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Pericles765
Profile Joined July 2014
3 Posts
May 24 2020 05:43 GMT
#14281
Hmm. I get what yous are saying. If I could stretch the budget to £700-£750 would that make it any more feasible?
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
May 24 2020 07:40 GMT
#14282
On May 24 2020 14:43 Pericles765 wrote:
Hmm. I get what yous are saying. If I could stretch the budget to £700-£750 would that make it any more feasible?


The absolute minimum for a solid upgrade is 4 components, and keeping everything else, including your existing case:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pnxKQq

You could drop the GPU down to a 5700, grab the case as well inside that budget and re-use everything else. For a full system, you'd have to invest a bit more. A piecemeal update wouldn't hurt at the moment though. Upgrade the GPU first, and then the rest of your system at a later time when your budget allows.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2006 Posts
May 24 2020 08:18 GMT
#14283
Hey guys, I figured I would add an update.

I have ended up going way over budget with my build (perhaps £700 over). A few parts I have yet to purchase due to stock reasons but I'm hopeful to have this up and running next weekend.

CPU ~ AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8GHz 12core £400

Cooler ~ Corsair H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler £100

MB ~ MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard £245

Memory ~ Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £80 (might need to add more)

Storage ~ Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive £130

Graphics card ~ Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card £495

Tower ~ Still undecided on this as the one I had down to buy is out of stock everywhere

Power ~ EVGA 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply £105

Monitor ~ Samsung C32HG70 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor £495



once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
May 24 2020 14:53 GMT
#14284
I think zen2 is a huge mistake if you're gonna spend £745 on cpu/mobo/cooler for those tasks - and that RAM is a mistake as well if you're gonna spend £825 on those four.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
June 10 2020 13:54 GMT
#14285
Hey guys, I was wondering if people could give me a ballpark of what performance increase I could expect overall and specifically, in StarCraft 2, as it's so dependent on single thread performance and RAM speed..


Currently, I'm running:

Intel i5 4670 - GTX 970 - 2x4GB DDR3 @1333mhz



I've had this setup for a number of years now and was looking at upgrading. My PC cannot run Planet Zoo above 25FPS on the lowest settings, and I'd like to be able to take full advantage of my 144hz monitor on at least medium settings in SC2, something which is currently impossible. With the new Ryzen 3's coming out, I was looking at upgrading my CPU and RAM (and of course motherboard). The parts that I'm considering right now:

Ryzen 3 3300x - 2x8GB @3200mhz RAM - whatever budget B450 motherboard I can find
Cost of these parts would be between €250-300, and I think I'd be able to un-bottleneck my computer much more this way.

Because this upgrade requires me also switching out the motherboard and RAM it's still going to be quite a change, so I'm wondering if this could be considered worth it or if I should wait and upgrade big time later on.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
June 10 2020 17:31 GMT
#14286
On June 10 2020 22:54 Thalandros wrote:
Hey guys, I was wondering if people could give me a ballpark of what performance increase I could expect overall and specifically, in StarCraft 2, as it's so dependent on single thread performance and RAM speed..


Currently, I'm running:

Intel i5 4670 - GTX 970 - 2x4GB DDR3 @1333mhz



I've had this setup for a number of years now and was looking at upgrading. My PC cannot run Planet Zoo above 25FPS on the lowest settings, and I'd like to be able to take full advantage of my 144hz monitor on at least medium settings in SC2, something which is currently impossible. With the new Ryzen 3's coming out, I was looking at upgrading my CPU and RAM (and of course motherboard). The parts that I'm considering right now:

Ryzen 3 3300x - 2x8GB @3200mhz RAM - whatever budget B450 motherboard I can find
Cost of these parts would be between €250-300, and I think I'd be able to un-bottleneck my computer much more this way.

Because this upgrade requires me also switching out the motherboard and RAM it's still going to be quite a change, so I'm wondering if this could be considered worth it or if I should wait and upgrade big time later on.


What GPU are you running?
It's definitely a significant upgrade, but it would depend on if you're CPU or GPU bottlenecked right now (Probably CPU). You'd have to almost double your budget to get incremental upgrades beyond the 3300X, so I think it's worth it.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-12 01:11:50
June 12 2020 01:02 GMT
#14287
I've talked to Thal, he's probably gonna wait a bit and get an r5 4600 and maybe bdie IIRC because it's a much bigger upgrade step. He has a gtx970. That's deffo. not ideal today but it's not even remotely a problem for sc2 and i think most newer games shouldn't die on 1080p low settings.

With a platform upgrade like that it's absolutely next on the list as a 6c12t zen3 with b-die should kick ass for a long time.

Unfortunately wouldn't be too useful to upgrade GPU instead of CPU because of being CPU limited in SC and probably some other games. A locked Haswell i5 with 1333 ddr3 is a fairly big step down from e.g. a 4670k @ OC with 2666 ddr3 and we noted that at the time so it's likely having a lot of trouble in 2020-2021.
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I ran some more memory benchmarks today
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"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
spyd3r77
Profile Joined June 2020
1 Post
Last Edited: 2020-06-16 04:09:09
June 14 2020 00:00 GMT
#14288
Hi all - I'm looking to build a rig to get back into FPSs, namely Valorant with its recent release, but CSGO as well. I was hoping to be able to consistently get about 200 fps on low settings at 1920x1080 - hopefully this isn't an arbitrary target to aim for, I'm just not familiar enough with components these days to know what combination of CPU/GPU/etc. is needed to achieve that experience in-game. Here are my responses to the questionnaire:

What is your budget? $1500
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Valorant on all low, CSGO on all low
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? General internet browsing, watching HD streaming
Do you intend to overclock? No
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No
Do you need an operating system? No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes - was thinking the BenQ ZOWIE XL Series XL2411P 24" 144Hz if folks on here think it's reputable/good value
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No requirements, was leaning towards Intel/Nvidia but would follow alternate recommendations if folks think either of those brands charge premiums that aren't worth it for my needs
What country will you be buying your parts in? US
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. I have Prime so I generally appreciate the faster shipping/easier returns, but otherwise, no.

In an effort to hopefully elicit some immediate feedback, I took a stab at choosing some components (all Newegg prices) - any and all feedback would be much appreciated with the above context.

CPU - Core i5-10400 - $209.25
Mobo - GIGABYTE Z490 UD AC LGA 1200 Intel Z490 ATX Motherboard - $169.99
GPU - EVGA GeForce RTX2060 - $319.99
RAM - G.SKILL Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 - $59.99
SSD - Kingston A400 2.5" 480GB - $55.99
PSU - RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-630SS 630W Semi Modular Power Supply - $52.99
Case - Corsair Carbide Series 100R ATX Mid - $68.99
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 10 2020 23:06 GMT
#14289
What is your budget?
1800USD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Cyberpunk 2077 and frankly I want it to look so good that I believe I live in that world and not this one

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
3D modeling, Zbrush, Maya, Substance Painter, Unreal Engine 4 (5 ONE DAY?! gasp), generally intensive game engine rendering stuff.

Do you intend to overclock?
Nope

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Nada

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No, but mouse recommendations would be nice, or a fix for my constant-auto-double-clicking DeathAdder.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Whatevers quality, preferably a micro-ATX size wise, but mid is fine too. I dont really want to go below a 2070, my 1060 is frankly a little weak for basic performance in Substance Painter's viewport. I could also stand to go up to 64GB of RAM, and the CPU has to be real potent, my i7.6700K does good work atm, something similar to that is best, high core speed, don't care too much about core number from what I understand about the CPU intense programs I use.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
US of A

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Whatever is quality, if anything known to work better with 3D stuff, great.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
July 11 2020 05:50 GMT
#14290
@Zambrah

Zbrush says it's heavily CPU reliant, multithreaded, Maya depends on whether you're designing or rendering. Quick googling points to CPU mattering more for rendering and UE4 tasks so I tossed this together with an AMD 3900X

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XMpvJb

You get 12 pretty quick cores, assuming your 6700k isn't OC'd it's pretty close in single threaded tasks.
One big SSD is what I threw in there, but a a 1TB + big HDD works too.

Alternative if you need the fastest single core perf (just replaced CPU/mobo, added cooler)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bKZmsk

You should be able to get this to 5.0ghz with under 1h of work, which would be significantly faster than your 6700k as well. Both of these are reasonable starting points for planning a build.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 11 2020 23:25 GMT
#14291
That looks sweet! Tbh given that my current CPU isn't overclocked and has given me no problems at all in Zbrush performance I don't think I have to go ultrahardcore on a CPU upgrade, the biggest holdback is really my GPU, so this build looks great imo! Thank you!
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 04 2020 09:11 GMT
#14292
Im going to start trying to piecemeal acquire Lmui's list, but I did want to ask since Im entirely familiar with cases, it seems like the biggest limiting factor would be like, GPU size, and given the GPU in Lmui's list isnt even 12 inches I can basically look at getting most any case with at least enough 11ish" of GPU clearance?

I like to look at cases, I'm one of those sad people who love to plaster all of their shitty stickers that get thrown at them from random purchases onto their computers, so I want a case conducive to uh, that.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-12 15:53:10
August 12 2020 15:50 GMT
#14293
Hi everybody, I'm looking to buy a desktop computer. I've only owned laptops so far in my life, so I have very little knowledge about everything concerning buying a desktop computer, let alone building one, but it does seem to be the best option for what I want.
So the PC is mainly meant for gaming. On one hand I'd like it to run games like EU4 and sim games really well but on the other hand I also really like playing good looking open world games with high graphical fidelity. Ofc I'll also be playing games like SC2, CSGO and LoL on it but I think those will always run well with relatively modern PCs.
I'd also like to be able to stream the games in good quality. I have good internet quality, so that won't be the bottleneck.

I really like laptop keyboards but I can't seem to find a good quality wired one for desktops, so that's a bit of a search atm.
Also, I have no experience/knowledge of overclocking/SLI/crossfire so I'm just gonna say no to that for now.

This is the build I'm currently looking at: https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/YjCDtp

The motherboard and case are the two components I have the least knowledge of, so those are kinda picked at random atm.

What is your budget?
I was expecting to spend around 2000 euro, but I don't really have that much of a set budget. If it lasts a long time I'll be happy.

What is your monitor's native resolution?
I'll be buying a monitor as well, don't have one atm.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Open world games on high settings, sim games, EU4, SC2, CSGO, LoL, Total War games.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Streaming, besides that mostly day to day stuff.

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, I need a monitor and mouse/keyboard.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Netherlands

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No
att
Profile Joined March 2020
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-13 11:59:33
August 13 2020 11:59 GMT
#14294
On May 20 2020 00:59 Cyro wrote:

Good news, so this means i can upgrade my asus B450 from 2600X to 4700 when im ready to do so? thanks.
bloooargh
Profile Joined May 2012
United States28 Posts
August 27 2020 02:05 GMT
#14295
On August 13 2020 20:59 att wrote:
Good news, so this means i can upgrade my asus B450 from 2600X to 4700 when im ready to do so? thanks.


Maybe? It's still up to the board partner to decide whether to implement this support. There might be other limitations as well... It's just to early to be certain.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
August 27 2020 19:50 GMT
#14296
Yeah, but at least some of the most popular boards will be updated quickly
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Geoube
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada67 Posts
August 29 2020 02:41 GMT
#14297
also, be aware that the only way they are able to make it work with the old bios is to completely flash the old ZEN2 stuff out of it to fit the ZEN3. So there's no going back/fall back plan if things go sideways. Will be interesting to see how well the first little while goes for people who do it.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9021 Posts
September 01 2020 17:37 GMT
#14298
NVIDIA just announced their 3000 series GPUs. These are really reasonably priced if I must say. I'll have to wait to see if AMD will drop something within the next 6 months and if 3D apps are going to start supporting AMD GPUs. If not, I may be tempted to get the 3080 and another monitor just for the lulz.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14900 Posts
September 01 2020 18:52 GMT
#14299
that 3080 is fucking juicy
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6220 Posts
September 01 2020 19:51 GMT
#14300
The 3080 appears to be better value than the 3070 which is weird.

Some performance leaks as well:


Looks like the 3080 is approximately 80% better than a 2080 in games, it's a ludicrous card by any definition.
It's a pretty gigantic performance upgrade over the current generation so I'd expect it to be well into 2021 before sufficient stock is available and you can buy them at any form of discount under msrp.
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