On February 10 2013 05:07 Asvhald wrote: This game's balance is fucking appalling. Nyxes, Lifestealers, Drows, PLs, QoPs (aka Queen O.P.) every flaming where, giving their players undeserved wins with their ability to cause havoc with minimal farm and/or brains required.
Quoting Idra, people need more self respect.
try playing smarter
Well thank you Einstein. I'm actually not complaining about being unable to win against these heroes (or should I say sorry excuses for heroes), but why should I have to play smarter when all they have to do is roll their ugly dorito-munching faces against the motherfucking keyboard?
if your quoting idra with regards to balance you might have problems/misplaced superiority complex. Look for excuses less, adopt a healthier mentality and you will enjoy the game more and get better faster. My qq is on a related note, im a little tired when ppl pick drow or some of the above mentioned heroes and get bitched for it right away or, worse, when my own team starts the game with gg they have drow we lost. What if the guy just feels like playing drow/pl/QoP not for supposed "opness" but for his own fun? I havent played nyx in a while and he's a lot of fun, doesn't mean I'm a skilless dorito-munching newb if I finally pick him. QoP is also pretty fun cause she can be so active around the map. Same goes for tryhard comboes. Ye they can be annoying to play vs, but opponents aren't supposed to prioritize your fun when picking
I'm quoting Idra not regarding balance (of which I have made my opinion crystal clear) but regarding OP hero pickers aka abusers, which is a breed of gamer that personally disgusts me, even if I am completely able to understand them. I haven't judged you regarding the reasons why you might pick one of these heroes, nor do I question your right to do so, but I find that in basically every game there is someone who does, and boy does it get annoying. It's like playing texas hold'em against people who always start with a pair in their hands. I want more fairness.
I can't wait for the separation of queues into ranked and unranked. Right now, tryhards suck most of the fun out of the game for me. I don't wanna play tournaments, scrims, or whatever. I just want to enjoy some good old fashioned dota pub fun, which seems missing in action lately, as, in addition to picks, I constantly see shit like minute-8-onwards-5-man-dota, 0 cs double roam supports from minute 1, tournament worthy lineups, etc... all in all, a seriousness about the game that I'd rather not see. I don't want to be forced to pick and play like they do just to have a flaming chance at not having a trash stomp game. Let these people duke it out in ranked queue: I want nothing to do with it. If at any point I feel like joining in, I'll do so. I want to be able to choose.
Last of it all, yes, you may have a point regarding my mentality. But if I see an elephant, I won't call it a toad in the name of a supposed healthier attitude, regardless if I am right or wrong. Pick what you want for the reasons that you want to: I won't judge that. It's all about personal choice. I don't repick these heroes if I random them, normally. I'll play them if I want to, or swap them if I don't want to. But I won't pick them one game after another just to win (in fact I never pick them), and I'd prefer to play with a like-minded pool of players.
Beg your pardon if you felt offended by that post of mine you quoted.
On February 10 2013 05:07 Asvhald wrote: This game's balance is fucking appalling. Nyxes, Lifestealers, Drows, PLs, QoPs (aka Queen O.P.) every flaming where, giving their players undeserved wins with their ability to cause havoc with minimal farm and/or brains required.
Quoting Idra, people need more self respect.
try playing smarter
Well thank you Einstein. I'm actually not complaining about being unable to win against these heroes (or should I say sorry excuses for heroes), but why should I have to play smarter when all they have to do is roll their ugly dorito-munching faces against the motherfucking keyboard?
if your quoting idra with regards to balance you might have problems/misplaced superiority complex. Look for excuses less, adopt a healthier mentality and you will enjoy the game more and get better faster. My qq is on a related note, im a little tired when ppl pick drow or some of the above mentioned heroes and get bitched for it right away or, worse, when my own team starts the game with gg they have drow we lost. What if the guy just feels like playing drow/pl/QoP not for supposed "opness" but for his own fun? I havent played nyx in a while and he's a lot of fun, doesn't mean I'm a skilless dorito-munching newb if I finally pick him. QoP is also pretty fun cause she can be so active around the map. Same goes for tryhard comboes. Ye they can be annoying to play vs, but opponents aren't supposed to prioritize your fun when picking
I'm quoting Idra not regarding balance (of which I have made my opinion crystal clear) but regarding OP hero pickers aka abusers, which is a breed of gamer that personally disgusts me, even if I am completely able to understand them. I haven't judged you regarding the reasons why you might pick one of these heroes, nor do I question your right to do so, but I find that in basically every game there is someone who does, and boy does it get annoying. It's like playing texas hold'em against people who always start with a pair in their hands. I want more fairness.
I can't wait for the separation of queues into ranked and unranked. Right now, tryhards suck most of the fun out of the game for me. I don't wanna play tournaments, scrims, or whatever. I just want to enjoy some good old fashioned dota pub fun, which seems missing in action lately, as, in addition to picks, I constantly see shit like minute-8-onwards-5-man-dota, 0 cs double roam supports from minute 1, tournament worthy lineups, etc... all in all, a seriousness about the game that I'd rather not see. I don't want to be forced to pick and play like they do just to have a flaming chance at not having a trash stomp game. Let these people duke it out in ranked queue: I want nothing to do with it. If at any point I feel like joining in, I'll do so. I want to be able to choose.
Last of it all, yes, you may have a point regarding my mentality. But if I see an elephant, I won't call it a toad in the name of a supposed healthier attitude, regardless if I am right or wrong. Pick what you want for the reasons that you want to: I won't judge that. It's all about personal choice. I don't repick these heroes if I random them, normally. I'll play them if I want to, or swap them if I don't want to. But I won't pick them one game after another just to win (in fact I never pick them), and I'd prefer to play with a like-minded pool of players.
Beg your pardon if you felt offended by that post of mine you quoted.
it then becomes an issue of self perception and attitude. What some see as "tryharding" could very well just be playing the game properly to others. If you're going to blame losing on other people "tryharding" , consider the following paradigm.
I almost always play while watching anime/lecture/tv shows/streams and play nonstandard all of my games, if anybody is paying most of their attention to Rota they're tryharding. Conversely, if I win while paying as much attention as I do its clearly because I'm awesome, and if I lose its due to tryhards.
while complaining about it might make you feel better, consider it just playing the game a certain style
my apologies Asvhald, your other posts just came off arrogant to me. I read them only as "im so much better and deserving but cause all those skill-less baddies pick good heroes I lose". Maybe it brought back bad memories from sc2 and irked me. Esp. that idra quote to me is the epitome of bming and discrediting other players for the sake of finding an excuses for own losses. + Show Spoiler +
(ah, the memories of the lovely Idra fan Zergs that would attribute all their loses to Op-ness of mindless ez-mode Protosses but wins to own skill ofc). Besides why didn't he switch from Z when that race become arguably very strong, where is his self-respect? /end rant sorry
While I don't particularly agree, as at my level (not very high) I don't find any single heroes particularly OP, to each their own. As far as QQ thread goes I can definitely see how you could get really tired of constantly facing tryhard stacks, and how people that only pick drow f.e. can be annoying. Still some of the things you describe you hate would be really fun to do with friends not for sake of winning, but to play the game properly and/or enjoy the game more (probably not so much for less organized opponents though)
Anyway hopefully your games get more enjoyable in the future
On February 11 2013 10:53 iokke wrote: my apologies Asvhald, your first other posts came off arrogant. It just read to me as "im so much better and deserving but cause all those skill-less baddies pick good heroes I lose". Maybe it brought back bad memories from sc2 and irked me. Esp. that idra quote to me is the epitome of bming and discrediting other players for the sake of finding an excuses for own losses. + Show Spoiler +
(ah, the memories of the lovely Idra fan Zergs that would attribute all their loses to Op-ness of mindless ez-mode Protosses but wins to own skill ofc). Besides why didn't he switch from Z when that race become arguably very strong, where is his self-respect? /end rant sorry
While I don't particularly agree with your logic, as at my level (normal) I don't find any single heroes particularly OP, to each their own. As far as QQ thread goes I can definitely see how you could get really tired of constantly facing tryhard stacks, and how people that only pick drow f.e. can be annoying. Still some of the things you describe you hate would be really fun to do with friends not for sake of winning, but to play the game properly and/or enjoy the game more (probably not so much for less organized opponents though)
Anyway hopefully your games get more enjoyable in the future
Well thank you and no harm done of course. I actually did sound like a bit of a dickhead, but hey this is a QQ thread and I use it to vent . And I believe IdrA, despite being super bad mannered about it and not having the right mental attitude for a competitive/professional player, was essentially right at the moment he said that (not because of that specific game which I don't even remember, but because of the state SC2 was in).
I play at the fringe between High/Very High (some games in one some in the other. More in High though), but I am actually quite mediocre at the game. But holy shit, a good number of people there must believe they are Dendi's unrecognized bastard child or something, judging by the way they try. After a while, it just gets real old real quick. And the whole purpose of my initial rant was to vent my frustration at a losing streak which included instances of every one of these heroes and play examples. Granted, bunch of those games we played like noobs, but there were some that I feel we deserved to win.
@Kupon3ss: I get what you say, and thanks for your input. I agree with what you say about attitude, and yes, if mine was different, I wouldn't be pissed about this whole issue. Thing is, regardless of if my attitude is good or bad, I believe there are serious issues with the game (hero balance) and the community (inexistence of separated ranked (visibly-ranked) and unranked (hidden ranking) queues) that should be addressed. If/when that happens, I'll be a much happier panda than I am now.
On February 11 2013 11:00 Zephirdd wrote: back to QQ:
Stupid AA has zero concept of basic mechanics and trashtalks every teammate on the team as if he is the smartest player in the world.
sad.
Wait something even sadder just happened!
A trio decided to do an agressive trilane with Lion, Shadow Shaman and JUGGER-FUCKING-NAUT on bottom lane(we are dire)! SO FUCKING GENIUS.
And then the trio, after 8 mins of no kills and our CK getting raped by a Sven/WR duo top lane, proceeds to blame that CK for the loss of the team. I mean, nevermind that 60% of the team is losing exp and doing shit to stop their creep pulls(REALLY?), it's the lone CK fault.
Oh, and some dipshit decided to counterpick my TA with viper to go mid. FML.
Yeah it's always frustrating when playing with the stack that isn't so great but they actively look for the black sheep and blame someone else, be it you or random teammate, especially in all chat. Ofc they proceed to jerk each other off in between flaming.
Had one when I was the victim despite the player in their stack giving up first blood, feeding courier mindlessly, and having most deaths while rarely helping out the team. Apparently there was nothing wrong with how he played but I was being bitched at from 1:00 and deserved a report (I didnt play that well but nowhere near their buddy's level). Funnest one was around 5 min into the game, when I was in radiant jungle, their 3rd dies top lane => i get the blame.
Though I am also to blame cause I told them early on I'm new to the hero I was playing, so I made myself an easy target.
Oh and AM that wasn't a part of the stack jumped onto the bandwagon after being complemented by them for being good and farming well (he had 3-4cs/min iirc).
On February 10 2013 05:07 Asvhald wrote: This game's balance is fucking appalling. Nyxes, Lifestealers, Drows, PLs, QoPs (aka Queen O.P.) every flaming where, giving their players undeserved wins with their ability to cause havoc with minimal farm and/or brains required.
Quoting Idra, people need more self respect.
try playing smarter
Well thank you Einstein. I'm actually not complaining about being unable to win against these heroes (or should I say sorry excuses for heroes), but why should I have to play smarter when all they have to do is roll their ugly dorito-munching faces against the motherfucking keyboard?
if your quoting idra with regards to balance you might have problems/misplaced superiority complex. Look for excuses less, adopt a healthier mentality and you will enjoy the game more and get better faster. My qq is on a related note, im a little tired when ppl pick drow or some of the above mentioned heroes and get bitched for it right away or, worse, when my own team starts the game with gg they have drow we lost. What if the guy just feels like playing drow/pl/QoP not for supposed "opness" but for his own fun? I havent played nyx in a while and he's a lot of fun, doesn't mean I'm a skilless dorito-munching newb if I finally pick him. QoP is also pretty fun cause she can be so active around the map. Same goes for tryhard comboes. Ye they can be annoying to play vs, but opponents aren't supposed to prioritize your fun when picking
I'm quoting Idra not regarding balance (of which I have made my opinion crystal clear) but regarding OP hero pickers aka abusers, which is a breed of gamer that personally disgusts me, even if I am completely able to understand them. I haven't judged you regarding the reasons why you might pick one of these heroes, nor do I question your right to do so, but I find that in basically every game there is someone who does, and boy does it get annoying. It's like playing texas hold'em against people who always start with a pair in their hands. I want more fairness.
I can't wait for the separation of queues into ranked and unranked. Right now, tryhards suck most of the fun out of the game for me. I don't wanna play tournaments, scrims, or whatever. I just want to enjoy some good old fashioned dota pub fun, which seems missing in action lately, as, in addition to picks, I constantly see shit like minute-8-onwards-5-man-dota, 0 cs double roam supports from minute 1, tournament worthy lineups, etc... all in all, a seriousness about the game that I'd rather not see. I don't want to be forced to pick and play like they do just to have a flaming chance at not having a trash stomp game. Let these people duke it out in ranked queue: I want nothing to do with it. If at any point I feel like joining in, I'll do so. I want to be able to choose.
Last of it all, yes, you may have a point regarding my mentality. But if I see an elephant, I won't call it a toad in the name of a supposed healthier attitude, regardless if I am right or wrong. Pick what you want for the reasons that you want to: I won't judge that. It's all about personal choice. I don't repick these heroes if I random them, normally. I'll play them if I want to, or swap them if I don't want to. But I won't pick them one game after another just to win (in fact I never pick them), and I'd prefer to play with a like-minded pool of players.
Beg your pardon if you felt offended by that post of mine you quoted.
You're literally mad and insulting people for playing the game well.
^ I'd give him credit for it being the QQ thread and venting, and for the fact that if you do face lots of "tryhard" stacks with unorganized teammates of your own, the game can become very frustrating. I've faced a couple back to back and it was boring as shit
Another QQ about stacks flaming non-stacked teammates. This game zeus calls GG from the start of the game cause opponents have drow, flames me and DK quite a bit with support from his friend (who actually played pretty well and didn't flame much, but still). Enigma got flamed most and while he maybe made a few mistakes he played just fine and better than zeus imo. At 1 point my shit bugged out and I couldn't ulti as medusa to save him (new mouse popped some macro recording shit up, keys didnt work). Right away, in all chat, I see a call for me to get reported for intentional feeding. For the remainder of us stomping Zeus proceeds to say its gg we lose all game. Later in the game just goes AFK. We win anyway. 0 deaths for me, the intentional feeder who should be reported. DK is 15-1-x, but apparently is a feeding newb. 2 deaths on Enigma who is apparently playing terrible. Just look at dotabuff, we weren't great but how do you talk shit as Zeus there... Oh another fun part is he was crying about drow so we focused on ganking her instead of helping him bot. Shut her down big time. He then flames us for not helping him whenever he dies (pick one - we babysit you or shut down the drow you're terrified of...). Pretty sure few of his kills were ks too, anyway: http://dotabuff.com/matches/109351514 just realized, two player stack died 8 times, 3 of us died 3 times total among all players. We stomped and still get to listen to idiots flaming;o edit - also, on a related note, does quelling blade work on naga illusions? I know it doesn't on PL anymore, figured same with naga but they told me otherwise
On February 10 2013 05:07 Asvhald wrote: This game's balance is fucking appalling. Nyxes, Lifestealers, Drows, PLs, QoPs (aka Queen O.P.) every flaming where, giving their players undeserved wins with their ability to cause havoc with minimal farm and/or brains required.
Quoting Idra, people need more self respect.
try playing smarter
Well thank you Einstein. I'm actually not complaining about being unable to win against these heroes (or should I say sorry excuses for heroes), but why should I have to play smarter when all they have to do is roll their ugly dorito-munching faces against the motherfucking keyboard?
if your quoting idra with regards to balance you might have problems/misplaced superiority complex. Look for excuses less, adopt a healthier mentality and you will enjoy the game more and get better faster. My qq is on a related note, im a little tired when ppl pick drow or some of the above mentioned heroes and get bitched for it right away or, worse, when my own team starts the game with gg they have drow we lost. What if the guy just feels like playing drow/pl/QoP not for supposed "opness" but for his own fun? I havent played nyx in a while and he's a lot of fun, doesn't mean I'm a skilless dorito-munching newb if I finally pick him. QoP is also pretty fun cause she can be so active around the map. Same goes for tryhard comboes. Ye they can be annoying to play vs, but opponents aren't supposed to prioritize your fun when picking
I'm quoting Idra not regarding balance (of which I have made my opinion crystal clear) but regarding OP hero pickers aka abusers, which is a breed of gamer that personally disgusts me, even if I am completely able to understand them. I haven't judged you regarding the reasons why you might pick one of these heroes, nor do I question your right to do so, but I find that in basically every game there is someone who does, and boy does it get annoying. It's like playing texas hold'em against people who always start with a pair in their hands. I want more fairness.
I can't wait for the separation of queues into ranked and unranked. Right now, tryhards suck most of the fun out of the game for me. I don't wanna play tournaments, scrims, or whatever. I just want to enjoy some good old fashioned dota pub fun, which seems missing in action lately, as, in addition to picks, I constantly see shit like minute-8-onwards-5-man-dota, 0 cs double roam supports from minute 1, tournament worthy lineups, etc... all in all, a seriousness about the game that I'd rather not see. I don't want to be forced to pick and play like they do just to have a flaming chance at not having a trash stomp game. Let these people duke it out in ranked queue: I want nothing to do with it. If at any point I feel like joining in, I'll do so. I want to be able to choose.
Last of it all, yes, you may have a point regarding my mentality. But if I see an elephant, I won't call it a toad in the name of a supposed healthier attitude, regardless if I am right or wrong. Pick what you want for the reasons that you want to: I won't judge that. It's all about personal choice. I don't repick these heroes if I random them, normally. I'll play them if I want to, or swap them if I don't want to. But I won't pick them one game after another just to win (in fact I never pick them), and I'd prefer to play with a like-minded pool of players.
Beg your pardon if you felt offended by that post of mine you quoted.
You're literally mad and insulting people for playing the game well.
On February 11 2013 10:53 iokke wrote: my apologies Asvhald, your first other posts came off arrogant. It just read to me as "im so much better and deserving but cause all those skill-less baddies pick good heroes I lose". Maybe it brought back bad memories from sc2 and irked me. Esp. that idra quote to me is the epitome of bming and discrediting other players for the sake of finding an excuses for own losses. + Show Spoiler +
(ah, the memories of the lovely Idra fan Zergs that would attribute all their loses to Op-ness of mindless ez-mode Protosses but wins to own skill ofc). Besides why didn't he switch from Z when that race become arguably very strong, where is his self-respect? /end rant sorry
While I don't particularly agree with your logic, as at my level (normal) I don't find any single heroes particularly OP, to each their own. As far as QQ thread goes I can definitely see how you could get really tired of constantly facing tryhard stacks, and how people that only pick drow f.e. can be annoying. Still some of the things you describe you hate would be really fun to do with friends not for sake of winning, but to play the game properly and/or enjoy the game more (probably not so much for less organized opponents though)
Anyway hopefully your games get more enjoyable in the future
Well thank you and no harm done of course. I actually did sound like a bit of a dickhead, but hey this is a QQ thread and I use it to vent . And I believe IdrA, despite being super bad mannered about it and not having the right mental attitude for a competitive/professional player, was essentially right at the moment he said that (not because of that specific game which I don't even remember, but because of the state SC2 was in).
I play at the fringe between High/Very High (some games in one some in the other. More in High though), but I am actually quite mediocre at the game. But holy shit, a good number of people there must believe they are Dendi's unrecognized bastard child or something, judging by the way they try. After a while, it just gets real old real quick. And the whole purpose of my initial rant was to vent my frustration at a losing streak which included instances of every one of these heroes and play examples. Granted, bunch of those games we played like noobs, but there were some that I feel we deserved to win.
@Kupon3ss: I get what you say, and thanks for your input. I agree with what you say about attitude, and yes, if mine was different, I wouldn't be pissed about this whole issue. Thing is, regardless of if my attitude is good or bad, I believe there are serious issues with the game (hero balance) and the community (inexistence of separated ranked (visibly-ranked) and unranked (hidden ranking) queues) that should be addressed. If/when that happens, I'll be a much happier panda than I am now.
So maybe slightly related. I'm actually really annoyed that they got rid of "how you play a hero relative to other people at your level" and replaced it with "how you play a hero relative to your best hero". Anyone can go 18-2 (W-L) with Nyx Assassin, not everyone can go 15-5 (W-L) with zeus. So I don't want to see "hey, you don't play zeus very well, look at how awesome you are with NA". I loved when I saw "holy #@!$, you are a master with zeus compared to other people at your level". I loved when I play hard heroes and I could see that I'm way better at them than anyone else at my rating, now everything is compared to the stupidly pub-OP heroes that anyone can win with.
Never realized they did that, this really sucks. Yes work is boring so I am posting a lot, but if i were to save 1 post this would be it. Basically they took away last sort of any kind of performance comparison we had against other players and made the hero performance compare to our own? Q to the mf Q. This sucks
On February 09 2013 06:39 nonsequitur wrote: Dota 2 is in serious need of a concede function.
Nononononononononono
There has been games where I won them despite that I questioned it during the course of the game. For example, despite that one of my teammates DQd and didn't rejoin and no one controlled that character, we were still able take home a 50-16 kill victory(or something like that)
Even today when I played a game that was a 4v5 and lost, there were still late-game moments where I felt like we could at least turn this to a close finish.
So no matter what Valve implements, I will play with the mentality "It ain't over until the ancient falls"
Good man. So glad even newcomer can realize a concede button is bad. Dota is defo the game for you^^
After seeing this CS:GO round, I know that giving up before it's over is a really bad idea
my last 10ish games i've been paired with absolute idiots. last game i had a chen who was laning with me (LOL) and converting enemy lane creeps (LOL). worst part? it was all random so i was carry slardar and only had 1 assist that whole game because ogre magi and kotl owned bottom like 15-0 before the enemy void dced so i looked like a noob.
in another game a guy on the other team was jungling naix. in our jungle........ he went 0-10
On February 09 2013 06:39 nonsequitur wrote: Dota 2 is in serious need of a concede function.
Nononononononononono
There has been games where I won them despite that I questioned it during the course of the game. For example, despite that one of my teammates DQd and didn't rejoin and no one controlled that character, we were still able take home a 50-16 kill victory(or something like that)
Even today when I played a game that was a 4v5 and lost, there were still late-game moments where I felt like we could at least turn this to a close finish.
So no matter what Valve implements, I will play with the mentality "It ain't over until the ancient falls"
Good man. So glad even newcomer can realize a concede button is bad. Dota is defo the game for you^^
After seeing this CS:GO round, I know that giving up before it's over is a really bad idea
Sometimes I really hate this game--Was playing -AR and early on it became apparent that the player using Wisp was not very good. Pretty bad player and all. So, the game progresses and we are not doing so well. Mind you, I am CM and I ended up buying the courier, upgrading it, and wards without the Wisp ever buying a single support item.
So, player starts complaining, looks really bad but there is still a chance of winning since we got the FV. Well, the kid rages, starts saying how its been over long ago, apparently needs to save his gold for bootsfor the entire match so never got support items, and ends up being annoying. Well, things get worse when he starts to tether and tp me into the other teams fountain. He does this more than once, and gets reported and all that fun stuff. Well, that6 I expect from kids, but what really annoyed me is that when match ended, the kid gets the Tiny Ice Skin...
First game I get an AM who builds 3 sets of boots and a blink dagger after going mid, second game I go mid and our only support, VS, goes carry mode and I get constantly ganked by Bane and Nyx, and later Drow when she gets her shadowblade. Dota is a hard game.
EPT
. Esp. that idra quote to me is the epitome of bming and discrediting other players for the sake of finding an excuses for own losses. 
