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TheEmulator
28090 Posts
On December 24 2012 17:49 EtherealDeath wrote: Had a high (or was it very high) mmr game where a russian on my team didn't bother getting boots at all. All game. He never had boots. TT  Yeah, I have had the opposite as well. One guy had every pair of boots this one time. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 24 2012 17:51 TheEmulator wrote: TT Yeah, I have had the opposite as well. One guy had every pair of boots this one time. Haha what the fuck. Although, I remember back in dota 1, first thing I would cannabalize off a leaver would be treads, if I happened to have an empty slot. Rawr dps ~ | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On December 24 2012 17:49 EtherealDeath wrote: Had a high (or was it very high) mmr game where a russian on my team didn't bother getting boots at all. All game. He never had boots. was it a dark seer? ^^ | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
I was playing Tiny, havgin some serious fps-after pause issues, which restarting wouldn't solve. We were doing fairly well, despite playing 4v5, because our dear russian Clinkz refused to play, because our DS took his easy camp once. Note: Clinkz was around dire creepspot, while DS was already taking it down. Flame began from that point onward from Clinkz. Despite all that, we were sitll ahead, and even get 2 sets of barracks. As we can't get to the throne, we decide to go for megacreeps. The 4 of us whipe against their 5 carry lineup. Well we're still 2 rax ahead you think? WRONG! Our Clinkz in the meantime purchased a DR, ran into the enemy team, while not even trying to backdoor rax, NO he wanted to kill their Luna, who had BKB, Manta, Satanic & Bfly with his stupid Orchid. He proceeds to die and the enemies get the DR and proceed to rush throne and win. I am so sad right now. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 24 2012 18:53 Talron wrote: Okay I think it's my time to flame on russians for the first time. I think I have played with the biggest cliché DotA-russian in history. Short story of this: I was playing Tiny, havgin some serious fps-after pause issues, which restarting wouldn't solve. We were doing fairly well, despite playing 4v5, because our dear russian Clinkz refused to play, because our DS took his easy camp once. Note: Clinkz was around dire creepspot, while DS was already taking it down. Flame began from that point onward from Clinkz. Despite all that, we were sitll ahead, and even get 2 sets of barracks. As we can't get to the throne, we decide to go for megacreeps. The 4 of us whipe against their 5 carry lineup. Well we're still 2 rax ahead you think? WRONG! Our Clinkz in the meantime purchased a DR, ran into the enemy team, while not even trying to backdoor rax, NO he wanted to kill their Luna, who had BKB, Manta, Satanic & Bfly with his stupid Orchid. He proceeds to die and the enemies get the DR and proceed to rush throne and win. I am so sad right now. Some corrections, it was just a 3 carry lineup, and I don't think Luna ever got her butterfly. I did not see us winning that game however, a memorable experience for sure. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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drowisimba
65 Posts
The other problem, for me, is that I'm almost always (80-90%) the best player in my team. Sure, dunning-kruger and all that, but I have the stats to back it up. I always outfarm our 1st and 2nd positions even though I'm really not trying. I die the least amount of times, and am the only one with a strategic grasp of the game (hey guys, maybe we shouldn't siege their base 20 minutes in, hey maybe we should buy tps and defend towers...). Why is this? Just a few days ago I met a 4-stack in very high, getting teamed up with people that have 25 games played... Shitty, shitty system. Why not put people in brackets and randomize opponents/teammates from the same bracket? If you do well, you get promoted to the next bracket. Problems solved. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
I'm done with this game for today. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Airact
Finland366 Posts
I really want to get to higher brackets so I can actually start to learn how to play the game. I don't mind playing with bad players because I don't get that mad at people when they make mistakes (big surprise, I make mistakes too) but getting away with a triple kill when 3 heroes dive for me when I play Luna or going 14-0-something on Windrunner just make me think "that's not how it's supposed to go". Also people expecting me to be in every fight when I play Anti-Mage and then not giving half a fuck about whether I'm in fights or not when I play Luna just make me wonder what they are thinking. I get more flak for being out of fights when I play almost any other carry than Luna. Shouldn't that be the other way around as Luna has a pretty decent teamfight presence even without massive items (hence the random double or triple kills I get from time to time when people dive for me)? Maybe I'm not good enough which is probably true as I can't play supports for shit (or anything really). I just feel like I'm getting a really twisted picture on how the games are supposed to go. Maybe-QQ. I might want to get completely stomped so I can actually learn how this game works. Also apparently an almost-free-farm 4 carry team, that had a pretty ridiculous advantage considering the lineups, can lose to a maybe-decently-farmed PA + a bunch of other heroes(mostly supports though) at the 50 minute mark. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On December 25 2012 02:30 aintz wrote: even the mmr system in hon is much better. 2000mmr players wont get matched with 1600 noob/smurfs in 99% of the games. seriously makes no sense from playing a first page game with pro gamers to a shit game with super scrub idiots. 2000 mmr pre ladder patch meant 30-60 minute queues 2000 mmr post ladder patch meant you were playing with 1700s | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
On December 24 2012 23:17 drowisimba wrote: Why cant they just make a good matchmaking system? The bigger, overarching problem is that no matter how good or bad you play you'll end up with a 50% winrate. How fun is that? The other problem, for me, is that I'm almost always (80-90%) the best player in my team. Sure, dunning-kruger and all that, but I have the stats to back it up. I always outfarm our 1st and 2nd positions even though I'm really not trying. I die the least amount of times, and am the only one with a strategic grasp of the game (hey guys, maybe we shouldn't siege their base 20 minutes in, hey maybe we should buy tps and defend towers...). Why is this? Just a few days ago I met a 4-stack in very high, getting teamed up with people that have 25 games played... Shitty, shitty system. Why not put people in brackets and randomize opponents/teammates from the same bracket? If you do well, you get promoted to the next bracket. Problems solved. lol 50% winrate for everyone means that mm system IS good there have been a trillion posts about this and it's always the same i guess everyone is just the best on their team and its always everyone else's fault when they lose HON's MMR system is meh, Dota's places you much more quickly. I'm in the "very high bracket" after like 5-6 games of Dota 2, the lower end obviously, but still. If you're so high ranked and you got matched with people who had 25 wins then that means they stomped all their games up to there. While there may occasionally be flukes caused by long wait times that result in mismatched pairings, most of the time if you're playing with someone then you two have similar ratings. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 25 2012 04:14 Ganfei2 wrote: lol 50% winrate for everyone means that mm system IS good there have been a trillion posts about this and it's always the same i guess everyone is just the best on their team and its always everyone else's fault when they lose HON's MMR system is meh, Dota's places you much more quickly. I'm in the "very high bracket" after like 5-6 games of Dota 2, the lower end obviously, but still. If you're so high ranked and you got matched with people who had 25 wins then that means they stomped all their games up to there. While there may occasionally be flukes caused by long wait times that result in mismatched pairings, most of the time if you're playing with someone then you two have similar ratings. Unless you play with like a 3 or 4 stack. Shit is so hit and miss with that. It's like either you get pubs who are fucking godawful compared to the players on your stack, or you get pubs who are fucking godly compared to you guys. So rare to get a more or less evenly skilled pubs on your team, at least in my experience. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 24 2012 22:55 Narw wrote: Don't think i had single good game since event/holidays began, solo queqe gives me just headaches those days. same, almost every game is full of feeders/ragers etc. I feel like the skill level of everyone in general has dropped significantly all of a sudden (probably less in the queue or something) | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On December 24 2012 20:36 Alur wrote: Some corrections, it was just a 3 carry lineup, and I don't think Luna ever got her butterfly. I did not see us winning that game however, a memorable experience for sure. We played together? I didn't even know :D Some more self QQ related to some of the above posts: I suck at DotA since the holidays began. Can't figure out why. Probably should take a break for a week or so. | ||
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Lavitage2
198 Posts
phantom lancer players who rush manta naix players who rush mjollnir dragon knight players who open something like treads drums pipe with no damage items | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On December 25 2012 19:01 Lavitage2 wrote: doom bringer players who rush radiance phantom lancer players who rush manta naix players who rush mjollnir dragon knight players who open something like treads drums pipe with no damage items Dragon knight build is much more legit tho, if there's another carry or semi carry in the team treads drums pipe can be a great idea. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 25 2012 19:01 Lavitage2 wrote: doom bringer players who rush radiance phantom lancer players who rush manta naix players who rush mjollnir dragon knight players who open something like treads drums pipe with no damage items I don't understand your complaint really, these builds are not that bad, the Doom and DK builds being quite good in certain situations. Atleast it wasnt a vlads rush pl. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On December 25 2012 19:01 Lavitage2 wrote: doom bringer players who rush radiance phantom lancer players who rush manta naix players who rush mjollnir dragon knight players who open something like treads drums pipe with no damage items at one point or another those were the go to builds for those heros and probably the only reason your're bashing them is because thats not the way they're usualy played in pro games | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On December 25 2012 19:01 Lavitage2 wrote: doom bringer players who rush radiance phantom lancer players who rush manta naix players who rush mjollnir dragon knight players who open something like treads drums pipe with no damage items All of them are legit in pub games. I am failed to see what is your point. Jungle doom, uncontested, can farm radi fast so it is ok. PL manta is okish when there is not that much gank. Naix mjollnir is pretty legit. Dk drum-treads is more than OK, pretty good actually, since DK shines after lvl16-late game. It is good to survive early game. | ||
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