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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 02 2016 08:14 GMT
#55941
On September 02 2016 12:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
EJK was just temp banned for 30 days by The_Templar.

That account was created on 2013-09-17 08:15:48 and had 1282 posts.

Reason: K


Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 10:03 EJK wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:51 avilo wrote:
On September 02 2016 03:00 EJK wrote:
On September 02 2016 01:41 avilo wrote:
On September 01 2016 23:23 EJK wrote:
1 word. Ghosts. Libs also kill queens when you zone right on top of them, which makes queen comps not viable.

Only problem is there seems to be a significant inability to properly conttrol ghosts which leads people to believe they aren't great


Doubt you've played the Zerg side of the match-up. Ghosts can be yanked/nullified by making 15+ queens late game. You emp a clump of queens or vipers = dead ghosts = lost vespene gas where the Zerg just lost minerals.

Queen comps beat everything Terran has when the Zerg uses vipers, and broods and such. It's kind of up to the Terran to massively outplay with perfect emp/snipe on vipers, and then get enough good seeker hits etc. But Zerg basically has to screw up at this point in the game.

Played the match-up from both sides. From the Terran side, i win when Z messes up and let's me emp/snipe vipers. From the Zerg side, every time the game has gotten to this point i've never lost a single game lol.

I actually have played vs ghost lib from the zerg point of view (I offrace random), I died against the ghost lib comp because the terran player kept taking better engagements from being able to scan and set up his army perfectly (I had no idea where the guys libs/ghosts were and in general little to no vision in his army was my biggest frusturation)


To be honest, Whenever I win, it is a massive landslide because I know exactly how im controlling my units and how to pick off different zerg units, and I have strong ghost control as well (I consistently get snipes off vs everything except when broodlings are swamping the ghosts).


Queens work well against raven-based deathball armies IMO because they drain PDD extremely fast. But if you have 8-10 queens in your army as a zerg player, thats like 20 supply of your entire standing army (which is huge when you are crafting a perfect deathball). Queens are great when you need a mineral dump, but they are far from the ideal units you want to be filling your army with as zerg


You're playing the Zerg side of the match-up incorrectly then if you're losing to ghost/liberator. Once you have 10-12 brood + mass queen + 10+ vipers ghost liberator will do nothing versus you. As Zerg you can continously parasitic bomb clumps of units and abduct into your 20+ spores. Gets even easier for Z if you incorporate double/triple nydus network late game to just kill bases/infrastructure for free.

You also prob don't have 10+ overseer to continously use changelings like Terran scans. You can almost always know where their army is as Zerg.

Trust me - playing both sides of this match-up at GM level, the Zerg has to make really bad mistakes to lose when they reach this stage. Terran has to outplay/play god tier with raven/ghost and a few liberators to beat it, as well as positional nukes.

Honestly, i think ghosts would be a great counter...if the ghost snipe wasn't handicapped as it is right now with the ability being cancelled so often.


avilo you are a stinky haired jew.


Mod pls ban me for 30 days, I think i deserve it for insulting avilo. I can't find the MOD names to contact and would like a 30 day ban, so if that insult isn't enough, ill do some more


User was temp banned for this post.


nobody should even feel like they won because they were banned.

Avilo please use shampoo.

Is this where you give them 30 days for the request, and another 30 for the insult?
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 02 2016 11:32 GMT
#55942
Stinky haired jew lol i'd ban him more for considering that an insult
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
September 02 2016 11:37 GMT
#55943
I wonder what caused this reaction from EJK. Because let's be honest avilo wasn't really unreasonable in his comments.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 02 2016 12:10 GMT
#55944
On September 02 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:
I wonder what caused this reaction from EJK. Because let's be honest avilo wasn't really unreasonable in his comments.


That's only because for avilo, you set the bar for reason really low. I can see how people are irritated talking to him, because he just keeps repeating his "truths" like they were the revealed holy scripture and anyone else knows nothing about the game. If he has actually ever won anything, then it would resonate better, but as it is, it's just annoying.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 12:29:53
September 02 2016 12:18 GMT
#55945
On September 02 2016 21:10 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 20:37 Elentos wrote:
I wonder what caused this reaction from EJK. Because let's be honest avilo wasn't really unreasonable in his comments.


That's only because for avilo, you set the bar for reason really low. I can see how people are irritated talking to him, because he just keeps repeating his "truths" like they were the revealed holy scripture and anyone else knows nothing about the game. If he has actually ever won anything, then it would resonate better, but as it is, it's just annoying.

Reading through the whole comment chain EJK seems just as bad tbh. Which is really weird because it's avilo I'm comparing him to after all.

Especially
On September 01 2016 23:23 EJK wrote:
1 word. Ghosts. Libs also kill queens when you zone right on top of them, which makes queen comps not viable.

Only problem is there seems to be a significant inability to properly conttrol ghosts which leads people to believe they aren't great

makes it seem like he's sitting on a pretty high horse. It actually had me surprised avilo didn't just straight insult him (because honestly that's what he'd usually do) but maybe he doesn't want to get banned from TL again.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-02 13:07:28
September 02 2016 12:43 GMT
#55946
On August 31 2016 21:07 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 21:06 Elentos wrote:
On August 31 2016 20:09 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 31 2016 14:46 Heartland wrote:
On August 31 2016 03:11 OtherWorld wrote:
On August 31 2016 01:09 Paljas wrote:
On August 30 2016 20:49 Plexa wrote:
On August 30 2016 05:36 Elentos wrote:
No interesting bans since August 26, and only 1 advertising ban. Must be the calm before the storm.

Could it be that we've finally won the battle against the internet?

sc2 being literally dead probably helps

Are you telling us that one wins a battle by dying?


all this time tl has just been a parable for christianity

Lichter is Ben.
Stu is Charles Whitmore.
Teo is Faraday

I don't know about the rest.

Does TL also end in a church for no reason?

If Disneyland is a church...

Dishmeland is definitely a church! also it is an acquired taste to be redirected to walt'land and quite a potent one!
i always felt people temp banned should experience it too (seems unfair to cut them off from such an experience). it is unlike anything else and lets face it, kind of "rick roll" of sorts.
(it would fit in well with a Christmas special temp ban spree, for instance)
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On August 31 2016 21:14 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2016 21:13 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 31 2016 21:12 Elentos wrote:
On August 31 2016 21:06 Cricketer12 wrote:
On August 31 2016 21:02 Elentos wrote:
swag_bro is Jesus, he died for our sins.

Someone had to say it.

What about Sack of Wet Mice?

One of the 12 Apostles, clearly. Maybe even Judas.

Do we pull the other 11 from the Shitpost PR? Or are they all various embodiments of R1CH quotes?

I think fluidrone is probably an Apostle and R1CH's "everyone is a shitty poster" bot is John the Baptist

Don't get me into trouble you
"not enough rights"
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 02 2016 13:17 GMT
#55947
Most of the time I've seen Avilo post on TL about balance he seems somewhat reasonable, his stream on the other hand...
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 02 2016 14:11 GMT
#55948
On September 02 2016 22:17 Ansibled wrote:
Most of the time I've seen Avilo post on TL about balance he seems somewhat reasonable, his stream on the other hand...

We know though, that he is only getting good at hiding that he is unreasonable. So no real point in engaging in discussion, unless you feel like being pulled down to his level.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 02 2016 21:28 GMT
#55949
How does he know that Avilo is stinky? I mean I know he looks unwashed and tried to hide it by wearing hats, but still.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
September 03 2016 02:05 GMT
#55950
On September 02 2016 17:14 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2016 12:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
EJK was just temp banned for 30 days by The_Templar.

That account was created on 2013-09-17 08:15:48 and had 1282 posts.

Reason: K


On September 02 2016 10:03 EJK wrote:
On September 02 2016 09:51 avilo wrote:
On September 02 2016 03:00 EJK wrote:
On September 02 2016 01:41 avilo wrote:
On September 01 2016 23:23 EJK wrote:
1 word. Ghosts. Libs also kill queens when you zone right on top of them, which makes queen comps not viable.

Only problem is there seems to be a significant inability to properly conttrol ghosts which leads people to believe they aren't great


Doubt you've played the Zerg side of the match-up. Ghosts can be yanked/nullified by making 15+ queens late game. You emp a clump of queens or vipers = dead ghosts = lost vespene gas where the Zerg just lost minerals.

Queen comps beat everything Terran has when the Zerg uses vipers, and broods and such. It's kind of up to the Terran to massively outplay with perfect emp/snipe on vipers, and then get enough good seeker hits etc. But Zerg basically has to screw up at this point in the game.

Played the match-up from both sides. From the Terran side, i win when Z messes up and let's me emp/snipe vipers. From the Zerg side, every time the game has gotten to this point i've never lost a single game lol.

I actually have played vs ghost lib from the zerg point of view (I offrace random), I died against the ghost lib comp because the terran player kept taking better engagements from being able to scan and set up his army perfectly (I had no idea where the guys libs/ghosts were and in general little to no vision in his army was my biggest frusturation)


To be honest, Whenever I win, it is a massive landslide because I know exactly how im controlling my units and how to pick off different zerg units, and I have strong ghost control as well (I consistently get snipes off vs everything except when broodlings are swamping the ghosts).


Queens work well against raven-based deathball armies IMO because they drain PDD extremely fast. But if you have 8-10 queens in your army as a zerg player, thats like 20 supply of your entire standing army (which is huge when you are crafting a perfect deathball). Queens are great when you need a mineral dump, but they are far from the ideal units you want to be filling your army with as zerg


You're playing the Zerg side of the match-up incorrectly then if you're losing to ghost/liberator. Once you have 10-12 brood + mass queen + 10+ vipers ghost liberator will do nothing versus you. As Zerg you can continously parasitic bomb clumps of units and abduct into your 20+ spores. Gets even easier for Z if you incorporate double/triple nydus network late game to just kill bases/infrastructure for free.

You also prob don't have 10+ overseer to continously use changelings like Terran scans. You can almost always know where their army is as Zerg.

Trust me - playing both sides of this match-up at GM level, the Zerg has to make really bad mistakes to lose when they reach this stage. Terran has to outplay/play god tier with raven/ghost and a few liberators to beat it, as well as positional nukes.

Honestly, i think ghosts would be a great counter...if the ghost snipe wasn't handicapped as it is right now with the ability being cancelled so often.


avilo you are a stinky haired jew.


Mod pls ban me for 30 days, I think i deserve it for insulting avilo. I can't find the MOD names to contact and would like a 30 day ban, so if that insult isn't enough, ill do some more


User was temp banned for this post.


nobody should even feel like they won because they were banned.

Avilo please use shampoo.

Is this where you give them 30 days for the request, and another 30 for the insult?

apparently yes + another 30 days for threatening doing more insults
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 11:58:06
September 04 2016 11:57 GMT
#55951
On September 04 2016 17:23 WinterViewbot420 wrote:
Fuck it my collarbone is broken and I can't afford surgery or pain pills, I'll write this shit.

I'm glad you guys are seeing the end of your game because as a member of the BW community I can't go anywhere without being called a BW elitist, or a BW sucker, or some other offensive term that says I'm supporting a dead game. David Kim is nice but he's the worst balance designer I've ever seen and the game's fucked up at such a low level there's no fixing it without an absolute overhaul, which after six years and two expansions will never happen. I can't say a thing bad about SC2 on the StarCraft subreddit or the SC2 part of TL without having people shit on me. I stopped trying to talk about it here and Reddit just loves to hate on BW as if it's a SC2-only subreddit. SC2 is dying because David Kim is an idiot and instead of taking it into your own hands and breaking the EULA just like Fish, iCCup, Brain, Netcraft, Amazon, or any other Brood War server you guys kept taking it up the ass, while complaining about having to take it up the ass then doing nothing about it. You waited for Blizzard to do something.

I know not everybody is like this and I truly do wish the best of luck for StarCraft II as a game, but as a community you guys are some of the most entitled, elitist, and laziest people I've ever had the distaste of seeing and being a part of. You guys don't even let people talk about other games as if it's a sin to play anything but SC2, even if it's fucking Mario or some shit.

User was banned for this post.

Reason: Unbanning you was a mistake.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 04 2016 12:00 GMT
#55952
A great loss to TL.
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
September 04 2016 12:45 GMT
#55953
How many times was this guy banned this year? I just dont understand people like these. How can you be so angry?
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
September 04 2016 13:08 GMT
#55954
Too many times ^^
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
September 04 2016 13:27 GMT
#55955
So SC2>BW that was the point right?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 04 2016 14:10 GMT
#55956
he is such a nice guy, he even makes all points against him himself so that we dont even need to reply
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 14:11:24
September 04 2016 14:11 GMT
#55957
On September 04 2016 21:00 Phredxor wrote:
A great loss to TL.

A shame.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13995 Posts
September 04 2016 14:16 GMT
#55958
On September 04 2016 23:11 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2016 21:00 Phredxor wrote:
A great loss to TL.

A shame.

Sad.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
September 04 2016 14:40 GMT
#55959
http://shamenun.com/
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-04 15:26:51
September 04 2016 15:22 GMT
#55960
GG Winter, I'll miss you

Edit: I just wanna say I kinda agree with him regarding this community. Especially the "entitled, elitist" part. I was once on 9GAG and saw a post about Grubby saving a peon in WC3 from storm bolt. 9GAG comments did have a nice share of "lol noob game" "check sc2 saving a drone" "play sc2 and you will know this is a very basic micro noobs"... etc.

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