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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament..
I don't agree with this at all but let's pretend it's true.
I am participating in the TSL ladder and I don't think he should be allowed to participate.
There 
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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:03 ketomai wrote:
How do being offered test games in like 2005 have anything over actually training and living at a pro house. It seems like you guys wanted to exclude anyone pro but had to try to stick in Idra there somewhere so you added the "grew up in a place without a professional scene" bs. How does growing up when you're like 6th grade compare to actually going over there to play on a pro team when you're 18 or over. It just makes no sense. You get MORE out of training when you're older than nongmin got when he was 'exposed' to the scene back in elementary through junior high. Seriously, if you want to say, we'll let only foreigners and idra play, then just say it... I don't understand why nongmin moving on vacation for a little while when he has little exposure in the main time he's played starcraft for the past 4 years is SO MUCH different from someone who just moved to to a foreign country and doesn't happen to be going to korea for a few months.
I don't think anyone is saying test games > CJ training. We'll just have to disagree about our goals for TSL being "bs."
On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament..
Several participants have already said they don't want him to play.
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On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament..
Considering that we only have 3 seeds, we are the players, so we could all vote on an official poll. Sadly, it won't happen...
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On November 12 2009 12:09 Hot_Bid wrote:
Several participants have already said they don't want him to play.
lol
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On November 12 2009 12:09 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament.. Several participants have already said they don't want him to play.
rofl I wonder why.
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Several participants have already said they don't want him to play. LOL of course they dont want him to play. Just curious, but how will you stop the many other korean-american sc players from playing in this turny? there are a lot of students from korea that now reside in the US and play SC.
Seems like the only reason you are banning nongmin is becus you know he will crush your great white hope...
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
Why are you even arguing.
This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness."
The OP is very clear and understandable, and nongmin agrees.
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Braavos36402 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:09 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament.. Several participants have already said they don't want him to play.
I think people are misinterpreting what I'm saying here -- I disagree with WARMASTER's logic. Obviously a poll of the players would reveal at least one player who doesn't want nongmin to play. So it wouldn't change anything.
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How does growing up in a place help your goals T.T. Your goal is to give players who do not have the opportunity of indulging in a pro scene like Korea's a chance to win something and compete. Nongmin has been in the US these last 4 years, and I doubt he was at the pinnacle of his ability to improve and benefit while he was in junior high, where as Idra is getting tons of chances as a CJ Pro to take advantage of all Korea has to offer. How does it take away from your goals to give Nongmin, who has never really had any chance to compete in the Korean scene, a chance to play?
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On November 12 2009 12:16 l10f wrote:Why are you even arguing. Show nested quote +This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness."
If I could change anything in the world, it would be that I think 
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On November 12 2009 12:09 Thratur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament.. Considering that we only have 3 seeds, we are the players, so we could all vote on an official poll. Sadly, it won't happen...
How many people do you think would take everything into consideration before voting? Maybe 10%?
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On November 12 2009 12:19 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 12:09 Thratur wrote:On November 12 2009 12:03 WARMASTER.v13 wrote:
I say if the competitors all agree it is ok for Nongmin to play then ya'll should let him but all it takes is one person to say they wouldn't like for him to play then it is settled because it should be up to the players not just the staff holding the tournament.. Considering that we only have 3 seeds, we are the players, so we could all vote on an official poll. Sadly, it won't happen... How many people do you think would take everything into consideration before voting? Maybe 10%?
Well, we could have some kind of 5 questions test to get access to the poll and that percentage would climb to a much higher number. Around 90% if you need to get 100% at the test.
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On November 12 2009 12:17 ketomai wrote:
How does growing up in a place help your goals T.T. Your goal is to give players who do not have the opportunity of indulging in a pro scene like Korea's a chance to win something and compete. Nongmin has been in the US these last 4 years, and I doubt he was at the pinnacle of his ability to improve and benefit while he was in junior high, where as Idra is getting tons of chances as a CJ Pro to take advantage of all Korea has to offer. How does it take away from your goals to give Nongmin, who has never really had any chance to compete in the Korean scene, a chance to play?
Can you answer this and state your real goals and how Nongmin is against them specifically please?
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I think a "because we said so," would have sufficed. As people have pointed out, it's TL's tournament, so they can do whatever they want. Fairness seems pretty irrelevant in this context, and giving justification is only giving more reason for a dispute.
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Nong should be able to play. This is hand waving and making up rules.
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United Kingdom305 Posts
Just a quick question:
If nongmin turned round and said "Hey, I can stay for the majority of the tournament but I have no choice but to go to Korea for the last part" would the answer remain the same? Also similarly, if he didn't go to Korea but some other country would he be allowed?
Really, i'm done arguing because it's set in stone and this is indeed their house. I just wondered with these examples  .
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...and is not affiliated with a professional StarCraft team
How would you justify allowing idra to play when he is obviously affiliated with a professional SC team?
This makes no sense what so ever.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 12 2009 12:31 tRi[T]oN wrote:
...and is not affiliated with a professional StarCraft team
How would you justify allowing idra to play when he is obviously affiliated with a professional SC team?
This makes no sense what so ever.
lol hot_bid I think you need to clarify the OP even further
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On November 12 2009 12:27 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2009 12:25 Sorrow wrote:
...and is not affiliated with a professional StarCraft team
take that off the rule guideline since it doesn't apply in any way and is obsolete, as any progaming team is already located in Korea. Nope, if that part is taken off a B team player in a pro team could take a vacation to a nearby nation and play in TSL.
In contrast we now have someone who is basically taking a vacation in Korea who can't play simply because he was born there.
If this is their decision it's fine but it will likely be discussed to death.
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