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United States44451 Posts
Hitler not being a racist is such a weird hill to die on. I know that some far right nationalists insist that it’s not about racial inferiority, it’s about racial self determination, (Germany for the Germans, Algeria for the Algerians or whatever) but Hitler was famously not about respecting the borders of his neighbours. His view was that Germany for the Germans and also Poland for the Germans and also Russia for the Germans and also extermination for the Slavs.
Moltke seems to be coming in with “no, you guys don’t get that it was all rooted in his ideas of racial and national Darwinism, that competition applies to nations and races and that the strong, virile, and vigorous nations/peoples willing to fight for their future are forced to do so and deserve their place in the world”. And sure, that’s a big component of his philosophy and it’s not intrinsically racist because it doesn’t outright specify “also whites good, blacks bad”. But everyone understands that about Hitler’s philosophy, it’s not a new and game changing point, the reason everyone thinks Hitler was racist is because his beliefs on racial and national Darwinism were coupled with a belief that whites were the master race. Take the Nuremberg Laws for example.
To give a natural selection example, Hitler didn’t just believe that if wolves and Phorusrhacidae were fighting for the same ecological niche then it is right and good that they should fight and that the better adapted prevail, he also believed that one was intrinsically superior and destined for success.
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Norway28929 Posts
When reading moltke's posts, I think it is wise to read this thread first :
https://tl.net/blogs/550756-had-an-accident
He's definitely not the same poster he used to be, this is the explanation. Just really tragic imo.
The old Moltke also had some alternative takes, but back then I was often left with the impression that it was an issue of myself and other people not being able to comprehend them more than his takes being wrong. Now, he's just.. not of the same intellect he used to be.
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man that hurts to read. it really sucks when anyone in the community is hurting.
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United States44451 Posts
Damn, that does suck. And it’s all too common a story. Personal tragedy throwing your life into chaos and suddenly Nazi sympathizer.
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On July 22 2020 00:04 brian wrote:
too close to full on hitler apologia for my taste, even with all the leniency he may deserve. if you can’t clearly articulate yourself enough to not sound like you’re saying ‘hitler was just misunderstood,’ then maybe not posting is the right call.
Honestly, it was just a 2-day until he went for the alt account route. We all get those from time to time when a line of argument just plain misses the mark.
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On July 22 2020 00:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:When reading moltke's posts, I think it is wise to read this thread first : https://tl.net/blogs/550756-had-an-accidentHe's definitely not the same poster he used to be, this is the explanation. Just really tragic imo. The old Moltke also had some alternative takes, but back then I was often left with the impression that it was an issue of myself and other people not being able to comprehend them more than his takes being wrong. Now, he's just.. not of the same intellect he used to be.
I didn't know him that well before (or after) but I remember reading this blog when it came out and thinking "I wonder if that's going to make him change his far right perspective". I couldn't point to exact posts or whatever that gave me this impression but I'm surprised you're pointing to the accident.
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On July 22 2020 00:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:When reading moltke's posts, I think it is wise to read this thread first : https://tl.net/blogs/550756-had-an-accidentHe's definitely not the same poster he used to be, this is the explanation. Just really tragic imo. The old Moltke also had some alternative takes, but back then I was often left with the impression that it was an issue of myself and other people not being able to comprehend them more than his takes being wrong. Now, he's just.. not of the same intellect he used to be. My mother had a brain aneurysm a few years ago, she came out remarkably well but brain trauma can change a person in subtle ways. And I can certainly see how trauma and memory loss combined the all the information coming at you from the internet can lead peoples idea's down certain (dark) paths.
Its tragic but some idea's have little place in public discussion.
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Norway28929 Posts
I'm pointing to the accident for how he words himself and how fragmented his thoughts appear. Moltke used to be someone whom I did not agree with but whose way of articulating his point thoroughly impressed me and whose knowledge of history (not to be confused with ability to analyze or contextualize) far surpassed anybody else I've met (with the possible but not certain exception of former history professors of mine). Now it's like what is left is small, inconsistent pieces of the former world view and historical understanding that shaped said world view, and instead of making me go 'damn, that's interesting', reading his posts makes me sad.
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On July 22 2020 00:08 Liquid`Drone wrote:When reading moltke's posts, I think it is wise to read this thread first : https://tl.net/blogs/550756-had-an-accidentHe's definitely not the same poster he used to be, this is the explanation. Just really tragic imo. The old Moltke also had some alternative takes, but back then I was often left with the impression that it was an issue of myself and other people not being able to comprehend them more than his takes being wrong. Now, he's just.. not of the same intellect he used to be.
That post is both frightening and frighteningly relatable. Sadly I know far too many people who went through something like that and never truly came back.
Moltke was never a poster I paid too much attention to, so I don't really know too much about how he is or was, but the blog post is certainly something.
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His old stuff was written very well and despite not being my cup of tea interesting for sure, as Drone said.
That changed - sadly.
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On July 22 2020 01:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I'm point to the accident for how he words himself and how fragmented his thoughts appear. Moltke used to be someone whom I did not agree with but whose way of articulating his point thoroughly impressed me and whose knowledge of history (not to be confused with ability to analyze or contextualize) far surpassed anybody else I've met (with the possible but not certain exception of former history professors of mine). Now it's like what is left is small, inconsistent pieces of the former world view and historical understanding that shaped said world view, and instead of making me go 'damn, that's interesting', reading his posts makes me sad.
I've always been impressed too with Moltke, and was thinking in the last days that what he was posting didn't quite add up with what I remember from a few years ago. The "Hitler was just misunderstood" stuff made me think he had snapped or something.
The car accident stuff is heart breaking. I really really hope he recovers fully.
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On July 22 2020 01:19 MoltkeWarding4 wrote:
No
Maybe?
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Moltkewarding seems the same as always to me. Pseudo intellectual gibberish that makes no logical sense, oddly obsessed with nazi Germany and how Chinese people will never change, forever bound to their own culture. Difference is, he lost whatever program he used to write his logically nonsensical gibberish so he doesn't have the veneer of his recursive grammar that intimidates people into thinking he is smarter than they are.
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TelecoM was just temp banned for 2 days by Seeker.
That account was created on 2010-02-01 06:56:28 and had 10148 posts.
Reason: Very uncalled for comment and failure to follow moderation guidelines. And Aurora is a well known community figure in the SC2 community so there is credibility behind her statements.
This "SC2 sexual harassment" saga has racked up quite a few bans for the list. Not surprising, but interesting to watch.
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I knew it was only a matter of time until Telecom's true colors come out.
Obviously don't have any proof and most definitely have a bias from years ago, but his post history seems to be him making positive-sounding low effort one-to-two liners in many threads in the BW section, which to me seems like him trying to make it so that the negative and classically Telelcom posts are in the minority when viewing his post history as a whole.
To put it more simply, the tactic seems to be:
"This is really cool!"
"I am excited for this league!"
"What a great series!"
"You don't know shit about my association with top Korean teams you scrub."
"Thank you for making this write up!"
"I'm excited to see how ____ performs in this league!"
So now that he is no longer 100% assholery and only 5-10%, it's evidence of "personal growth." I'm not buying it.
EDIT: Also, RIP Moltke. A true legend of pre-boom TL. I could tell something was off when he was arguing about IQ in one of his blogs and seemed to misunderstand obviously hypothetical hyperboles as actual talking points and failing to transcribe a word from one post to another 
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It's one of those topics where people project their own feelings onto the topic and can't really be very objective or even handed.
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On July 22 2020 01:50 LegalLord wrote:Maybe? No
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No
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