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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2009 03:38 GMT
#101
On December 13 2009 12:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 11:36 IdrA wrote:
On December 13 2009 10:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
just to bounce off of naz's posts:

Online reputation is HUGE. More accurately, how you are known as a gamer is huge.. this won't ruin A2's career but it will certainly put a dampener on it. More of this kind of stuff and he will be out of the community almost entirely.. which is hugely retarded given his abilities.

As I said from the very beginning.. this amount of cash will surface some REALLY strange and crazy things. A2, F91, Pomi? And we aren't done yet.

reputation actually doesnt mean anything. f91 abuses and admits to it only after they have absolute proof of it and half the community still gives him respect for taking responsibility for cheating. people are idiots. the ban from tl events is the only real punishment here, though thats significant enough on its own i suppose.

actually i mean that while reputation may matter people have a tendency to not hold cheating against a player's reputation.



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hence the "actually i mean"
it was an edit, i misspoke but the point is the same
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2009 03:40 GMT
#102
On December 13 2009 12:03 purgerinho wrote:
his act doesn't deserve respect but he as a player deserve is whatever you or nayone else said.. all other players had to get in top48 if he had same chances he wouldn't do that so don't judge him so easily or call him a cheater coz of this thing..

how did he not have the same chance as everyone else
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aeroH
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1034 Posts
December 13 2009 03:42 GMT
#103
TL sees all...
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 03:44:40
December 13 2009 03:43 GMT
#104
On December 13 2009 12:38 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 12:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On December 13 2009 11:36 IdrA wrote:
On December 13 2009 10:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
just to bounce off of naz's posts:

Online reputation is HUGE. More accurately, how you are known as a gamer is huge.. this won't ruin A2's career but it will certainly put a dampener on it. More of this kind of stuff and he will be out of the community almost entirely.. which is hugely retarded given his abilities.

As I said from the very beginning.. this amount of cash will surface some REALLY strange and crazy things. A2, F91, Pomi? And we aren't done yet.

reputation actually doesnt mean anything. f91 abuses and admits to it only after they have absolute proof of it and half the community still gives him respect for taking responsibility for cheating. people are idiots. the ban from tl events is the only real punishment here, though thats significant enough on its own i suppose.

actually i mean that while reputation may matter people have a tendency to not hold cheating against a player's reputation.



O________________________________________________________O;;


hence the "actually i mean"
it was an edit, i misspoke but the point is the same


Yeah I know what you mean no worries.

actually I mean you make no sense and that was completely illogical and I didn't know what you meant.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 13 2009 03:44 GMT
#105
bm
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 13 2009 03:46 GMT
#106
CAUGHT LIKE A BIATCH!
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iSCd
Profile Joined October 2009
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 03:48:24
December 13 2009 03:47 GMT
#107
if some swimmer gets a cold during his last month of training, is it then ok that he dopes to compensate on this?
- It is ofc not!

The same applies for the F91 case. He was ill fated by a tough personal schedule and maybe bad equipment - no excuse!
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
December 13 2009 04:30 GMT
#108
That's trashy.
I hope all of the abusers get dropped from their teams. I'm sad that players I liked cheated, but their actions cannot be tolerated.
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
December 13 2009 05:00 GMT
#109
I really wish they didn't cheat. Dropping them is the right thing, still wish they hadn't done it though.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 13 2009 05:37 GMT
#110
I feel a little sympathetic because it's not nearly as bad as cheating to win a game, like maphacking. You have a ladder, and you need to qualify with a high rank. Unfortunately, there are a good number of unfair practices that inflate the points - win trading, dodging, playing only foreigners, farming a poor sucker, and playing lots of crappy players have all come up. Idra seems the only one immune to dropping out of the ladder due to a loss streak.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42950 Posts
December 13 2009 05:41 GMT
#111
On December 13 2009 14:37 igotmyown wrote:
I feel a little sympathetic because it's not nearly as bad as cheating to win a game, like maphacking. You have a ladder, and you need to qualify with a high rank. Unfortunately, there are a good number of unfair practices that inflate the points - win trading, dodging, playing only foreigners, farming a poor sucker, and playing lots of crappy players have all come up. Idra seems the only one immune to dropping out of the ladder due to a loss streak.

Wait, cheating to win a ladder (ie a ranking based upon the results of many games) is not as bad as maphacking (ie cheating to win a single game)?
Care to explain that? And don't say they needed it to compete because that's bullshit. If they need to cheat to compete with all the legit players then they weren't good enough. Full stop.
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OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
December 13 2009 06:00 GMT
#112
people are basing their respect for players on their achievements rather then what they did on the laws of morality.
Think about it as them being anyone other than who they are as opposed to what theyve gained through the community
and you people who are supporting these players such as f91 will realize that its wrong
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
December 13 2009 07:35 GMT
#113
damn it...I was rooting for A2 , so sad, lost the respect for him..
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sMi.MeOw
Profile Joined August 2007
New Zealand160 Posts
December 13 2009 07:58 GMT
#114
didn't even change his own rank from the 2 abuse games...really pointless....

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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
December 13 2009 08:05 GMT
#115
On December 13 2009 14:37 igotmyown wrote:
I feel a little sympathetic because it's not nearly as bad as cheating to win a game, like maphacking. You have a ladder, and you need to qualify with a high rank. Unfortunately, there are a good number of unfair practices that inflate the points - win trading, dodging, playing only foreigners, farming a poor sucker, and playing lots of crappy players have all come up. Idra seems the only one immune to dropping out of the ladder due to a loss streak.


What they did was so much worse than map hacking

Both are incredibly horrible things to do but,

To win a tournament of this caliber of players using a maphack still requires you having alot of the fundamentals of being a good player(unless of course you just fag it up and play alot of low rank nubbies that will give you auto wins).
But realistically you have to have some form of fundamentals to take out anyone decent.

Rigging the ladder in a way that you get auto wins essentially, and potentially scamming a huge tournament is much worse. No skill is required, just another account or a lineup of friends waiting to feed you points.

One requires a semblence of mechanics, one is completely dishonest and trashy.

Now, both actions are incredibly bm, and both should be frowned upon and people banned for it, but one is much worse.

All the players caught of cheating this ladder should suffer the years of trial Testie did.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
December 13 2009 08:09 GMT
#116
On December 13 2009 16:58 sMi.MeOw wrote:
didn't even change his own rank from the 2 abuse games...really pointless....

:3

then maybe he shouldn't have done the 2 games?
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piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
December 13 2009 08:24 GMT
#117
On December 13 2009 12:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 11:36 IdrA wrote:
f91 abuses and admits to it only after they have absolute proof of it and half the community still gives him respect for taking responsibility for cheating. people are idiots.

As loathed as I am to agree with Idra I have to here. I can't believe people are saying "yeah, but he admited" it as if it's a defence. If in the heat of the moment someone asks a friend to throw a game to them then half an hour later pms Hot_Bid and says "look, I did something stupid, please ask an admin to remove the points" then I'll overlook that as a lapse of judgement. But that's not what happened here. He tried to cheat his way in and he got caught.


this explains it all

f91 was caught and admitted to it, its like classique when he got caught maphacking and he admitted to it too, but was banned due to the offense. there is no respect for admitted to fault after getting caught with your hand down the cookie jar.

plus, ladder rigging is much worse than maphacking imo in this league. you are not just cheating against one opponent, you are cheating against the league as a whole. you are denying people's honest efforts in trying to make the top 48. abusing ladder through free wins to earn a rank denies so many other people's chances to gain a spot (whether through knocking someone down, or other people who start gaming more and maybe losing their rank due to not standing pat) but its a bad thing.

props to TL, i am glad you guys are being very thorough in this process. i just hope that not many more ppl have resorted to thsi, but i doubt it with 21k in the prize pool.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
December 13 2009 08:42 GMT
#118
God why would Advokate abuse? He is plenty good enough to qualify without doing so. He took a pretty entertaining game off of Jaedong!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 13 2009 09:33 GMT
#119
The only way I can see they know its abuse is either something with IPs or replays where u could see the game was a free win ..

surprising and really unfair
hatred outlives the hateful
Mowse
Profile Joined October 2007
South Africa56 Posts
December 13 2009 10:54 GMT
#120
a2 for what a few points and he was already qualified silly silly silly stuff!
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