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KwarK
United States43622 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On February 25 2019 15:35 Jealous wrote: [opisska, ] What's your exact issue with what he is saying? On February 25 2019 22:44 LegalLord wrote:... It might have a fair bit to do with exactly who is saying it. Coming from the moderator most known for his use of mod powers to settle grudges and for himself getting bogged down in the associated piss-fights, it's about as tone deaf as one could get. Sounds nice in principle but there's damn near zero credibility here. ... Reality check: On February 25 2019 15:14 opisska wrote: ...I honestly believe that this is a standard you personally follow... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On February 26 2019 20:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: Should not be controversial that moderators and posters both want bad posters gone/rehabilitated and good posters to post. The controversial part, where there is occasionally massive disagreement, is about what constitutes a good poster and a bad poster. Yes, exactly. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 26 2019 18:51 Aquanim wrote: Reality check: I really didn't want to dwell on this, but for the record, I know the issues with KwarK that LL is mentioning (if you, for example, search for a thread complaining about it, you may check who made it), but that's years ago and since then he was pretty much clean from this afaik. ABL is probably a really shitty place to discuss it, but the whole point is that moderators (at least some of them, I really dunno what's happening behind closed doors) have quite a different idea of what is important than a relatively large number of users of this forum. Or, to be even clearer: having Ej threatened by a perm on a forum that still allows people like Rodya to roam free is, in to put it mildly, short-sighted. Yes, Ej is sometimes a blunt asshole, but Rodya's post are just garbage. The person never posted anything actually worth reading. The moderation of the last few years is much more focused on petty grievances, offence-taking and forcing "respect" for the mods instead of creating a good forum where people with something interesting to say would be happy to participate. How does this tie into the topic at hand? It's simple: the report culture enforces "bans for transgressions". You make an "actionable" post and you get punished. Great penal system, but the result is exactly what it is - mods getting convenient opportunities to ban random knee-jerk reactions, while posting nonsensical baits for years is perfectly fine. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18224 Posts
On February 27 2019 03:01 opisska wrote: I really didn't want to dwell on this, but for the record, I know the issues with KwarK that LL is mentioning (if you, for example, search for a thread complaining about it, you may check who made it), but that's years ago and since then he was pretty much clean from this afaik. ABL is probably a really shitty place to discuss it, but the whole point is that moderators (at least some of them, I really dunno what's happening behind closed doors) have quite a different idea of what is important than a relatively large number of users of this forum. Or, to be even clearer: having Ej threatened by a perm on a forum that still allows people like Rodya to roam free is, in to put it mildly, short-sighted. Yes, Ej is sometimes a blunt asshole, but Rodya's post are just garbage. The person never posted anything actually worth reading. The moderation of the last few years is much more focused on petty grievances, offence-taking and forcing "respect" for the mods instead of creating a good forum where people with something interesting to say would be happy to participate. How does this tie into the topic at hand? It's simple: the report culture enforces "bans for transgressions". You make an "actionable" post and you get punished. Great penal system, but the result is exactly what it is - mods getting convenient opportunities to ban random knee-jerk reactions, while posting nonsensical baits for years is perfectly fine. When is something bait, and when is something a real opinion that you just vehemently disagree with. Pretty much everything xmz ever says just seems completely trolly absurd to me. But he's kept it up for way too long for me to think that he doesn't actually believe all the drivel he spouts. And he never resorts to flaming or other "harmful" behaviour. So I just learn to coexist and mostly ignore his posts (other than an odd snipe every now and then when I can't control myself). Rodya might be intentionally baiting, I wouldn't know. But really, just don't get baited into going off the deep end. Here's an analogy: I 100% think Materazzi is a massive dick and one of the shittiest football players ever, but it doesn't matter what I think, and it doesn't matter what Materazzi whispered in Zidane's ear. Zidane 100% deserved the red card for headbutting him. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria837 Posts
On February 26 2019 20:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: Should not be controversial that moderators and posters both want bad posters gone/rehabilitated and good posters to post. The controversial part, where there is occasionally massive disagreement, is about what constitutes a good poster and a bad poster. Especially true for political threads in this forum where "bad poster" means disagreement with one's opinion. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7986 Posts
On February 27 2019 04:03 SC-Shield wrote: Especially true for political threads in this forum where "bad poster" means disagreement with one's opinion. It doesn’t really. The main problem with political thread is bad faith. Some posters are so partisan that there is nothing to even start discussing and the conversation is all about sticking it to the other side. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On February 25 2019 23:02 KwarK wrote: We have the same interests and are drawn from the same population. We gain nothing from suppressing good posters. Our only compensation is shared by all, a better forum for everyone. A difference in power does not require an adversarial relationship. If one user has the power to ban people and another only has the power to report people they’re both still part of the same team working for website moderation. after 8years + on tl, i humbly disagree with that statement when applied to this forum. Furthermore i'm frowned upon so i'll shut up then. | ||
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Jealous
10285 Posts
On February 28 2019 19:33 fluidrone wrote: Sorry, after 8years + on tl, i humbly disagree with that statement when applied to this forum. Furthermore i'm frowned upon so i'll shut up then. As one of the most warned/banned members on this entire site, all I can say is you deserve it. Some people (you, opisska, others) really have no foundation for your complaints. The amount of leniency you've received is astounding. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Fluidrone on the other hand, just spits on the continual leniency that is ever afforded him. Anyways, some mods are crazy "respect my authoriteh" types and other mods aren't. Different mods are different people. It only takes one mod to turn the relationship adversarial, and the power difference always ensure that the mod has the power over the normal user. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9776 Posts
Occasionally you get someone who says "Fuck you man, I don't take my shoes off for anyone" and then complains to anyone who'll listen when they get kicked out. These people are assholes. Sometimes they are pretty funny though, I think that is what can buy you a bit of leniency. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On February 28 2019 20:37 Jealous wrote: As one of the most warned/banned members on this entire site, all I can say is you deserve it. Some people (you, opisska, others) really have no foundation for your complaints. The amount of leniency you've received is astounding. 1 i'm not the most whatever nor do i want to be that / known as that... i deserve what? to be getting 90 days after dear old manifesto told peeps that hated my guts to chill out? i should never have lost my baskerville account... leave it at that <3 2 we have no foundation? so being here and posting is not that? ok... 3 the amount of leniency ? this amount is directly proportionate to the fact that "we" (whoever you were referencing i guess) want to make this forum a better place and yes we are "wholesome" people who will never let go, unless we choose to. Go see if i ve ever insulted anyone or typed spam or typed anything remotely ban worthy .. please make a list and despair ... 4 i am not complaining in the slightest.. all little me was saying was that Kwarks' post segment i quoted and probably Bolded too was wrong? (sorry got to go edit my message quick if i didn't already  )5 leniency is subjective when you got baited in the first place.. no? .. all my mod notes show is a passionate someone that wont take sh it unwarranted from other human beings.. and particularly not moderators of such a nice website. You can play at the mod game all you want (3 pages of mod notes joke hype) but you ain't doing it man, you ain't even close to making me feel anything bad about my presence/posting on tl i feelsmoreliquid than you apparently :/ Edit: On February 28 2019 23:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote: What does opisska ever get banned for? I don't think I ever really had cause to see him banned except when reacting to troll posts from a certain russian poster. Fluidrone on the other hand, just spits on the continual leniency that is ever afforded him. Anyways, some mods are crazy "respect my authoriteh" types and other mods aren't. Different mods are different people. It only takes one mod to turn the relationship adversarial, and the power difference always ensure that the mod has the power over the normal user. i'm curious could you link the spit takes? coz if i've ever spit unto someone i'd like to check the replay please.. to know who to present excuses to .. (must resist urge to copy paste emote .. grrr) really nice to be spat on in such a fashion .. wp! show of character 10/10 also, off topic much? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 28 2019 23:10 Jockmcplop wrote: What if they are American, so they don't take shoes off?The mods are just guys who ask you to take your shoes off in their house. Occasionally you get someone who says "Fuck you man, I don't take my shoes off for anyone" and then complains to anyone who'll listen when they get kicked out. These people are assholes. Sometimes they are pretty funny though, I think that is what can buy you a bit of leniency. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11757 Posts
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50637 Posts
On February 28 2019 23:54 farvacola wrote: Can confirm, my bare feet have never seen the light of day. MURICA!! | ||
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Luolis
Finland7160 Posts
edit: I'd also like to add, that i don't like the fact that you can be a condescending and unpleasant person, and you wont be actioned for it as long as you don't use a bad word, or just do it passive aggressively. But if you go and tell your opinion honestly, it's straight up banworthy. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37061 Posts
On March 01 2019 02:10 Luolis wrote: I dunno what the point is about having Rodya, who i've never seen do a post with something valuable while banning Ej at the same time. True, Ej:s post wasn't the nicest, but i think he's still right with his point. edit: I'd also like to add, that i don't like the fact that you can be a condescending and unpleasant person, and you wont be actioned for it as long as you don't use a bad word, or just do it passive aggressively. But if you go and tell your opinion honestly, it's straight up banworthy. Every moderator is different. There’s a chance that the mod actions carried out would have been different if some other mod had gotten to the report. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On March 01 2019 02:10 Luolis wrote: I dunno what the point is about having Rodya, who i've never seen do a post with something valuable while banning Ej at the same time. True, Ej:s post wasn't the nicest, but i think he's still right with his point. edit: I'd also like to add, that i don't like the fact that you can be a condescending and unpleasant person, and you wont be actioned for it as long as you don't use a bad word, or just do it passive aggressively. But if you go and tell your opinion honestly, it's straight up banworthy. Ej_ has been getting away with being condescending and unpleasant person for ages. This is a guy who after a minor disagreement over some anime stuff I can't even remember, started to passive aggressively disagree with everything I wrote in the LR BW and SC2 threads afterwards, I kid you not. I barely even notice the guy till then, but I assume he's been acting this way forever. He knows the line to skirt very well indeed, he probably thought he could just get away with calling someone a genuine fucking idiot because of the other guy. | ||
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