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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:08 Craton wrote: I disagree. It comes off to me (and a number of other people I linked the thread to) as mods retroactively changing the scope of the thread. I mean, the only thing the thread even says is "look at this thing razor did; it shows TL impacted esports," yet you don't actually want anyone to talk about the razor APM mouse. It's absurd. If the thread was meant to be "lets rattle off a list of things TL did to affect esports" then it should've said that, or at the very least proposed the question of "what else has TL done [to affect esports]". I've got good odds people didn't even recognize that the underlined text were links and not just section headings. You know, on second thought, I think you've got a point. But if a person read (the rest of) the thread before posting, the string of warnings and bans probably should probably alert him or her that something's up. | ||
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
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Gonzodamus
United States273 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:08 Craton wrote: I disagree. It comes off to me (and a number of other people I linked the thread to) as mods retroactively changing the scope of the thread. I mean, the only thing the thread even says is "look at this thing razor did; it shows TL impacted esports," yet you don't actually want anyone to talk about the razor APM mouse. It's absurd. If the thread was meant to be "lets rattle off a list of things TL did to affect esports" then it should've said that, or at the very least proposed the question of "what else has TL done [to affect esports]". I've got good odds people didn't even recognize that the underlined text were links and not just section headings. I thought so at first too, but some of the responses are just so far off that they deserve the warning. Take the first response for example. The poster clearly didn't read the OP at all - just a few key words. The OP clearly isn't about whether the Razer gear is good or not. It's about how cool it is that TL influenced the gear. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 02 2010 15:18 Zona wrote: You know, on second thought, I think you've got a point. But if a person read (the rest of) the thread before posting, the string of warnings and bans probably should probably alert him or her that something's up. The warnings didn't exist when Jibba decided to warn or ban a page and a half. It should tell you something when every single reply is talking about something different than you expect it to (which is that the topic is not about what you think it is). | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
In the end though, I understand their concern and why they feel they should do it. We should all be willing to pay GOM for their service. A lot of us do, but a lot of people don't. It is not like it is expensive people. I just liked the TL made it simple to have it on while I do my work. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Now if you're on a Mac, then... | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:08 Craton wrote: I've got good odds people didn't even recognize that the underlined text were links and not just section headings. lol that's what i thought at first. | ||
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:13 Roffles wrote: Just watch it off GOM. It's not like you can't use the SQ test if you're on Windows. Now if you're on a Mac, then... Then this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171966 Works perfectly fine for me. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:01 Craton wrote: The warnings didn't exist when Jibba decided to warn or ban a page and a half. It should tell you something when every single reply is talking about something different than you expect it to (which is that the topic is not about what you think it is). No one got banned before I posted and reading the first page of posts, it's incredibly clear that people didn't read the OP at all. They read 'APM Lighting' and jumped at the chance to write about Razer. Half of them later admitted as much. 2/3 of the OP is about the BWCharts stuff. That's also precisely why I started with warnings. Maybe one or two people got caught in the crowd with everyone else, but the rest blatantly disregarded the OP. Beyond that, people should be reading more than just the OP before posting. I read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented: That's probably the key line where your brain should kick in, if you're actually reading the entire thing. There's no reason to think the OP is about the Razer stuff after reading that line.Think about the two different ways to approach that OP. If you read it as it's intended, it makes perfect sense. Short intro about the products, leading into a statement about TL and a link for where the term APM came from, and a final salutation of TL. If you read it as if those are headers/questions (and not links), then the entire thing makes no sense. This is what you'd be reading: I read that ad with a bit of "nostalgie" going back 7 years in the past, right here, on TeamLiquid.net where APM was invented: Who invented APM? Maybe some of you did not know about TL back then, but yes, this is the kind of impact that the TL community has on the world of eSports. It got Blizzard to add APM inside SC 2 and Razer inside its devices. Not bad. A round for TL Now some people were confused, but if you're confused your first reaction should not be to post that you're confused. It should be to read further and investigate. | ||
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:29 Roffles wrote: There you go then. I don't see why shutting down restreams is a problem. If you can get it to work off GOM, then why depend on a restream? This isn't like season 1 when their streams were down to 75% of viewers. Now everyone can get on. HQ stream has been unwatchable for most of S2 and S3 due to lag for me, in fact anyone in Australia or certain parts of Europe will probably tell you the same. I pay for the service because I like the VODs, however I watch a restream of the HQ instead of the LQ stream since I've paid for HQ anyway and I feel I should be entitled to it. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On December 02 2010 10:59 infinitestory wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173422 holy SHIT EPIC thread. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
In this case, the OP is kinda oddly worded. It opens by focusing on how Razer has this new APM lighting technology, then it talks much about how APM got its hold here on TL. It's not immediately obvious what the OP intends the discussion to be about, based on the OP text alone. When people write, they usually put the main topic in front, and when they read, they interpret the opening as a summary of sorts. That, I think, is why so many posters got confused and started talking about Razer's lighting technology. @ "the key line where your brain should kick in" If there is a key line in the middle where you must shift your view of the central topic of the post, then it's a badly written post. I still think the warns and bans have justification, though, since the title is "who 'invented' APM." EDIT: if below poster is correct, then I disagree with the warns/bans and I can clearly see where Craton is coming from. | ||
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Antiochus
Canada548 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:57 infinitestory wrote: People are lazy these days. They have been for a while. That's why tl;dr exists, that's why the first paragraph of a news story is all you really need to read (at least, for well written stories). Essays have been organized with the big, important, central details in the front forever. It's just standard to do so. In this case, the OP is kinda oddly worded. It opens by focusing on how Razer has this new APM lighting technology, then it talks much about how APM got its hold here on TL. It's not immediately obvious what the OP intends the discussion to be about, based on the OP text alone. When people write, they usually put the main topic in front, and when they read, they interpret the opening as a summary of sorts. That, I think, is why so many posters got confused and started talking about Razer's lighting technology. @ "the key line where your brain should kick in" If there is a key line in the middle where you must shift your view of the central topic of the post, then it's a badly written post. I still think the warns and bans have justification, though, since the title is "who 'invented' APM." I'm fairly certain the title was changed by a mod somewhere around page 4 or 5 to deal with said confusion as I seem to remember it being titled something else. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
baller confirmed to just be a normal dude, not an admin alt trolling account as suspected. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On December 02 2010 20:11 jalstar wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=173598 baller confirmed to just be a normal dude, not an admin alt trolling account as suspected. That's part of the troll. Hot_Bid is a master at this. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On December 02 2010 20:24 Megaliskuu wrote: That's part of the troll. Hot_Bid is a master at this. he definitely deserved it, not really funny anymore and things like what he wrote in that thread is something I can think of in my early days in TL. Also, kinda of a dick for ruining something that is well though out. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 02 2010 16:44 Jibba wrote: No one got banned before I posted and reading the first page of posts, it's incredibly clear that people didn't read the OP at all. They read 'APM Lighting' and jumped at the chance to write about Razer. Half of them later admitted as much. 2/3 of the OP is about the BWCharts stuff. That's also precisely why I started with warnings. Maybe one or two people got caught in the crowd with everyone else, but the rest blatantly disregarded the OP. Beyond that, people should be reading more than just the OP before posting. That's probably the key line where your brain should kick in, if you're actually reading the entire thing. There's no reason to think the OP is about the Razer stuff after reading that line. Think about the two different ways to approach that OP. If you read it as it's intended, it makes perfect sense. Short intro about the products, leading into a statement about TL and a link for where the term APM came from, and a final salutation of TL. If you read it as if those are headers/questions (and not links), then the entire thing makes no sense. This is what you'd be reading: Now some people were confused, but if you're confused your first reaction should not be to post that you're confused. It should be to read further and investigate. This is exactly my point. His post without mentioning the Razor product would be without substance, or by the way you called it, "makes no sense". Then it is safe to infer that mentioning the Razor product is an integral part of his post. In that regard, then, I don't see what is wrong with talking about the Razor product. I felt it was kind of important. A lot of other people did, as well - that's why they talked about it. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
rofl, complete masacre xD!!!! soooo many BANS! | ||
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