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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 24 2013 19:32 GMT
#3281
4670 is $220 from Newegg right now, 4670k is ~$240-$250. Maybe go down to $230-$240 during Boxing Day?
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 24 2013 19:35 GMT
#3282
hm ok I may choose to just get the K version and run stock for now. I'll look arond for deals first
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 24 2013 20:22 GMT
#3283
On December 25 2013 01:15 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 01:03 McTeazy wrote:
On December 24 2013 15:25 Myrmidon wrote:
McTeazy, some higher-end card prices are inflated currently as a result of cryptocurrency mining.

Leeoku, almost all modular power supplies come with the cables. Sometimes you can purchase different-length or blinged out alternative cable sets. Or simply extra cables or different types of ones.

On a non-modular 350W+ power supply (all you need), there's unlikely to be more than one or two cable strands that you wouldn't be using. I don't really see much point in having lower-wattage modular models, especially for use in a typical roomy mid-tower case where there's lots of room to stuff cables, and there correspondingly aren't too many options. It's a different matter for high-wattage models where you're looking at cable / kraken / tentacle monsters or small form factor systems.

If you can spare the money, Rosewill Capstone 450-M or Seasonic G 450W (SSR-450RM) should be fine. There really aren't reasonably priced fully modular sets that aren't considerably lower quality.


excuse my ignorance, but what the hell does this mean? video card prices are inflated because people are buying them with bitcoin?

They are using them as computing machines for mining "litecoin" (that's not Bitcoin, something totally separate). "Mining" means, your machine is a part of the backbone of that particular cryptocurrency system. You are rewarded by getting a bunch of that currency. + Show Spoiler +
That's just how I understood what's happening. It might be somewhat wrong as I was confused reading stuff about this.


As far as I know this is it.

Since mining bitcoins or litecoins essentially can mean free money (over time), people are in a craze to buy GPUs that mine crypto currencies well. AMD GPUs do quite well, so the demand of such card has increased. This leads to the increase of their price.

So the R9 series cards are being sold at a higher price than what they would normally be at the moment.


Well shit. That's pretty nuts. Interesting stuff though i suppose
a person is smart, people are stupid
-Miszu-
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland18 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 20:56:18
December 24 2013 20:52 GMT
#3284
What is your current build?
1x AMD AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edit /3.2GHz, 125W, AM3, BOX, rev. C3
1x GoodRam GoodRam 4GB 1600MHz CL9
1x Tacens Tacens Prior Limited (92mm Fan, bez zasilacza)
1x Asus Asus GeForce GTX 560 Ti DCII 1GB DDR5 /256bit/ 2xDVI/HDMI
1x XFX XFX Core 450W 120mm 80+ SLI PSU
1x Gigabyte Gigabyte GA-870A-USB3 rev.3.1 /AMD 870, DDR3, AM3+/
1x Xigmatek Xigmatek Gaia SD1283
1x Samsung Samsung SH-S223C SATA (black)
1x Samsung Samsung 1 TB 7200rpm 32MB cache SATA-II F3
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080 at 60 Hz
Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
more fps when i'm streaming(sc2 player)
What is your budget?
131$ = 400PLN
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Poland
If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
idk
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 20:57:39
December 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#3285
^Streaming sc2?* And you can't really do much for it with that kind of budget

*aha you edited when i was posting
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
-Miszu-
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland18 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 21:11:52
December 24 2013 21:00 GMT
#3286
so what should i change ? and how much it will cost ?
or i need just buy new pc ?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 21:51:02
December 24 2013 21:47 GMT
#3287
Most stuff is good, just phenom II and anything else that you can drop into am3/am3+ cpu socket is not particularly good at playing/streaming sc2, they're outclassed by i5, especially oc'd (but i5 requires new mobo)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
-Miszu-
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland18 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 21:50:12
December 24 2013 21:49 GMT
#3288
so MSI B85M-G43 and Intel Core i5 4670k ?
then i will able to stream in 720p and medium settings ?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 21:56:42
December 24 2013 21:53 GMT
#3289
ya something like that np, ~720p60/1080p30 stream* with graphics maxed if you want (but physics and reflections off, effects medium helps fps a lot, those three cpu settings)

I'll let someone else tell you which mobo to buy if you wanna go that route, you need just i5 4670 though (k is for overclocking which you can't do without more expensive board and cooler)

*What's your upload? Stable ~4mbits is really nice to use ~3000-3500kbit for stream, some for audio and leftover bandwidth for game and programs etc, but you can get by with half of that if you don't want the best stream quality, or less if you want to use lower resolution/fps on stream

I would suggest trying shadowplay and shadowplay twitch streaming feature, but it's unsupported by 560ti (need ~650 or greater) and a bit questionable to be investing money in right now (though good to try if people already have compatible gpu's)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
-Miszu-
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland18 Posts
December 24 2013 21:59 GMT
#3290
I read guide. Thanks for help

i have 1mb upload but soon i will have better upload.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 23:19:26
December 24 2013 23:15 GMT
#3291
Im trying to research the difference between 4570 and 4670. The only thing it seems to say is 4570 does better in single thread while 4670 does better in dual thread. What are some examples of tasks that do single and examples of multi? Im assuming gaming does multi..?
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/430/Intel_Core_i5_i5-4570_vs_Intel_Core_i5_i5-4670.html
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 24 2013 23:20 GMT
#3292
4570 and 4670 is the same except the 4670 is clocked higher.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 24 2013 23:21 GMT
#3293
The 4670 is clocked 200mhz higher and has very slightly stronger integrated graphics and slightly higher price, no other real difference (better in every way when benchmarked properly)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 25 2013 00:01 GMT
#3294
Im trying to find on google some differences between these 2 cards
Evga 760 ~$250 http://www.redflagdeals.com/flyers/tiger-direct/boxing-week-knock-out-deals-dec-26-to-jan-02-2014-22877/?page=1#flyer

gigabyte 760 OC ~$240 http://www.redflagdeals.com/flyers/canada-computers-and-electronics/boxing-day-sale-dec-26-to-dec-26-2013-23129/?page=3#flyer

All iv found was that gigabyte clocks abit faster so why is the evga priced more? Any other differences? What is an ATX cooler?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2013 00:02 GMT
#3295
Brand name...
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 25 2013 01:29 GMT
#3296
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47273

Does this motherboard mean it already comes with wifi capabilities installed..? Or would I still need to buy a PCI/USB wireless card if I want wireless
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2013 01:32 GMT
#3297
Comes with wifi.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 25 2013 01:46 GMT
#3298
Am i correct in assuming the first ram is better than the second with the higher speed?
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33234
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 01:53:45
December 25 2013 01:50 GMT
#3299
On December 25 2013 10:29 Leeoku wrote:
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47273

Does this motherboard mean it already comes with wifi capabilities installed..? Or would I still need to buy a PCI/USB wireless card if I want wireless

Keep in mind that this is an ITX board. The board fits in a large, normal case, but you can also take a look at a lot of neat special tiny cases to build your PC in. A lot of people seem to like the Bitfenix Prodigy and I think I've seen you post something about boxing days specials with that Prodigy case sold for $50 or so?

EDIT: Here's where you posted it, $50 for two different looks of the Bitfenix Prodigy: http://www.redflagdeals.com/flyers/canada-computers-and-electronics/boxing-day-sale-dec-26-to-dec-26-2013-23129/?page=4#flyer

On December 25 2013 10:46 Leeoku wrote:
Am i correct in assuming the first ram is better than the second with the higher speed?
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33234

You can't use the faster RAM at 2133MHz speed on the normal CPUs because everything above 1600MHz is technically overclocking as far as I know.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 01:56:52
December 25 2013 01:52 GMT
#3300
@ropid no im buying a fd define r4. Maybe I was asking about the ram in the column above..?

Yea i guess thats another thing I should be concerned about. I don't know what this itx atx business in motherboards are. I just wanted an unclocked processor (4570 or 4670) and a motherboard that fits it (was told h87 would do fine)

And also, the faster ram is cheaper so.. may as well? Would using the faster ram just default to 1600 if it isnt OC?
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