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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
On December 14 2009 18:23 .risingdragoon wrote: wat da hell you talking about? maybe if you thought about it you'd know that it's kinda hard to be a monolithic chinese nationalist when I'm flying the US colors? why do I have to be labeled? as uncomfortable as this is, I just called it as I saw it. yeah, I think it was artosis with the bonehead nationalist comment, and I'm trying to make up for it with the "yea I get it, you said that cus of lag reasons /rolleyes." F91 is a draw for me cus I like his style, muthafucka, just like lovett's pvp, and pj's pvz (not so much lx, dunno why) just like how I discovered brat_OK in the last TSL and like his play. Does that make me a russian nationalist now? This is sad as it is already and I think I've been diplomatic, don't you twist things any further. He is talking about you ignoring the reasons for the ban of Chinese players and focusing on completely irrelevant points, making it look as if you are blindly supporting any Chinese no matter what. F91 asked to be allowed into TSL on the grounds that he would fly to Taiwan to play the qualifiers and TL gave him an exception. This is not an extraneous rule but serves only the purpose to prevent lag, which is not potential lag but definite as experienced by players over and over again. It's not the players fault but that's how it is. The acceptance of F91 rather shows that Chinese players would have a legitimate shot in the TSL without lag issues and not that they have been banned because they'd OWN the joint. | ||
SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On December 14 2009 18:43 Schnake wrote: He is talking about you ignoring the reasons for the ban of Chinese players and focusing on completely irrelevant points, making it look as if you are blindly supporting any Chinese no matter what. F91 asked to be allowed into TSL on the grounds that he would fly to Taiwan to play the qualifiers and TL gave him an exception. This is not an extraneous rule but serves only the purpose to prevent lag, which is not potential lag but definite as experienced by players over and over again. It's not the players fault but that's how it is. The acceptance of F91 rather shows that Chinese players would have a legitimate shot in the TSL without lag issues and not that they have been banned because they'd OWN the joint. I can agree with that. I don't think I or any sensible person would agree with bias, for the better or worse of a player just for some arbitrary reason. For a minute there artosis incensed me. It was unfortunate to me tsl had to shitcan a top player and he took it as some joyous thing. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 14 2009 19:00 .risingdragoon wrote: I can agree with that. I don't think I or any sensible person would agree with bias, for the better or worse of a player just for some arbitrary reason. For a minute there artosis incensed me. It was unfortunate to me tsl had to shitcan a top player and he took it as some joyous thing. f91 cheated. it WAS a good thing he got kicked. | ||
.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
you're no saint either, in fact you're just about scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to that. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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FirstProbe
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
needless to say for the times when it's unnecessary to cheat ability-wise, but it takes place over circumstances, it's a sad thing. all I know is why f91 had to do it, I dunno why the other guys abused the ladder. and I'd like to know cus I don't pretend to be christ and get on my moral pedestal. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
plenty of other players got dodged. me whitera and ret played almost all koreans and still got top 12 easily. if f91 were in the process of 'owning the joint' it seems he shouldve been able to do the same thing. | ||
thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On December 14 2009 19:45 .risingdragoon wrote: yea, cheating. you've done it, I've done it, everybody's done it. sometimes out of necessity, sometimes out of convenience. when it's not caught everybody's none the wiser. when it's caught you pay up. needless to say for the times when it's unnecessary to cheat ability-wise, but it takes place over circumstances, it's a sad thing. all I know is why f91 had to do it, I dunno why the other guys abused the ladder. and I'd like to know cus I don't pretend to be christ and get on my moral pedestal. f91 didn't have to cheat. Nobody has to cheat. I really can't comprehend how so many people are willing to tolerate cheating. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28552 Posts
On December 14 2009 18:34 SirKibbleX wrote: The strongest player shouldn't need to cheat because the ideal ladder would be designed in such a way that the strongest player would never need to cheat. Let me be clear, such a system is theoretically, and therefore also in practice, impossible to create. So I'm not trying to BM the TL staff, I'm just saying I'm sad I won't be seeing the best foreigner players playing in the TSL. Why do they have to be such cheaters... : ( but they didn't have to cheat at all.. dimaga yosh and a2 would all have qualified in either top 24 or top 12 legitimately. f91 too, if he had just played more.. | ||
.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
I agree with the DQ, it's to maintain the integrity of the whole thing. It doesn't mean I won't sympathize with circumstances. Is there some rules that says that a person is not suppose to be human about it? | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
no one had to cheat.. if u are good enough u make it if u have not enough time its not the others fault but its your situation you are in.. if u cant change its simply no reason to cheat in order to guarantee u a spot.. wtf.. that is almost the same as saying '' hey im magic~PhiL and i can barely get B+ on iccup but because Im not good enough i will cheat to reach the top 48.. I mean i had to.. i just had no other choice '' wtf.. =( | ||
thopol
Japan4560 Posts
On December 14 2009 20:04 .risingdragoon wrote: I "tolerate" it in thinking cus I understand that people all got it different. have I understand that JayZ had to hustle to make it while Kanye rode the gravy train. I understand cus I know the rules are not perfect so I try to be as flexible as I can in my life, within tolerable boundaries. Shit the justice system is far from perfect, and that affects lives, it destroys lives. wtf? I'm pretty sure you're drunk. I agree with the DQ, it's to maintain the integrity of the whole thing. It doesn't mean I won't sympathize with circumstances. Is there some rules that says that a person is not suppose to be human about it? What we don't understand is how you can sympathize with the cheaters? It is extremely unprofessional and disrespectful. It is particularly disrespectful to you, the fan. I just can't wrap my mind around what you are saying. | ||
.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On December 14 2009 20:07 IdrA wrote: you have yet to describe what circumstances make it acceptable, thats what everyone is questioning it's not accepted, that's why I'm for DQ. but do peple do it? hell yea. most are dirty cheaters, and rest are just sad nonetheless. why da hell are you so shocked MaGic~PhiL is just ![]() On December 14 2009 20:27 thopol wrote: What we don't understand is how you can sympathize with the cheaters? It is extremely unprofessional and disrespectful. It is particularly disrespectful to you, the fan. I just can't wrap my mind around what you are saying. As a fan I'm for the best possible pool of players. To do that I can't disregard the circumstances. Games to me are just circumstances. Even for everyone with the skill to compete, some days you don't got the fine control so you do an all-in, then people are angry cus they feel cheated. That's a very fine line. | ||
iFU.pauline
France1409 Posts
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