• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:06
CET 17:06
KST 01:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE!
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Men's Fashion Thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11590 users

Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 166

Forum Index > Tech Support
Post a Reply
Prev 1 164 165 166 167 168 746 Next
When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 01:56:25
December 25 2013 01:55 GMT
#3301
There's three sizes, ITX, mATX, ATX. The smaller sizes all fit into a case for a larger size. It just might look a bit funny.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 25 2013 02:03 GMT
#3302
Does that mean that board is ITX? (says form factor itx i think that references it) Im assuming itx is smallest? If so should I just choose a larger board given im gona use r4 define
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2013 02:16 GMT
#3303
480gb Vertex 3 for $150 at the NCIX Ottawa grand opening.
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
December 25 2013 02:32 GMT
#3304
I have realized that I used the wrong format (and some awful wording) for my last request for help. Anyway, here is a second attempt.

At the moment, I am strongly considering getting an Intel i5-4670($15 promo code) and a basic $70-ish mobo(with 4 slots of ram to fit my 4 sticks). I would like some guidance as to whether this would be appropriate or if a less expensive option would give me a comparable result.

What is your current build?

AMD Athlon 635 x4
4 sticks Adata 1600 2gb of ddr3
ASRock AM3 AMD 770
samsung 830 120 gb ssd
hitachi 500gb hdd
Gigabyte 6850 2 gb
corsair 450w PSU


What is your monitor's native resolution?
My primarily monitor runs at 1920x1080 and my secondary runs at 1600x900.


Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I would like to upgrade my CPU and mobo for the purpose of playing BF4, Rome2, and Natural Selection2. I am in possession of an after-market heatsink so overclocking is a possibility. Generally, I don't mind playing games in low or medium settings to gain frames per second.

Additionally, my poor Athlon 635 can barely run those games at low settings with a low-ish framse per second.

What is your budget?
My budget is under 300 USD. I prefer to spend less.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg and Amazon are available to me. (rest in peace Santa Clara Microcenter; you will always be missed.)
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 25 2013 02:34 GMT
#3305
Intel 530 180gb for $130: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX47349
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 25 2013 02:40 GMT
#3306
On December 25 2013 11:03 Leeoku wrote:
Does that mean that board is ITX? (says form factor itx i think that references it) Im assuming itx is smallest? If so should I just choose a larger board given im gona use r4 define

ATX is full size. mATX has like two expansion card slots cut off, ITX is a tiny square with just a single expansion card slot.

I don't know if it's a good choice! I think its price might be pretty fair if the WiFi will work well and you want to use that feature (it should actually be pretty great, comes with an antenna using a cable that you can move around, so surely better than a WiFi USB stick or something).

I just worry there might be something cheaper in normal size plus buying WiFi separately.

WiFi is missing in all cheap ATX boards. It's a special feature for the ATX boards. It's often on the ITX boards because people want to build tiny computers with those, set up next to the TV or something, and WiFi makes sense to have for that. There's no room for upgrades on ITX so it's a good feature to have on the board itself. The board has only one expansion slot for the graphics card and nothing else.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
December 25 2013 02:55 GMT
#3307
On December 25 2013 00:39 Incognoto wrote:
Honestly it sounds a lot like everything is working (fans spinning and whatnot), I doubt anything is broken. I really think it's a power connector issue. What PSU are you using? Try troubleshooting the problem from there. My computer did something similar when I test booted; I hadn't plugged the proper PSU connector to the CPU header (is that the correct term?) in the motherboard so it didn't work.

All I can think of off the top of my head.

My psu is a rosewill capstone.
I only connected the PCIE (2 8 pins) to the GPU and connected the GPU into the motherboard slot.

(for the PSU to CPU header thing, is that the one thats labled "CP" and "U1" ?? i plugged in the CP one)

On December 25 2013 00:51 Cyro wrote:


Show nested quote +
if i have GPU in, both the GPU and the Motherboard ports say "no signal" on the monitor


Something silly, but are you sure to be using the first DVI out on your GPU? Do it's fans spin up?



how do know which is the first DVI out? on the gpu, theres 2 DVI outputs but they both look a little different. i used the one that looks exaclty the same as the DVI cable. and yes the fans on the GPU spin and theres a blue light that lights up.

On December 25 2013 00:58 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2013 23:57 IMKR wrote:
5) my bros dont have any speakers atm, i think i will try picking up speakers and try this method later


That's not what those "PC speaker" are. They are just a part that can do "beep" and nothing else. They are plugged into the pins where you connect the power and reset button and lights.

It's safe to use a different GPU in that board from all I've ever seen, but you might instead do the reverse, check out the two cards in your PC.

for the PC speaker test, dont i need speakers to hear the beeps? (this monitor doesnt have built in speakers)

and im not sure what you mean by the bolded part. what 2 cards in the PC??
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 02:59:26
December 25 2013 02:57 GMT
#3308
@ropid so would just buying an atx board with a usb / pci wireless be better given my case is FD define r4?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 25 2013 03:19 GMT
#3309
On December 25 2013 11:57 Leeoku wrote:
@ropid so would just buying an atx board with a usb / pci wireless be better given my case is FD define r4?

I really don't know. Personally, I predict I'd be fine with an ITX board, but you should take a good look at it. It is missing stuff. Everything is cramped and they had to ditch a bunch of connectors and slots. You won't ever upgrade RAM without completely replacing it. You won't ever run a bunch of old HDDs with it as it might not have enough connectors for that (while your Define R4 case has room for a lot of HDDs).

But you might not need any of that. If you ever run into problems with RAM size, you can just buy a new kit of two larger sticks, sell the old kit on ebay. Regarding HDDs, an external one often actually makes more sense if it's for saving backups or other things you don't access often. You probably won't ever feel the need to buy a sound card or something, same with other expansion cards. If you really need something, there's also everything available external nowadays because notebooks got so popular.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 25 2013 03:34 GMT
#3310
On December 25 2013 11:55 IMKR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 00:39 Incognoto wrote:
Honestly it sounds a lot like everything is working (fans spinning and whatnot), I doubt anything is broken. I really think it's a power connector issue. What PSU are you using? Try troubleshooting the problem from there. My computer did something similar when I test booted; I hadn't plugged the proper PSU connector to the CPU header (is that the correct term?) in the motherboard so it didn't work.

All I can think of off the top of my head.

My psu is a rosewill capstone.
I only connected the PCIE (2 8 pins) to the GPU and connected the GPU into the motherboard slot.

(for the PSU to CPU header thing, is that the one thats labled "CP" and "U1" ?? i plugged in the CP one)

Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 00:51 Cyro wrote:


if i have GPU in, both the GPU and the Motherboard ports say "no signal" on the monitor


Something silly, but are you sure to be using the first DVI out on your GPU? Do it's fans spin up?



how do know which is the first DVI out? on the gpu, theres 2 DVI outputs but they both look a little different. i used the one that looks exaclty the same as the DVI cable. and yes the fans on the GPU spin and theres a blue light that lights up.

Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 00:58 Ropid wrote:
On December 24 2013 23:57 IMKR wrote:
5) my bros dont have any speakers atm, i think i will try picking up speakers and try this method later


That's not what those "PC speaker" are. They are just a part that can do "beep" and nothing else. They are plugged into the pins where you connect the power and reset button and lights.

It's safe to use a different GPU in that board from all I've ever seen, but you might instead do the reverse, check out the two cards in your PC.

for the PC speaker test, dont i need speakers to hear the beeps? (this monitor doesnt have built in speakers)

and im not sure what you mean by the bolded part. what 2 cards in the PC??

That "PC speaker" is not actually a normal speaker. It's a part that can literally just beep (can actually do a little more, though still just beep boop pretty much). I got one with my case that looked like this: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Number one DVI connector should be the one that has that plus sign with four dots, not the one that looks like the DVI monitor cable.

I meant you could use your PC for experimenting. Try to check both of the two graphics cards work in your PC instead of trying your good card in the possibly broken board.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
December 25 2013 03:37 GMT
#3311
oh yeah i have that wierd cable thing (atleast i think i do, i put everythign away yesterday to sleep, but im sure i saw that wired cable)

and for the DVI, i put it into the one w/o the 4 dots.
i guess ill take everything out and redo this


also, how do i use that beeping thing with that cable? and i dont need any speakeres or built in speakers for the sound to work?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 25 2013 03:44 GMT
#3312
That cylinder thingy will beep. Those cables and the connector part gets plugged into the same area of the board where you've plugged the case buttons and lights into. There's tiny writing on the board (impossible to read when inside the case without flashlight), or look in the manual. The side of the connector with the colorful cable has to go into the + pin and the side with the black cable into the - pin.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 03:56:08
December 25 2013 03:55 GMT
#3313
mine looks a bit different actually (it may be something different?)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
December 25 2013 04:01 GMT
#3314
also, last night, i tried HDMI from monitor to the GPU and that also didnt work.

the fan still spun and lit up and all though but still no signal
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 04:57:56
December 25 2013 04:06 GMT
#3315
I plugged the DVI cable into the other DVI port on the GPU and it still says no signal, even though the fan spins and the GPU lights up (theres like a blue LED or something)
is it possible that my PCI-E slot on my mobo is broken? how do i check that if it is?

my gpu isnt broken tho right? since the fan spins and LED on gpu lights up?

EDIT: what is the V-check points on the GPU also?
Soloturtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada333 Posts
December 25 2013 04:11 GMT
#3316
So boxing week/day flyers came out and I'm looking for help in finding what is a good deal for my pc.
http://products.ncix.com/promo/boxingweek2013x66.htm
http://www.canadacomputers.com/BoxingSale2013/index.php?boxingweek=comp

What is your budget?
Around $1000, the lower the better

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920 x 1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2, Dota2, various steam games (Nothing extreme)

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Nothing particular, school/gaming computer

Do you intend to overclock?
No, not necessary I think

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No, out of budget

Do you need an operating system?
Nope, got one

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I need a monitor, one that isn't very large (Lower than 24 inches)
Yes, part of budget

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Not particularly,
Prefer an intel processor and nvidia graphics card but any is fine if it's a good deal and reliable

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Ncix and canada computers
I prefer buying majority from 1 retailer to save on shipping



They also have doorbuster deals and I was wondering if anything is worth lining up for in the cold weather. (-18 celsius)
Thanks, I appreciate all the help I can get!
Merry Christmas!!
Cool
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 15:37:39
December 25 2013 05:11 GMT
#3317
So after heavy talk and contemplating i have overthrown my buidl again and this is what I came up with...

GPU: gtx 770 ~350
Mobo: h87 ~90
CPU: 4670~220
Case: Fractal define r4~80
ram: Corsair Low Profile 1x8gb 70
PSU: seasonic gold 450 W ~85 (do i need the 550?)
WD Blue HDD
Optical Drive
Wireless
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 05:22:15
December 25 2013 05:17 GMT
#3318
I switched out the GPU with mine (same kind msi gtx 760) and it works.

100% his GPU was broken

but how come the broken GPU still lights up and the fans still turn?
IMKR
Profile Joined August 2012
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 08:05:18
December 25 2013 05:19 GMT
#3319
How do i make a desktop PC have wireless so i can connect to the internet with wifi?
Avarice
Profile Joined April 2010
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 12:33:45
December 25 2013 11:17 GMT
#3320
Got a bit bored during time off, decided to mod the shit out of Skyrim and sink some more hours into it. By the looks of things, my gpu is inhibiting me a bit when I get into high res textures. There are some potentially meaty games around the corner as well.

After a bit of looking around, it seems like an upgrade from a gtx560 ti to a 770 would suit me for the upcoming couple of years. The modding guide I'm following to set up the framework is suggesting a noticeable difference between 2g and 4g vram. Any opinions from the more technically affluent around here on that one? Will texture sizes still be limited enough by consoles that only extremely modded games will need more than 2g for the forseeable future?

Thanks for your time.
Prev 1 164 165 166 167 168 746 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
23:00
Patch Clash S1: Monthly #3
RotterdaM526
TKL 195
SteadfastSC131
EnkiAlexander 11
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 526
TKL 195
MaxPax 188
SHIN 140
SteadfastSC 131
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4047
Mini 353
BeSt 299
Hyuk 224
firebathero 215
Stork 161
Soulkey 143
Snow 141
Rush 117
Barracks 97
[ Show more ]
Sea.KH 75
Zeus 67
Mong 64
Sharp 62
Leta 51
Killer 48
Hyun 44
ToSsGirL 35
Bale 33
Shine 29
Terrorterran 28
Trap 28
Movie 20
Yoon 16
zelot 16
soO 15
Rock 14
Hm[arnc] 13
yabsab 11
Sacsri 9
Dota 2
qojqva2506
Dendi916
syndereN332
monkeys_forever200
Counter-Strike
x6flipin189
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes479
Lowko375
Other Games
singsing1585
B2W.Neo1038
hiko840
Beastyqt747
Mlord333
Livibee170
mouzStarbuck147
Liquid`VortiX129
ArmadaUGS122
Mew2King55
Trikslyr27
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL410
Other Games
WardiTV406
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3831
• WagamamaTV509
League of Legends
• Nemesis1115
• TFBlade754
Other Games
• Shiphtur397
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8h 54m
Kung Fu Cup
18h 54m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 17h
KCM Race Survival
1d 17h
OSC
1d 21h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
IPSL
4 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.