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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 28 2012 11:22 GMT
#5441
My favorite are snipers...
boots first
only autoatack on lane, pray for lucky last hits
finish a 35 minute game with treads and blade of alacrity
blame no wards, stupid supports

low priority, not even once.
super gg
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
December 28 2012 11:23 GMT
#5442
DS goes jungle, ok. Does single pulls. Uh. Thinks he's a carry too, fuck Spectre and PL. Radiance first. We won that game. o_O
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10884 Posts
December 28 2012 11:57 GMT
#5443
Darkseer is propably the most "unnoticeable" Pubstomper there is.
You won't get many kills yourself, but you save the asses of your mates with surge or make kills possible that else ran off and in general do tons of damage with your shell... Let alone turning a game around due to one nice Vac/Wall combo. It's not that you crush pubs with him, but your team can do more mistakes because surge and vac can save their asses.

+You can lane him basically everywhere... Jungle, Offlane, Mid (DS vs TA is so fun). Most hilarious thing is when you "random" him.. Soulring to start off (or stout + nearly soulring)? Have fun laning against that one ^^.
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
December 28 2012 12:15 GMT
#5444
On December 28 2012 14:46 Rad wrote:
I've finally really started to like this game. A lot. Like I've played a ton the past couple weeks. I practice my ass off vs bots when I want to try a new hero before I ever go into a game with real people. I read the guides on dotafire and try to understand what my role is and what items I need to get.

When I finally get in a game and I happen to not do amazing, and some fucker(s) on my team starts bitching and talking shit...

Well, if you're one of those people, I wish you'd just go fuck yourself and not play this game. Cause the game is awesome, but some of the people can really ruin it all. Not by being bad - people have different skill levels, and in a pub, some are obviously going to be better than others - but by being a fucking asshole.

I've seen a few posts in this thread that remind me of the people I consider fucking assholes and wish they'd go fuck off. I only read the thread for about a minute and saw a few posts like that. Fuck you.

I admit, I used to be a fucker, then somewhere around a decade ago I started to grow up. So, I don't necessarily blame you for being a jackass, but I wish I didn't have to play games with you.

I also admit that most of my games are fucker-free, and I'm happily surprised that this is the case. I remember this not being the case when I tried LoL. Still though, sometimes I find it easier to just 1v1 in some sc2 than deal with some asshole "teammate" in dota 2.

If you see someone doing something wrong, grow the fuck up and help them out, rather than berate them and rage.


I don't really agree. I usually let it slip if someone does something stupid once or twice (might give them a friendly advice). But if someone keeps doing the same thing over and over after i told them it's dumb, I will let them hear it since being nice obviously doesn't help. Some people just don't seem to understand unless you rage at them (unfortunatly sometimes they still don't get it).

On the other hand, I will be the first to tell them if they do something good. People just get what they deserve
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
December 28 2012 12:18 GMT
#5445
On December 28 2012 20:57 Velr wrote:
Darkseer is propably the most "unnoticeable" Pubstomper there is.
You won't get many kills yourself, but you save the asses of your mates with surge or make kills possible that else ran off and in general do tons of damage with your shell... Let alone turning a game around due to one nice Vac/Wall combo. It's not that you crush pubs with him, but your team can do more mistakes because surge and vac can save their asses.

+You can lane him basically everywhere... Jungle, Offlane, Mid (DS vs TA is so fun). Most hilarious thing is when you "random" him.. Soulring to start off (or stout + nearly soulring)? Have fun laning against that one ^^.

That may be, but we won the game because PL and me, the Spectre, got farmed as fuck, not because that DS went Radiance-->Heart...
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
December 28 2012 13:18 GMT
#5446
I dont see whats your problem with radiance on Seer, iirc it stacks with ion shell for something like 150 DPS

And I do agree that a lot of people underestimate him and have no idea what to expect of him throughout the game
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 28 2012 13:20 GMT
#5447
On December 28 2012 22:18 SKYFISH_ wrote:
I dont see whats your problem with radiance on Seer, iirc it stacks with ion shell for something like 150 DPS


That doesn't make it good. o_o It's too much gold when there are items that are much better for him and the role he fills as a hero.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
December 28 2012 13:31 GMT
#5448
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.

In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
December 28 2012 13:34 GMT
#5449
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


I already told you why it's not good.
It's too much gold that doesn't help him fulfill the roles a dark seer should be filling.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 28 2012 13:38 GMT
#5450
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


Radiance is a terrible item on Dark seer. Radiance is primarily and foremost used as a farming item, something Dark seer doesn't need since he already has ion shell. That gold could've been a lot more useful and efficient being used for a pipe/shivas/refresher/aghanims/sheepstick/etc.

You could say 'it doesn't matter I got that item anyway since the game was long enough', but you could also say 'instead of spending that gold on radiance, I could've got a pipe and used that to win the midgame teamfights to be much stronger'.
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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 13:56:17
December 28 2012 13:43 GMT
#5451
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


Me getting farmed that game was with no help from DS. He even Ion Shelled me to get more of my farm, said that I shouldn't jungle, but rather stay in the solo lane, that he fucked up with his single pulls, where a Drow-aura-enhanced-Mirana was waiting for me. I had 30 cs at 10 minutes thanks to that asshole.

Match if anyone is curious. I couldn't farm until ~20 minutes in. https://dotabuff.com/matches/87729475
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
December 28 2012 15:33 GMT
#5452
Just got a teammate who was chinese (the Asian version of Russains and Brazillians) and played necro. Uses reaper's scythe as an initiation skill through the whole game when we have puck, vs and Dk. Feeds through the early game, to a drow. Of all heroes.
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 16:20:35
December 28 2012 16:16 GMT
#5453
On December 28 2012 22:43 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


Me getting farmed that game was with no help from DS. He even Ion Shelled me to get more of my farm, said that I shouldn't jungle, but rather stay in the solo lane, that he fucked up with his single pulls, where a Drow-aura-enhanced-Mirana was waiting for me. I had 30 cs at 10 minutes thanks to that asshole.

Match if anyone is curious. I couldn't farm until ~20 minutes in. https://dotabuff.com/matches/87729475



Seems like u just lost lane cos mirana is better.
Dat FB ks and tp into arrow.. lol


U SO MAD.. HE STOLE UR NC!
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
December 28 2012 16:28 GMT
#5454
On December 29 2012 01:16 lazyitachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 22:43 ChrisXIV wrote:
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


Me getting farmed that game was with no help from DS. He even Ion Shelled me to get more of my farm, said that I shouldn't jungle, but rather stay in the solo lane, that he fucked up with his single pulls, where a Drow-aura-enhanced-Mirana was waiting for me. I had 30 cs at 10 minutes thanks to that asshole.

Match if anyone is curious. I couldn't farm until ~20 minutes in. https://dotabuff.com/matches/87729475



Seems like u just lost lane cos mirana is better.
Dat FB ks and tp into arrow.. lol


U SO MAD.. HE STOLE UR NC!

Yeah, sure. Because Spectre vs Mirana is a matchup Spectre is supposed to win. With 2/3 of the damage. Sure sure.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my job to get kills. Isn't that one of the golden rules of carrying? Never miss an opportunity to get a kill. And the arrow...lol. Better take that little bit of damage than lose 135 gold. I know you're not going to believe it, because you're...how to put it nicely...dumb, but that was a conscious decision I made.

Oh, wait, you're a troll.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 28 2012 16:29 GMT
#5455
don't be dumb lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
December 28 2012 17:10 GMT
#5456
On December 29 2012 01:28 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2012 01:16 lazyitachi wrote:
On December 28 2012 22:43 ChrisXIV wrote:
On December 28 2012 22:31 SKYFISH_ wrote:
How is it not good?
You're dealing more damage than a poison nova this way?

Seer needs soul ring, mana boots and some sort of mana regen, everything else is luxury and situational.
Considering in this game a freaking Spectre managed to get farmed I'd say Radi is not that bad of an option.


Me getting farmed that game was with no help from DS. He even Ion Shelled me to get more of my farm, said that I shouldn't jungle, but rather stay in the solo lane, that he fucked up with his single pulls, where a Drow-aura-enhanced-Mirana was waiting for me. I had 30 cs at 10 minutes thanks to that asshole.

Match if anyone is curious. I couldn't farm until ~20 minutes in. https://dotabuff.com/matches/87729475



Seems like u just lost lane cos mirana is better.
Dat FB ks and tp into arrow.. lol


U SO MAD.. HE STOLE UR NC!

Yeah, sure. Because Spectre vs Mirana is a matchup Spectre is supposed to win. With 2/3 of the damage. Sure sure.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my job to get kills. Isn't that one of the golden rules of carrying? Never miss an opportunity to get a kill. And the arrow...lol. Better take that little bit of damage than lose 135 gold. I know you're not going to believe it, because you're...how to put it nicely...dumb, but that was a conscious decision I made.

Oh, wait, you're a troll.


Dont be mad.. its just a game.. its ok that ds carried you and you have 0 presence in game. It will get better for you.


User was warned for this post
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
December 28 2012 17:10 GMT
#5457
On December 28 2012 21:15 BigO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 14:46 Rad wrote:
I've finally really started to like this game. A lot. Like I've played a ton the past couple weeks. I practice my ass off vs bots when I want to try a new hero before I ever go into a game with real people. I read the guides on dotafire and try to understand what my role is and what items I need to get.

When I finally get in a game and I happen to not do amazing, and some fucker(s) on my team starts bitching and talking shit...

Well, if you're one of those people, I wish you'd just go fuck yourself and not play this game. Cause the game is awesome, but some of the people can really ruin it all. Not by being bad - people have different skill levels, and in a pub, some are obviously going to be better than others - but by being a fucking asshole.

I've seen a few posts in this thread that remind me of the people I consider fucking assholes and wish they'd go fuck off. I only read the thread for about a minute and saw a few posts like that. Fuck you.

I admit, I used to be a fucker, then somewhere around a decade ago I started to grow up. So, I don't necessarily blame you for being a jackass, but I wish I didn't have to play games with you.

I also admit that most of my games are fucker-free, and I'm happily surprised that this is the case. I remember this not being the case when I tried LoL. Still though, sometimes I find it easier to just 1v1 in some sc2 than deal with some asshole "teammate" in dota 2.

If you see someone doing something wrong, grow the fuck up and help them out, rather than berate them and rage.


I don't really agree. I usually let it slip if someone does something stupid once or twice (might give them a friendly advice). But if someone keeps doing the same thing over and over after i told them it's dumb, I will let them hear it since being nice obviously doesn't help. Some people just don't seem to understand unless you rage at them (unfortunatly sometimes they still don't get it).

On the other hand, I will be the first to tell them if they do something good. People just get what they deserve


What don't you agree with? If you try to help someone with some "friendly advice" and they refuse the help, then go for it, be a dick all you want if it helps them learn. Most people start with being a dick up front, with no intent of helping someone, and those people can go fuck themselves.

Also reading some other posts, it looks like the matchmaking is garbage in this game? As a new player, I expect to play against other new players. Is that not what's happening? Every now and then you get someone who acts like they're the fucking best player out there and tends to fit the persona that I ranted about before. Why aren't they playing with other amazing players if they're soooo amazing? Why are they playing with me, the newbie?
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 28 2012 17:31 GMT
#5458
On December 28 2012 20:22 cecek wrote:
My favorite are snipers...
boots first
only autoatack on lane, pray for lucky last hits
finish a 35 minute game with treads and blade of alacrity
blame no wards, stupid supports

low priority, not even once.

I play Sniper boot first, maxing headshot and takeaim no sharpnel, getting phraseboot, MoM, Lothar.
Seems to work fine.
Boot first on sniper is legit!
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-28 18:22:04
December 28 2012 18:09 GMT
#5459
Just finished a game where I randomed TA, I was vs QoP mid and I completly dominated the map for the first 30 minutes, all their tier 3 towers were down and their mid set of rax was also destroyed. The retarded centaur on our team decides that it's time to afk farm and completly avoid fights letting the enemy carry farm items. The enemy carry 70 minutes in had bflly, rapier and some other shit. We couldnt kill him and lost.

Fucking retards, I hope they will all get banned, they wasted 1 our of my fucking time.

edit: Seriously Valve, is it really that hard to implement a competitive mode where stunt like that shit shouldn't happen without consequences ( because, let's be honest, nothing will happen to him ). LoL is 1000000 miles ahead with their competitive mode.
fleeze
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany895 Posts
December 28 2012 18:23 GMT
#5460
On December 29 2012 02:31 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 20:22 cecek wrote:
My favorite are snipers...
boots first
only autoatack on lane, pray for lucky last hits
finish a 35 minute game with treads and blade of alacrity
blame no wards, stupid supports

low priority, not even once.

I play Sniper boot first, maxing headshot and takeaim no sharpnel, getting phraseboot, MoM, Lothar.
Seems to work fine.
Boot first on sniper is legit!

Sniper damage on lvl 1: 36-42
and you go boots first. looks totally legit.
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