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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
February 28 2015 02:05 GMT
#9161
If you're just playing those games I'd trade a better CPU for a lesser GPU. H1Z1, Dota and I think Minecraft are pretty CPU-heavy games compared to GPU. I'd check out a gtx 960 and get yourself an i5 4690(k) for the money
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 09:04:00
February 28 2015 09:02 GMT
#9162
@GinyuSC i quoted you a build above to work with, but wasn't sure if you wanted monitor in that budget or not.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread?page=458#9150
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 19:24 GMT
#9163
On February 28 2015 18:02 Cyro wrote:
@GinyuSC i quoted you a build above to work with, but wasn't sure if you wanted monitor in that budget or not.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread?page=458#9150



Just saw it ! Looks good! Just wondering how it will do performance wise for Dota 2, H1Z1, Minecraft, SC2?
You're so rood.
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 19:31 GMT
#9164
Also any reason why you're using the i5-4570 instead of the i5-4590?
You're so rood.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 19:35:50
February 28 2015 19:35 GMT
#9165
^Pretty good, it's hard to say specifically. You could swap stuff out to OC CPU or get a 970/290 but probably need higher budget to do it with good quality parts

the 4570 is first gen haswell while the 4590 is haswell refresh, which needs a bios update on most of the cheaper motherboards to be supported (so if you buy the cpu+motherboard and it ships with the wrong bios, you'd have to send it back or use a first gen haswell CPU to bios update it), but isn't actually any better aside from minor clock speed boosts (4590 is probably 100mhz faster than 4570 with no other change)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 19:43 GMT
#9166
On March 01 2015 04:35 Cyro wrote:
^Pretty good, it's hard to say specifically. You could swap stuff out to OC CPU or get a 970/290 but probably need higher budget to do it with good quality parts

the 4570 is first gen haswell while the 4590 is haswell refresh, which needs a bios update on most of the cheaper motherboards to be supported (so if you buy the cpu+motherboard and it ships with the wrong bios, you'd have to send it back or use a first gen haswell CPU to bios update it), but isn't actually any better aside from minor clock speed boosts (4590 is probably 100mhz faster than 4570 with no other change)


So would you recommend sticking with the build you suggested or would a build with a 4590 be more suitable? Would increasing my budget to $700 help?
You're so rood.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
February 28 2015 19:48 GMT
#9167
4570 and 4590 are functionally practically identical but the newer one has those compatibility issues. If you want OC setup (4690k, different mobo, CPU cooler, faster RAM) then you can do that, same for faster GPU (970/290)

generally OC CPU would be like ~1.25x faster while CPU bound, but GPU would have a lot more VRAM and ~65% faster
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 19:57 GMT
#9168
On March 01 2015 04:48 Cyro wrote:
4570 and 4590 are functionally practically identical but the newer one has those compatibility issues. If you want OC setup (4690k, different mobo, CPU cooler, faster RAM) then you can do that, same for faster GPU (970/290)

generally OC CPU would be like ~1.25x faster while CPU bound, but GPU would have a lot more VRAM and ~65% faster


Gotcha gotcha, thank you! Now last question and ill leave you alone haha, would you be able to make me a build that has a budget of $650 after taxes?
You're so rood.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
February 28 2015 20:19 GMT
#9169
I don't know what "after taxes" means or what the taxes even are for you, because all taxes are in the price tag in UK/EU. It even varies by that state you're in and the website you're ordering from.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 21:51 GMT
#9170
Are they? Wasnt sure (Im from the US) and this is my first time making a build
You're so rood.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-28 21:59:48
February 28 2015 21:54 GMT
#9171
Yea it's a bit of a mess buying anything at all online in the US
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
February 28 2015 22:20 GMT
#9172
So then do the prices it shows on pcpartlist include tax? Should i stick with the build you made for me already then?
You're so rood.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 28 2015 22:21 GMT
#9173
You are only charged sales tax on your purchase if the company you are ordering from physically operates in the state you are shipping to (you should know how much this tax is unless you have never purchased anything in real life before...). eg. If you live in New York and ordering something from Amazon, you will be charged sales tax because Amazon has a headquarter in New York.

Legally, you're suppose to pay sales tax on all purchases so even if you are not charged sales tax at checkout, you are suppose to report it when you file your taxes. But no one actually does this.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-01 01:21:14
February 28 2015 22:46 GMT
#9174
I went ahead and pulled the trigger and ordered parts for a whole new system a few hours ago, only thing I still need is a case. Anyone know of a current sale/recommendation? I was looking at the Corsair 300R:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011&cm_re=corsair_300r-_-11-139-011-_-Product

which I can get at microcenter for $60 after rebate.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/379532/Carbide_Series_300R_Mid-Tower_ATX_Gaming_Computer_Case
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
March 01 2015 00:48 GMT
#9175
On March 01 2015 07:21 skyR wrote:
You are only charged sales tax on your purchase if the company you are ordering from physically operates in the state you are shipping to (you should know how much this tax is unless you have never purchased anything in real life before...). eg. If you live in New York and ordering something from Amazon, you will be charged sales tax because Amazon has a headquarter in New York.

Legally, you're suppose to pay sales tax on all purchases so even if you are not charged sales tax at checkout, you are suppose to report it when you file your taxes. But no one actually does this.


Thank you very much! I didnt know this is how things worked when calculating price for buying computer parts so this clears up a lot
You're so rood.
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
March 02 2015 03:15 GMT
#9176
On February 27 2015 14:13 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 10:20 GinyuSC wrote:
What is your budget?
$650 before taxes

What is your monitor's native resolution?
Asus vg248q

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
DotA 2, SC2, LoL, HotS, Minecraft, H1Z1

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
School

Do you intend to overclock?

Not sure how to do this/if its needed or if i should
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No idea what this means

Do you need an operating system?
Yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, monitor

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I want to be able to run DotA 2 at 45+ FPS smoothly with solid graphics, all other games i want to be able to run smoothly

What country will you be buying your parts in?
US

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

Newegg/amazon


Do you have the monitor, or need to buy it with the $650?

~~

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.29 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($204.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $682.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-27 00:23 EST-0500

r9 280 also good


Might you be able to make a similar build but subtract about $60, i wanna spend closer to $600
You're so rood.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 02 2015 04:08 GMT
#9177
Get a GTX 750 Ti instead of a GTX 760.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 04:35:24
March 02 2015 04:18 GMT
#9178
On March 02 2015 12:15 GinyuSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 14:13 Cyro wrote:
On February 25 2015 10:20 GinyuSC wrote:
What is your budget?
$650 before taxes

What is your monitor's native resolution?
Asus vg248q

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
DotA 2, SC2, LoL, HotS, Minecraft, H1Z1

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
School

Do you intend to overclock?

Not sure how to do this/if its needed or if i should
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No idea what this means

Do you need an operating system?
Yes

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Yes, monitor

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I want to be able to run DotA 2 at 45+ FPS smoothly with solid graphics, all other games i want to be able to run smoothly

What country will you be buying your parts in?
US

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.

Newegg/amazon


Do you have the monitor, or need to buy it with the $650?

~~

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.29 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($55.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($204.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $682.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-02-27 00:23 EST-0500

r9 280 also good


Might you be able to make a similar build but subtract about $60, i wanna spend closer to $600

you can probably shave 5-10 here and there by finding similar items on sale, but otherwise you're going to significantly cut into performance (or reliability)...

That said, I'd take a hit on the GPU and get something like a 750Ti or r9 270x (if you can find the right deal) - If I read the previous posts correctly you're not looking at super graphic intensive games. IMO it's also the simplest part to upgrade. Personally, I've been fine with a 650 Ti but I really haven't played anything beyond sc2, HotS, dota 2 and cs:go.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
March 02 2015 05:29 GMT
#9179
I'd switch to a dual core, as currently none of the uses mentioned are even heavily threaded. If you have no intention of playing graphically demanding games ever, you could downgrade to a 750ti too, and keep more in the pocket.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
GinyuSC
Profile Joined January 2015
United States63 Posts
March 02 2015 05:51 GMT
#9180
Dropping from a GTX 960 to a 750 ti sounds like a massive downgrade 😳
You're so rood.
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