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I tried /r/buildapc and /r/monitors but no replies hopefully you guys can help me out a little, as I'm a total newb when it comes to monitors and I dont want to end up wasting my cash on 3.
so 6months or so ago i bought a new monitor. the LG 23EA53
http://www.lg.com/levant_en/monitors/lg-23EA53
and recently ive become really interested in getting an eyefinity setup, I'm currently running on an HIS R9 280x on an MSI g43 z87 board with an i5 4670k.
overclockers are currently having a sale on a 3x Asus monitor setup + a stand
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-009-AS&groupid=17&catid=1779
would it be wiser of me to buy 2 more LG monitors and forget the stand (this is an IPS with 13ms delay which is pretty huge) unless I need the extra space, or would these asus monitors be a big upgrade to the LG and worth the extra price,or are there good alternatives I should look at. would I also need to go Crossfire to power games like BF4/witcher 3 on full settings
Thanks!
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TBH it probably depends on if you want IPS or TN IMO; likely i would sell the LG and do something like 3x+stand deal
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as I understand IPS panels are slower but have better colours and TNs are faster 1-2ms but dont have as good colour, would that be correct.
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Well, the cheapest monitors are TN and have really bad colors, but that's not fair. Expensive professional monitors are IPS and have professional out-of-box calibration, have more expensive backlighting so as to cover a wider range of colors (outside typical consumer sRGB standard, meaning on a lot of material intended for sRGB everything would look oversaturated unless you use some sRGB mode or calibration), have all sorts of color processing features, etc. That's also not really indicative. Okay, well some ~£250 IPS monitors may have better out-of-box calibration too.
The main thing with IPS is not having the bottom and top of the screen look significantly different when looking straight at them (much less at a less direct angle, like might happen if you're using multiple). In portrait mode that would be the left and right sides, which is more obvious to see.
Quoted response times are kind of meaningless, but it is true that the TN panels switch faster and so are a little more responsive. So the IPS panels will have a bit more trailing behind moving objects, effectively. However, if you're still talking about 60 Hz monitors, no matter how fast they are, if your eyes are tracking something that is "moving" then the fact that it changes positions only 60 times a second (or worse if your graphics card can't deliver the frames) effectively makes it blurred anyway. The limiting factor perceptually is more the fact that the image is stuck in place between updates and not actually moving between the positions like your eyes are.
Also, you sure you want something as wide as 5760x1080? Some might like portrait mode Eyefinity better, which would give 3240x1920 (which is actually a little less wide than 16 : 9). It's also worth considering that thin bezels are still bezels and still in the way. If you want a more panoramic view without the really wide angle and really high pixel counts, there exist 29" 2560x1080 IPS monitors.
As for your setup, if you you triple your pixel count, your fps is going to take a huge nosedive, yes. For something like BF4, Crossfiring may not even be enough if you want to keep the settings high. In addition, AMD still hasn't released an update to stuttering issues on Crossfire Eyefinity setups, though apparently that's coming soon (though this is necessarily at the penalty of a little bit worse latency).
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All the 29 inch IPS monitors are somewhat similar because they're all using what's pretty much the same panel from LG. However, there is a lot up to the manufacturer to implement even if the panel is the same. IIRC these should all be AH-IPS like the 23EA53
I think a lot of people would rather have one of those 27 inch 2560x1440 options for those 360 extra vertical pixels, but it depends I guess.
prad.de's reviewed a whole bunch of them, including LG's own version:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2013/test-lg-29eb93-p.html
+ Show Spoiler [more links] +
Looks like LG's version has relatively good responsiveness and low latency on top of reasonable out-of-box calibration. The Asus PB298Q also has low latency and has the controllable overdrive setting (set Trace Free to 40 probably). That sample had a little worse colors than the LG out of box but has an adjustable stand and costs pretty much the same. Either should be okay. If it's the resolution and setup you want, it should be fine, though I admit I have no idea what the usual pricing is in the UK for those.
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thanks for all your help. this is going to be tough deciding what i want now.
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Hf with ~78% more pixels if you get! I think now i would reccomend if possible to see a good tn w/ 144hz/120hz lightboost hack (which i decided on over 1440p or ips) in person before spending a lot of money as you can't really describe the differences, but it's much less pronounced if you're not a fast twitch/fps gamer and TBH i've never even seen an IPS panel to know anything about colors
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ok I think now (4th? times the charm) I have decided against my original plan with your help and a friends I am going to buy this ASUS 24inch 144hz 1080p monitor, Ultimately i sit about 40cm away from my monitor 27inches is wayyy to large and i'm liking the trade off of having a much faster response time and be able to use my gpu power so i can see the difference 140 FPS makes compared to being basically capped 60.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00B19T7QC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
I looked at the BenQ equivilent and read a few reviews and decided this was the better choice I hope this is my final decision as i've been going crazy these past few days looking everywhere :D thanks for all your help.
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vg248qe has somewhat washed out colors on the low end due to weird gamma curve (which makes everything kinda visible near blacks, which is good for some games and marketed as such by etc BenQ who do the same.. but i'd imagine can be really annoying if you can't disable it) so you might want to look into that some. I think one or a few of the other 120/144hz monitors have better colors, though it's a short list because you >definitely< want one with lightboost hack support (which is easy and effective)
LightBoost HOWTO
First published January 13th, 2013
Instructions for Zero Motion Blur on LightBoost LCD
Supported Monitors: ASUS: VG248QE, ASUS VG278H, ASUS VG278HE,
BENQ XL2411T, BENQ XL2420T, BENQ XL2420TX, BENQ XL2420TE, BENQ XL2720T,
Acer HN274HBbmiiid. For Samsung 120Hz monitors, see alternate Samsung HOWTO.
Note: ASUS VG248QE is upgradeable to G-SYNC.
I found a decent test last night; i have a vg248qe myself and checked it on three other monitors
http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=toronto-map.png&pps=120&pursuit=0
^Turn speed up on the dropdown thing
I can read street names at ~1440-1920px/second on this monitor @120hz lightboost, honestly it starts to scroll too fast before motion blur is at all a problem. Couldn't make them out @960 px/sec on any other monitor and it's a blurry mess before that, a guy posted on OCN that you need lightboost hack to see them @~960
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ok after having a little browse this benq XL2420TE looks good, however i cant seem to find the E version anywhere other than overclockers which doesnt list it as an E but claims to be the 144hz panel
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-088-BQ
this seems to be a good choice as apparently the colours seem to be the best a TN panel can have, according to a guy called linus  I do accept however that colours will never be as good as my IPS panel , just want as good as I can get
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I gave it a quick look before but passed it up because of version thing, costing more and for the g-sync upgradability of the vg248qe - now that we know more about gsync upgrade kit and it involves removing a ton of options etc from the monitor, i probably won't use it and would look more into other options
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Gsynch is not something i'm perticularly interested in especially with amd's Freesynch they showed off which needs no new additional hardware. i'm just waiting for a reply from overclockers.co.uk enquiring about the monitor to make sure it is the E version and i'll get it, if it's not then i'll go with the Asus
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Freesync only works on very specific setups though without additional hardware, while Gsync will be available in q1 and widely available in q2
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Details seem scarce and it seems a long ways off from being reality and mainstream.
That said... nobody is making non-TN G-Sync monitors (yet). Bummer? Then again, it's not like all TN are the same. I don't care what the underlying technology is if the performance can be brought in line... which seems unlikely. I really don't know much about the electronics and optics behind LCD panels though.
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People were talking about VX panels (IIRC? whatever that is) for etc the 1440p 120hz gsync monitor, i'm sure there will be IPS and 4k gsync sometime soon
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maybe VA panels? theres only 1 atm above 60hz and it's quite pricey but it has better colours than TN's and is also 240hz
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It's interpolated 240hz and i'm not sure how good it is
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