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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10181 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 01:48:51
May 24 2016 01:48 GMT
#54921
I've used the same password for 95% of my accounts all my life and because of steadily increasing security measures I've been forced to try up to 5/6 different variations of thisismypass Thisismypass Thisismypass4 ThisIsMyPass4 ThisIsMyPass4. This4IsMy.Pass etc. Every time my cookies or machine changes.

Actual elements of password have been changed btw. My TL pass is actually the simplest one on any of my accounts anywhere and one of the few different from the rest ^^
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
May 24 2016 03:51 GMT
#54922
On May 24 2016 05:03 Mojzii1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 04:52 RoomOfMush wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:12 Jealous wrote:
RoomOfMush
On May 24 2016 01:53 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2016 21:57 B-royal wrote:
On May 23 2016 05:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2016 04:42 B-royal wrote:
I don't think any type of implementation of race picking or arranged matches should be a high priority goal.

Since if your goal is to practice one match-up, I believe you should just play custom games.

I do agree however that when it comes to a game like brood war, allowing people to make detailed choices relating to somewhat trivial preferences such as the types of match-ups they want to play, is the way to go.

It should however be prespecified which match-ups you would like to play, no switching upon seeing someone's race to avoid situations where both players want to switch and can't reach a compromise.

If you want to ladder, you have to abide by its rules.

I would hardly say that the types of match-ups you play are "trivial," as they are a core aspect of what this game is lol


Depends on how you look at it. Since most people don't care about getting good, there's no real reason for them to let the difficulty of a match-up hinder their ability to get enjoyment from it.

This is why I said it would be a trivial choice for them, they switch races as they switch their clothes every other day.

Someone who tries to become the best player he can be, doesn't have this option since the absolute elite don't respect race picking as it wasn't allowed by KeSpa.

That's actually the opposite of how I see it. Because no one is trying to become pro, why play match-ups you detest? It simply doesn't make sense to do something you don't like.

And I would say that "most" people, or at least from the profiles I've seen on ICCup/Fish, have definite race/MU selections with only a few games played with other races on a whim I'm guessing. Almost no one switches races every day, and the people that do are often Random players. Either way, this does not make an argument that picking MU is trivial.

By the way, KeSPA definitely did allow race-picking. See: July vs. Chojja, Savior vs. I forget who, etc.

That is so much hypocrisy coming from a guy who also doesnt want custom hotkeys.
On one topic you talk about principles when arguing your point and then on another topic you suddenly look at what is practical / comfortable.

You can either be the hard core guy who says everybody should suffer the same awful BW and stop pussying around because of hotkeys but then you suddenly become the "lets just have fun guys" guy and want people to enjoy themselfs. Make up your mind.

This is not hypocrotical because they are completely unrelated issues on both of which I essentially have the same stance: maintaining status quo. Race-picking has always been a part of Brood War, even in KeSPA unlike what this nonsensical Mojzil claims, as have the limitations on what is acceptable for keyboard inputs and macros.

When I said "wouldn't be fun" it was an understatement that is still true. The fact of the matter is that for a new server to come out that is more limited in key areas than previous servers that it aims to improve on doesn't make sense. Not allowing keyboard input modifications would be maintaining status quo and eliminate any potential inequities caused by dishonest users as well as the slew of issues that permission would create, which as you mentioned I've already expounded on. Inversely, disallowing race-picking would be a step backwards from ICCup and Fish and would alienate many users who have been playing Brood War with status quo standards for years.

You can not say something is "a step backwards" or "a step forwards" without defining what forward and backward is. So what is forward to you? What is a limit and what is a feature? What is a feature and what is a challenge?
Do you pick them at random? Do you pick them at your own pleasure and force them upon people?

You have to pick a basic principle to argue your point. A central idea. Otherwise what you say is just arbitrary words and your opinion is as valid (and just as unimportant) as what a random number generator would spew out.


My opinion from the begining was that race-picking is bad for competition. I fell sorry for you to be that dumb and unable to perceive content of my sentence. Well whatever..


User was temp banned for this post.

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10181 Posts
May 24 2016 04:34 GMT
#54923
On May 24 2016 12:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 05:03 Mojzii1 wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:52 RoomOfMush wrote:
On May 24 2016 04:12 Jealous wrote:
RoomOfMush
On May 24 2016 01:53 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2016 21:57 B-royal wrote:
On May 23 2016 05:58 Jealous wrote:
On May 23 2016 04:42 B-royal wrote:
I don't think any type of implementation of race picking or arranged matches should be a high priority goal.

Since if your goal is to practice one match-up, I believe you should just play custom games.

I do agree however that when it comes to a game like brood war, allowing people to make detailed choices relating to somewhat trivial preferences such as the types of match-ups they want to play, is the way to go.

It should however be prespecified which match-ups you would like to play, no switching upon seeing someone's race to avoid situations where both players want to switch and can't reach a compromise.

If you want to ladder, you have to abide by its rules.

I would hardly say that the types of match-ups you play are "trivial," as they are a core aspect of what this game is lol


Depends on how you look at it. Since most people don't care about getting good, there's no real reason for them to let the difficulty of a match-up hinder their ability to get enjoyment from it.

This is why I said it would be a trivial choice for them, they switch races as they switch their clothes every other day.

Someone who tries to become the best player he can be, doesn't have this option since the absolute elite don't respect race picking as it wasn't allowed by KeSpa.

That's actually the opposite of how I see it. Because no one is trying to become pro, why play match-ups you detest? It simply doesn't make sense to do something you don't like.

And I would say that "most" people, or at least from the profiles I've seen on ICCup/Fish, have definite race/MU selections with only a few games played with other races on a whim I'm guessing. Almost no one switches races every day, and the people that do are often Random players. Either way, this does not make an argument that picking MU is trivial.

By the way, KeSPA definitely did allow race-picking. See: July vs. Chojja, Savior vs. I forget who, etc.

That is so much hypocrisy coming from a guy who also doesnt want custom hotkeys.
On one topic you talk about principles when arguing your point and then on another topic you suddenly look at what is practical / comfortable.

You can either be the hard core guy who says everybody should suffer the same awful BW and stop pussying around because of hotkeys but then you suddenly become the "lets just have fun guys" guy and want people to enjoy themselfs. Make up your mind.

This is not hypocrotical because they are completely unrelated issues on both of which I essentially have the same stance: maintaining status quo. Race-picking has always been a part of Brood War, even in KeSPA unlike what this nonsensical Mojzil claims, as have the limitations on what is acceptable for keyboard inputs and macros.

When I said "wouldn't be fun" it was an understatement that is still true. The fact of the matter is that for a new server to come out that is more limited in key areas than previous servers that it aims to improve on doesn't make sense. Not allowing keyboard input modifications would be maintaining status quo and eliminate any potential inequities caused by dishonest users as well as the slew of issues that permission would create, which as you mentioned I've already expounded on. Inversely, disallowing race-picking would be a step backwards from ICCup and Fish and would alienate many users who have been playing Brood War with status quo standards for years.

You can not say something is "a step backwards" or "a step forwards" without defining what forward and backward is. So what is forward to you? What is a limit and what is a feature? What is a feature and what is a challenge?
Do you pick them at random? Do you pick them at your own pleasure and force them upon people?

You have to pick a basic principle to argue your point. A central idea. Otherwise what you say is just arbitrary words and your opinion is as valid (and just as unimportant) as what a random number generator would spew out.


My opinion from the begining was that race-picking is bad for competition. I fell sorry for you to be that dumb and unable to perceive content of my sentence. Well whatever..


User was temp banned for this post.


The irony is that RoomOfMush wasn't even talking to him.

The sad part is he apologized in the thread right before he got banned ):
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 08:31:52
May 24 2016 08:31 GMT
#54924
On May 24 2016 07:21 seemsgood wrote:
Congrat STATS!
I intended to do a timing whine before 3rd mail but TL's mail icon is wayyyyy too small so i missed the second mail and got banned for 2 days.

Such unfortunate.......


Apparently, whining is now an RTS of its own )
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 24 2016 09:42 GMT
#54925
On May 24 2016 18:38 kzdanze wrote:
Jewish people should not be able to partake in e-sports.
Races are not equal and therefore have different rights.

9/11 was a good event.

Hitler had a good influence in the way the world works today.

Delete my Teamliquid account, I have the right to privacy and the right to have my account deleted.
Fuck teamliquid u fucked cunts


Impressive.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
May 24 2016 09:44 GMT
#54926
On May 24 2016 18:42 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 18:38 kzdanze wrote:
Jewish people should not be able to partake in e-sports.
Races are not equal and therefore have different rights.

9/11 was a good event.

Hitler had a good influence in the way the world works today.

Delete my Teamliquid account, I have the right to privacy and the right to have my account deleted.
Fuck teamliquid u fucked cunts


Impressive.

I wonder what triggered this.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
May 24 2016 09:47 GMT
#54927
On May 24 2016 18:44 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 18:42 Phredxor wrote:
On May 24 2016 18:38 kzdanze wrote:
Jewish people should not be able to partake in e-sports.
Races are not equal and therefore have different rights.

9/11 was a good event.

Hitler had a good influence in the way the world works today.

Delete my Teamliquid account, I have the right to privacy and the right to have my account deleted.
Fuck teamliquid u fucked cunts


Impressive.

I wonder what triggered this.


Hadn't posted in 3 years, then brings out the jew hate.

Classic internet.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
May 24 2016 13:21 GMT
#54928
On May 24 2016 18:42 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2016 18:38 kzdanze wrote:
Jewish people should not be able to partake in e-sports.
Races are not equal and therefore have different rights.

9/11 was a good event.

Hitler had a good influence in the way the world works today.

Delete my Teamliquid account, I have the right to privacy and the right to have my account deleted.
Fuck teamliquid u fucked cunts


Impressive.

So entitled...
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
May 24 2016 14:37 GMT
#54929
Jesus guys we don't have full intel. Maybe he was dead drunk, maybe he was on acid while reading The Protocol of the Elders of Zion, maybe he made the enlightened and informed decision to troll, maybe he's just a stupid and incoherent fool.
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SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 18:04:33
May 24 2016 14:49 GMT
#54930
On May 24 2016 23:37 OtherWorld wrote:
Jesus guys we don't have full intel. Maybe he was dead drunk, maybe he was on acid while reading The Protocol of the Elders of Zion, maybe he made the enlightened and informed decision to troll, maybe he's just a stupid and incoherent fool.


Any ways, it's still quite fun imo ^^
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 24 2016 16:35 GMT
#54931
People cant hold the door
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
May 24 2016 19:45 GMT
#54932
Wow borderline spoiling GoT in ABL, how very brave of you.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 24 2016 19:51 GMT
#54933
Its like everywhere on the internet now man

I am fortunately not a book reader.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
May 24 2016 21:17 GMT
#54934
On May 25 2016 04:45 Cokefreak wrote:
Wow borderline spoiling GoT in ABL, how very brave of you.

your post is worse because it links the two.....
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
May 24 2016 21:18 GMT
#54935
Well at least my excuse isn't "everyone else is doing it".
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
May 24 2016 21:18 GMT
#54936
On May 25 2016 06:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 04:45 Cokefreak wrote:
Wow borderline spoiling GoT in ABL, how very brave of you.

your post is worse because it links the two.....


You both need some time off to play cricket now
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
May 24 2016 21:51 GMT
#54937
On May 25 2016 06:18 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 06:17 dAPhREAk wrote:
On May 25 2016 04:45 Cokefreak wrote:
Wow borderline spoiling GoT in ABL, how very brave of you.

your post is worse because it links the two.....


You both need some time off to play cricket together now
Which particular set of rules should they employ?
"not enough rights"
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
May 24 2016 22:25 GMT
#54938
On May 25 2016 07:24 TL.net Bot wrote:
fluidrone was just temp banned for 30 days by Seeker.

That account was created on 2015-01-20 20:36:32 and had 739 posts.

Reason: Blah blah blah you're not getting it... Blah blah blah don't post memes on TL... Blah Blah blah terrible mod history... Blah blah blah you get the point.


the post
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-24 22:32:35
May 24 2016 22:31 GMT
#54939
On May 25 2016 07:25 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2016 07:24 TL.net Bot wrote:
fluidrone was just temp banned for 30 days by Seeker.

That account was created on 2015-01-20 20:36:32 and had 739 posts.

Reason: Blah blah blah you're not getting it... Blah blah blah don't post memes on TL... Blah Blah blah terrible mod history... Blah blah blah you get the point.


the post

le sigh... This old story again.

I almost want to post a Picard facepalm because it would be super appropriate for the situation.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
May 24 2016 22:41 GMT
#54940
Hahaha never change fldrn, I liked tacocat have to admit.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
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