EPTDota 2 QQ thread - Page 312
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On January 22 2013 00:32 Vaelone wrote: Earthshakers that fight for farm with the carry, bonus points for having Quelling Blade and last hitting/pushing lane from minute 1 with fissure. Carry ES is best ES. Unless shadowblade doesn't stack with your enchant totem anymore... More seriously, my current complaint lies with (surprise surprise) matchmaking  Every game I'm vs some ridiculously tryhard stack (instapick Kotl+PL, wards + sentries @minute 0, blah blah blah) and my teammates are either randoms, or awful stacks (my first no-courier game in like... a month). It feels like I'm at an MMR tier where everybody knows how to win but if I don't force my allies to win, they will refuse any chance of victory (AKA the mandatory "Nobody supports if I don't, QQQQQQQ" complaint). And traditionally I defend Valve's MM system. Actually I still do, but I get to complain about the bad games in this thread if nothing else. Variance... | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
I know the situation is bad, but with luna I cant always make something happen with a good fight, I had been stacking the ancient 3 times already and proceed to stack them a 4rth time before farming it. Except that this 0-5 DK decided that he will not only prevent me from stacking, but proceeds to take it for himself while i'm farming it >_<. And guess what? THE WHOLE FUCKING TEAM COMES TO TAKE MY LAST HITS >_<. When I tell them to let me farm it, only response that I get (and it's the only non russian thing that I will hear of the game) is: "lol" ... What can you do >_<. https://dotabuff.com/matches/104746867 | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On January 22 2013 00:29 Lightspeaker wrote: Perhaps a little hyperbolic yes, but she IS absurdly strong. I put a story up a week ago of a game I played as Drow. Mid vs batrider. I got shut down all early game through constant ganks on my lane with no help. We lost all the outer towers and I think one or two rax. Something like 30 minutes in I had Amulet, not even Lothars, and was about 0-9. Then I got my Shadow Blade...and I farmed a little more...and I got my manta. 45 mins in I'm hitting for 300+ damage per hit at almost two attacks per second. Blasted the whole enemy team down, smashed down towers, backdooring some of them, took their rax, nailed the final towers and killed the fountain. Thing is with Drow it doesn't matter how far you are behind you've always got the potential to catch up with just a couple of items because Marksmanship ultimate plus Precision Aura really are that good. You have to literally suppress her all game. Oh and you can't run. Slowing arrow attacks plus AoE silence. Whilst I'd agree the hysteria is probably a little overboard I can't disagree on the sentiment that she is ridiculously hard to deal with. I bolded the important parts. If the enemy team really did take out every outer tower as well as two lanes of rax, there is no fucking way you should be able to machine-gun them down at 45 minutes with only Shadowblade and Manta Style. Obviously they were focusing everyone on your team but you and let you pew pew away. Do you realize how quickly you would have gone down if they had just focused you like competent players? I could see Drow actually being overpowered as part of some really well-executed 4 protect 1 strategy where she is essentially immune to ganks and gets great farm. But the chance of this happening in a pub AP game is slim to none, and Ice Frog still has her banned in Captain's Mode for a reason. So in the meantime, just go fucking kill her before she gets Shadowblade, get dust and go fucking kill her after she gets Shadowblade, and fucking kill her first in teamfights. The hero needs some tweaking, otherwise she'd be in CM already, but to act like she breaks the game wide open is just silly. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:51 ZasZ. wrote: I bolded the important parts. If the enemy team really did take out every outer tower as well as two lanes of rax, there is no fucking way you should be able to machine-gun them down at 45 minutes with only Shadowblade and Manta Style. Obviously they were focusing everyone on your team but you and let you pew pew away. Do you realize how quickly you would have gone down if they had just focused you like competent players? I could see Drow actually being overpowered as part of some really well-executed 4 protect 1 strategy where she is essentially immune to ganks and gets great farm. But the chance of this happening in a pub AP game is slim to none, and Ice Frog still has her banned in Captain's Mode for a reason. So in the meantime, just go fucking kill her before she gets Shadowblade, get dust and go fucking kill her after she gets Shadowblade, and fucking kill her first in teamfights. The hero needs some tweaking, otherwise she'd be in CM already, but to act like she breaks the game wide open is just silly. In my opinion, if drow is going to get pucked, I think it will be off of 5man push strategies hitting some key timing from her (not sure when) with a pretty much all-ranged team and some other auras (SF and VS come to mind). Tough to say, it would have to be perfected, in my opinion. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 22 2013 02:51 ZasZ. wrote: I bolded the important parts. If the enemy team really did take out every outer tower as well as two lanes of rax, there is no fucking way you should be able to machine-gun them down at 45 minutes with only Shadowblade and Manta Style. Obviously they were focusing everyone on your team but you and let you pew pew away. Do you realize how quickly you would have gone down if they had just focused you like competent players? I could see Drow actually being overpowered as part of some really well-executed 4 protect 1 strategy where she is essentially immune to ganks and gets great farm. But the chance of this happening in a pub AP game is slim to none, and Ice Frog still has her banned in Captain's Mode for a reason. So in the meantime, just go fucking kill her before she gets Shadowblade, get dust and go fucking kill her after she gets Shadowblade, and fucking kill her first in teamfights. The hero needs some tweaking, otherwise she'd be in CM already, but to act like she breaks the game wide open is just silly. Was originally going to give you a reasonable response with a proper replay overview now that I'm home and have access to it. Had it all written out in fact. But on second thoughts since you're being such a dick about it I'm not going to bother because it'd be a huge waste of my time. Your mind is set. Think whatever the hell you want to. General sentiment is she is hard to deal with because she snowballs insanely. And I never acted like "she breaks the game wide open" thanks, so stop being an arse to me. Back on topic: swear to god...Lich and Venge in my team. Venge comes with me, Lich goes with Timber. Neither buy support items. Lich repeatedly insists "we got this, guys" and tries to build as a carry. Venge is loving laning with me because I'm constantly being attacked by the enemy Warlock so he can happily take all of the creeps whilst I can't even get near them as Riki. Opposing team Meepo and Drow just crush face, three of them queued together. Give me strength... -_- | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On January 22 2013 06:25 Lightspeaker wrote: Was originally going to give you a reasonable response with a proper replay overview now that I'm home and have access to it. Had it all written out in fact. But on second thoughts since you're being such a dick about it I'm not going to bother because it'd be a huge waste of my time. Your mind is set. Think whatever the hell you want to. General sentiment is she is hard to deal with because she snowballs insanely. And I never acted like "she breaks the game wide open" thanks, so stop being an arse to me. Back on topic: swear to god...Lich and Venge in my team. Venge comes with me, Lich goes with Timber. Neither buy support items. Lich repeatedly insists "we got this, guys" and tries to build as a carry. Venge is loving laning with me because I'm constantly being attacked by the enemy Warlock so he can happily take all of the creeps whilst I can't even get near them as Riki. Opposing team Meepo and Drow just crush face, three of them queued together. Give me strength... -_- Erm, what gave you the idea I'm trying to be a dick to you? Is it the swearing? Because that was essentially one long reference to Day[9]'s "go fucking kill him." The point of my post was to emphasize what you said about the other team shutting you down, then letting you farm a couple items, then for some reason not focusing down the super squishy, underfarmed carry in a teamfight. Obviously the replay and/or your analysis of it, if you had posted any of it, could have answered some or all of my questions, but this sounds like bad execution by the opposing team, not any inherent balance issue with Drow. The "break the game wide open" comment was directed at your last line. If you didn't notice, I was agreeing with you and talking about the rest of the QQ posts in this thread that act like the game is unplayable with Drow in her current state. She's a strong hero, no doubt, but all it takes is a little coordination to shut her down and she suffers like any other right-click carry. And that's even before she gets tuned, which will inevitably happen in order to get her into CM. Anyway, sorry for getting off-topic, as people do come here to vent their frustrations. Perhaps this is a better discussion for the general thread or the strategy section. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
2 games in a row with my teams Dusa afk farming for 30 mins straight, coming out with a linkens + boots, and doing absolutely shit all. Just an annoyingly passive hero.. Like she's literally useless until she can get up linkens + manta. Far worse than spectre in my opinion. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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llIH
Norway2147 Posts
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On January 21 2013 19:30 Velr wrote: I don't see the correlation between picking Drow and Backdooring (why not just go Clinkz?) and where exactly your problem with that was in general (aside from picking Drow :p)... People who pick Drow are generally quite fond of the back door  . | ||
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
On January 22 2013 10:02 Dexington wrote: Just played a game where our Drow mid dies in the first 2 minutes then leaves. 5 minutes later an abandon, so I leave, not wanting to waste my time. Why do games like this count as a loss? If someone leaves and fucks you over in the first few minutes, it really shouldn't. I highlighted the reason why stats are recorded. Otherwise people would take turn abandoning as a stack and near 100% win rate (less abandons). | ||
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
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Erethorma
United States12 Posts
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Thienan567
United States670 Posts
One game I go mid as clockwerk vs her and I win my lane. I'm 3-0-4 and she's like 1-5 or something, I'm a little farther in farm. Fortunately my team has a gank lineup with 2 carries thrown in and we all know what we're supposed to be doing, so we continually gank across the map. Despite this Drow manages to go positive and bring down two towers. Getting caught by drow in that game alone usually meant death, even when all she had was shadow blade. Near the end of the game I was dying more than killing, but fortunately our carries had enough farm and kills to stomp the enemy team in fights and we won. Drow isn't overpowered, it's just that 99% of pubs are too unorganized to figure out that they have to continually gank her. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
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lethal111
Canada460 Posts
u fucking cant play KotL and ur worthless http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997643574/ u fail to play the easiest right click hero. Both u and KotL lost a 2v1 lane to huskar... | ||
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
Hurr durr... huskar no skill.. "If only my ping lower than 200" Razor... I think must be cos huskar is imba and top pick in competitive gaming.. So fun owning them and getting 17 kills and raxing in 30 mins... Lol.. u have less farm than KoTl.. u so mad... Funny enough the game I played is similar to urs (17 kills 30 mins rax.. LOL) | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On January 22 2013 12:22 Thienan567 wrote: Drow does pack a huge punch even if you shut her down all game and eventually win. One game I go mid as clockwerk vs her and I win my lane. I'm 3-0-4 and she's like 1-5 or something, I'm a little farther in farm. Fortunately my team has a gank lineup with 2 carries thrown in and we all know what we're supposed to be doing, so we continually gank across the map. Despite this Drow manages to go positive and bring down two towers. Getting caught by drow in that game alone usually meant death, even when all she had was shadow blade. Near the end of the game I was dying more than killing, but fortunately our carries had enough farm and kills to stomp the enemy team in fights and we won. Drow isn't overpowered, it's just that 99% of pubs are too unorganized to figure out that they have to continually gank her. That's the clock "reverse drow" design. No matter how good you rape mid game, once come the late game you're not really that tanky. To be honest it's more that as clock I spend more time roaming than anything. & it does not bring as much gold as anything else & that agha does not make you particularly tanky. Besides clock is a mid game power house even after a fail lane play. | ||
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