesting way to read into that comment and it was definitely not the intent. However, if all you're doing in a particular thread is complaining about the fact that someone else cheated and then proceed to go off on some random tangent accusing that individual of being a complete crook, what does that really tell you about that individual? Obviously I'm not vein enough to state that every single person that is "shocked by the number of ladder abusers would have also abused," it's not true. However, if all you're going to do is bitch and whine about others, you've sometimes got to look in the mirror and reflect about what YOU would do in that particular situation. That's it. It's not some back-handed comment insulting everyone. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
On December 14 2009 04:10 purgerinho wrote: i respect all of them as i did before this.. this abuse isn't like hacking (cheating) coz all of this players are good enough to be in top48.. all of them done that coz they thought they will not make it coz of the lack of time.. f91 had to be in top12 and in 4am he couldn't find an opponent.. advokate was offline around a week, reason couldn't find a player to play against, dimaga had no time and wanted to make sure.... if you play TSL you must live it... that format doesn't allow that the best players get the spot but there isn't ideal format.. i would just love to see TSL where TSL players can play only against TSL players, not koreans, not chinese, not someone that can be your friend... what the hell are you talking about? ALL the best players made it. with the HIGHLY arguable exception of kolll, the best 8 players outside korea and china are ALL in the top 12. if you had the skill and you gave it the effort, qualifying in whatever group you correctly belong in was equally doable for every single player - this is exactly why this IS the best qualifying system as opposed to invitations or qualifying tournaments or whatever. there are good players who failed for whatever reason, be it that they didnt play enough or that they didn't play well enough or didn't take it seriously enough, and some good players who were retarded enough to abuse, but the final list made is an awesome list. not only that, but the top 12 has a significantly higher average skill level than the 12-24 group, and the 12-24 group has a significantly higher average skill level than 24-48. | ||
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ParanoiaDHerO
United States183 Posts
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
 Though I 100% agree with Grobo/Drone's logic ("All" the good players made it without abuse), and they do deserve to be knocked out of the TSL/lose respectability/etc., they still are good players who noobs (like me) can benefit from watching. Burying them amidst D+s makes them harder to find, and is unnecessary, in my opinion. And SpaceDominator, stop vomiting gibberish. | ||
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Sixer
United States278 Posts
On December 14 2009 01:30 tonight wrote: Yosh shouldn't be in TSL for this season because of what he did, but people saying stupid shit like "he's a douchebag" and "I've lost respect for him" that's just way out of line. u srs? Upon what do you base your respect if a person is dishonest? I'm not going to call him a douche bag or anything,, but seriously...this competition is for $10,000 and a spot in foreign SC history. It's clearly a lot bigger than you realize. | ||
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Hungary3932 Posts
On December 14 2009 06:09 Triple7 wrote: I really don't think you should remove these people from the featured streams. Though I 100% agree with Grobo/Drone's logic ("All" the good players made it without abuse), and they do deserve to be knocked out of the TSL/lose respectability/etc., they still are good players who noobs (like me) can benefit from watching. Burying them amidst D+s makes them harder to find, and is unnecessary, in my opinion. http://www.youtube.com/user/Wasif1112 | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
well seriously, why would teamliquid want to feature/promote streams for cheaters who have actually cheated in the biggest foreign tournament that is going on right now and even representing their website in general | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On December 14 2009 06:09 Triple7 wrote: I really don't think you should remove these people from the featured streams. Though I 100% agree with Grobo/Drone's logic ("All" the good players made it without abuse), and they do deserve to be knocked out of the TSL/lose respectability/etc., they still are good players who noobs (like me) can benefit from watching. Burying them amidst D+s makes them harder to find, and is unnecessary, in my opinion. And SpaceDominator, stop vomiting gibberish. There's more at stake than spectators of streams though. Just thinking of a few simple points here.. We have plenty of other good streamers. Also TL does not want to associate itself with cheaters. People who don't visit TL every day think streamers are a part of TL and when they hear we are featuring cheaters it is bad for our reputation. Lastly we need to do everything we can to create a deterrent for possible future cheaters. The more privileges they lose the less likely others will do it too. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
On December 14 2009 05:56 ParanoiaDHerO wrote: I'm just happy we can all LOL at Yosh's 57-0, was tired of hearing about it. Idra could simply accomplish this by making a smurf and roflstomping his way to a perfect record. Not sure why you think this changes anything about Yosh's skill level, he's still a damn good foreigner which makes the fact that he abused for two free wins and smurfed other players even more puzzling... | ||
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Zeburial
Sweden1126 Posts
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
On December 14 2009 01:30 tonight wrote: Yosh shouldn't be in TSL for this season because of what he did, but people saying stupid shit like "he's a douchebag" and "I've lost respect for him" that's just way out of line. take a step back and look at what you've just said ROFL fuck abusers, that includes yosh 0 respect god I can't believe you people, seriously "this season" | ||
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Future_sc
United States783 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On December 14 2009 05:11 SpaceDominator wrote: Interesting way to read into that comment and it was definitely not the intent. However, if all you're doing in a particular thread is complaining about the fact that someone else cheated and then proceed to go off on some random tangent accusing that individual of being a complete crook, what does that really tell you about that individual? Obviously I'm not vein enough to state that every single person that is "shocked by the number of ladder abusers would have also abused," it's not true. However, if all you're going to do is bitch and whine about others, you've sometimes got to look in the mirror and reflect about what YOU would do in that particular situation. That's it. It's not some back-handed comment insulting everyone. I'm sure you didn't mean your comment that way, but saying "don't act like you're a moral individual that would have done the right thing" is pretty offensive. Just so you know. Edit: Hey I'm a vulture, watch out for my spider mines :D | ||
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Frits
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On December 14 2009 06:44 Zeburial wrote: What happened to "Rules are meant to be broken"? ^_^ Anyway, just think it's funny that people goes all crazy-emo-nerdrage about some people that have "cheated". Good luck for the people that qualified! \o/ Technically, rules are meant to not be broken. Besides, all the crazy-emo-nerdrage seems to be coming from the sympathizers so far. | ||
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MoOnrai11
United States30 Posts
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