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On March 24 2015 17:11 Alur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 10:15 FHDH wrote:
"My teammates are too damn heavy."
"You're not as good as you think you are, or you'd carry them consistently."
"Top players still only win like 55%, same as I do."
"Their teammates are too damn heavy." In the case of the very top players, the MMR of their teammates will often be significantly below the enemy teams MMR, so they are literally being weighed down in order for it to be a balanced match. In your games, every player is generally very close to the average MMR of the game, so the heavy players on the other team balance things out on average. Ofcourse there are games that are literally unwinnable nomatter how well you play, but in my experience that's not more than 5% of games (when I'm being honest about what I could've done). At the very top they probably have a few more of those games, because of MMR disparity shenanigans.
Well I won a game yesterday where one guy started feeding intentionally 5 minutes in and then another guy got mad and sold all his items. The guy who sold his items eventually came around and started trying after he realized he was about to get carried by me and the Slark on our team.
Games are unwinnable way less often than people realize, especially people under 5k. Even most low 5k's have terrible attitudes and think games are often lost when they are not. This is a lesson I wish every Dota player will learn someday 
TLDR: I agree lots of games are winnable!
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Just think: there was a skilled player (at least one) frustrated they couldn't pull their team across the finish line even with one feeder and another quitter. The game was winnable all right.
Regarding meta heroes: I was really enjoying maining PA until the arcana patch. Now maybe I can play her again.
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On March 25 2015 01:17 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2015 23:47 hariooo wrote:On March 24 2015 21:44 FHDH wrote:
"Pretty sure my mmr is bullshit. Climbing is very slow because of how heavy my teammates are."
"Your MMR is what you deserve. It would be higher if you deserved a higher MMR. You'd win more."
"But top players win the same amount of the time I do."
"That's because their MMR is so much higher than the people they play with."
I have over 1k solo games by the way. Would you win 55% of your games at 7k MMR...? Meanwhile if Waga had your MMR do you think he'd still only win 55% of his games...? Did I say or even imply that I was as good as Waga? This can't be that hard to follow.
Nor is it hard to follow that he would have a higher MMR than you. If you were better than your MMR would imply like if Waga played your account you would indeed climb the rankings. This isn't hard to follow unless you're delusionally convinced that the system is out to get you.
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now that i am keen on grinding some ranked games, the biggest effort in my games was my attitude.
Pubs are a bunch of kids/cry babies/pubertic cunts so just be a babysitter, pamper them babies and pet them if needed.
'yo pls dont fight we got this shit'
'just do our best and stop focusing on X (bad team mate)'
'they are bad we can win this shit'
and occasionally buy detection/ward when needed, always play carry/offlane/mid and if you must played support play someone like Tree, Sky who don't require farm/item to be functional.
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Don't go blink/eul on SF if you can't land requiem on euled targets :/
edit for above : go ES, it's really hard to snowball against ES because reactive TPs on him are fucking huge and he does not need farm to land fissure, his most important spell. Sure dagger is great but not as important as on lion for exemple.
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On March 25 2015 01:51 nojok wrote:
Don't go blink/eul on SF if you can't land requiem on euled targets :/
People can't land requiem on Euls'd targets?
It's actually one of the easiest Euls combos to hit in the game, lol.
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On March 25 2015 01:52 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 01:51 nojok wrote:
Don't go blink/eul on SF if you can't land requiem on euled targets :/ People can't land requiem on Euls'd targets? It's actually one of the easiest Euls combos to hit in the game, lol.
The time I got a bkb, I stop worried about the combo. I didn't play against a player, time the spell well before a bkb activation yet.
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On March 25 2015 01:36 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 01:17 FHDH wrote:On March 24 2015 23:47 hariooo wrote:On March 24 2015 21:44 FHDH wrote:
"Pretty sure my mmr is bullshit. Climbing is very slow because of how heavy my teammates are."
"Your MMR is what you deserve. It would be higher if you deserved a higher MMR. You'd win more."
"But top players win the same amount of the time I do."
"That's because their MMR is so much higher than the people they play with."
I have over 1k solo games by the way. Would you win 55% of your games at 7k MMR...? Meanwhile if Waga had your MMR do you think he'd still only win 55% of his games...? Did I say or even imply that I was as good as Waga? This can't be that hard to follow. Nor is it hard to follow that he would have a higher MMR than you. If you were better than your MMR would imply like if Waga played your account you would indeed climb the rankings. This isn't hard to follow unless you're delusionally convinced that the system is out to get you.
Heh, OK lemme break it down: my point is not "my win rate is similar/higher than Waga or similar players, so I am similarly skilled in absolute terms." My point is that those are guys who are rated way higher than the people they usually play with and they still only manage to win about as often as I do.
Those of us frustrated with our ladder climb, who feel quite confident we are much better than the average teammate we get, keep having this catechism repeated that if we actually were we would carry games consistently. And yet I get the same results in my bracket, where I have similar ratings to all my teammates, as Waga gets in his, where he is rated far higher.
Of course Waga would destroy my bracket. Have you seen him on his smurf? He clowns around and destroys people. How is that relevant? How much better than your teammates do you have to be to deserve to climb more than 25 points every ten games on average? 3k? 4k? At that rate it takes me 100 games to rise 250 MMR. Barely a qualitative difference in teammates; having to carry burdens every game with a similar impact on my winrate as Waga's. 400 games for 1000 MMR. And I guarantee I improve my game faster than my MMR, because for all of my bitching here I think about my performance and choices a lot more than I think about teammates I can't control.
I promise you: if I calibrated today I would place higher than my current MMR plus the same gains I would get in the number of games it would take me to raise a smurf. That's fucking flawed.
So fuck off with the catechisms from the Church of MMR. The system is far from perfect. I'm guilty of many things that prevent me from winning more and raising faster; I've posted about that more than once. If I wasn't I wouldn't get muted on a regular basis. But I sure as fuck am better than my bracket. Too bad if you don't agree, from your awesome perch of never having played in my games and only listening to me vent about them.
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u could always make a new acct and recalibrate
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tbh some games are actually just unwinnable when all you play is support
you stack jungle? check
you rotate to save mid players? check
deward/ward for safe farming? check
and your carry/mid are still 0-5 :D
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh
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On March 25 2015 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
u could always make a new acct and recalibrate
I know. The only reason I don't is not everything is transferable. I will probably do it anyway some time when I can work on it consistently for the duration of the process.
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On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh
except that this simply isn't true rofl
yes playing support can be frustrating but there's no reason not to win a lot as a support player. I hab 55% winrate with top 10 heroes all supports for example. I suck too.
On March 25 2015 03:11 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
u could always make a new acct and recalibrate I know. The only reason I don't is not everything is transferable. I will probably do it anyway some time when I can work on it consistently for the duration of the process.
do report back i think it'll be hilarious
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On March 25 2015 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh except that this simply isn't true rofl yes playing support can be frustrating but there's no reason not to win a lot as a support player. I hab 55% winrate with top 10 heroes all supports for example. I suck too. Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:11 FHDH wrote:On March 25 2015 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
u could always make a new acct and recalibrate I know. The only reason I don't is not everything is transferable. I will probably do it anyway some time when I can work on it consistently for the duration of the process. do report back i think it'll be hilarious
Yeah I do too but probably not for the same reason.
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On March 25 2015 03:16 FHDH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh except that this simply isn't true rofl yes playing support can be frustrating but there's no reason not to win a lot as a support player. I hab 55% winrate with top 10 heroes all supports for example. I suck too. On March 25 2015 03:11 FHDH wrote:On March 25 2015 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
u could always make a new acct and recalibrate I know. The only reason I don't is not everything is transferable. I will probably do it anyway some time when I can work on it consistently for the duration of the process. do report back i think it'll be hilarious Yeah I do too but probably not for the same reason.
Start it up now and make a blog series. Unless they've gotten rid of the ranked requirement (last I checked it was still a thing), you're going to have to spam a good number of games regardless.
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On March 25 2015 03:30 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:16 FHDH wrote:On March 25 2015 03:14 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh except that this simply isn't true rofl yes playing support can be frustrating but there's no reason not to win a lot as a support player. I hab 55% winrate with top 10 heroes all supports for example. I suck too. On March 25 2015 03:11 FHDH wrote:On March 25 2015 03:07 Sn0_Man wrote:
u could always make a new acct and recalibrate I know. The only reason I don't is not everything is transferable. I will probably do it anyway some time when I can work on it consistently for the duration of the process. do report back i think it'll be hilarious Yeah I do too but probably not for the same reason. Start it up now and make a blog series. Unless they've gotten rid of the ranked requirement (last I checked it was still a thing), you're going to have to spam a good number of games regardless.
I know. That's why I say it's flawed that I could raise my MMR faster through that process than by grinding out games. But it's not something I have time for now; if I do go through with it (I probably won't if my winrate gets back closer to 60) I will fully document it.
Likely my approach would be to find out the requisite number of games, play that number in full tryhard mode on main, then play them in full tryhard mode on smurf. Then compare results. But I have to have the ability to do these things with consistency, which I currently can't.
And that's the thing that some people understand about this frustration: when you have limited time to grind, every game that is ruined by some specific asshat, or a team full of people who simply make bad decisions, hurts so much more. Going back to Waga, he talks about how he doesn't get mad about losing individual games. But he plays like 100 games a week. Over nearly any given week you're likely to regress to the mean with that many iterations. Not so for most of us.
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On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
tbh some games are actually just unwinnable when all you play is support
you stack jungle? check
you rotate to save mid players? check
deward/ward for safe farming? check
and your carry/mid are still 0-5 :D
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh
You realise it's some nonsense and the fact that 2 supports team have something like 80+% winrate against teams with a solo support should in fact result in supports having a better winrate than cores around 4K MMR at least.
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Ok so I don't know how you can get above like 2k if you contest your carries farm as a support. No, "I'm taking your missed last hits" is not an excuse. The only reason I'm missing anything is because I have to fucking unnecessarily attempt to predict when you're going to try to take my last hits.
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On March 25 2015 03:53 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 03:10 Nymzee wrote:
tbh some games are actually just unwinnable when all you play is support
you stack jungle? check
you rotate to save mid players? check
deward/ward for safe farming? check
and your carry/mid are still 0-5 :D
when you play support you normally lose more than you win tbh You realise it's some nonsense and the fact that 2 supports team have something like 80+% winrate against teams with a solo support should in fact result in supports having a better winrate than cores around 4K MMR at least.
I don't know where this stat comes from but it seems believable. However, usually when I play support the other "support" - if there is one, and there usually isn't - is a guy who is pretty sure his job is done when he buys first wards and he is now free to jungle.
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My Winstreak has ended QQ. This last game proved to me that legion commander is a garbage hero and people should NEVER PICK HER. Seriously when troll and jugg are fotm you just basically feed free duel wins nad while i did pretty dam good as nyx their Dazzle won them enough teamfights to get Jugg and Troll farmed and our mediocre tiny and legion couldn't compete.
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