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[image loading]Ultimate Chair Buying Resource Thread
What Needs to be Considered :: List of Manufacturers :: Chair Comparison Chart :: Reviews :: Gallery
Where to Buy :: Warranty Overview
Disclaimer :: Last Updated 26 July 2013 :: Changelog

A good chair makes your life as a gamer and computer user infinitely better. There is no justification as to why you do not have a good chair if you spend the majority of your leisure time on the computer.

Chairs have a relatively large upfront cost that may turn you off but they are well worth it if you consider the following:
  • Bad chairs just suck and you typically end up replacing them after a year or two because the seat padding becomes too thin for your butt’s liking.
  • They last for a decade and even longer depending on usage. If you divide the cost over the lifetime of the chair, a $1000 chair suddenly becomes $100 per year over ten years or $50 over twenty years. Most of you spend significantly more, some as much as ten times more on your computers, cellphones, and entertainment.
  • Like other pieces of furniture, chairs don’t become obsolete. The Herman Miller Aeron was introduced in 1994 and here we are nineteen years later, it is still considered a good chair by many.
  • The human body is not made for sitting, it wants to move about. A chair that allows you to move comfortably increases productivity and improves your wellbeing.
  • Chronic back pain affects millions of people because most of us sit on average ten hours a day. Don’t think you’re going to be an exception. Being proactive about your health is going to end up saving you time and money later.
It just doesn’t make sense to skimp on your chair when you probably don’t skimp on other things in life. Invest in a good chair! Your butt and back will thank your wallet later.



WHAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED back to top
    Do not make the common mistake of focusing on just the lumbar support. A good chair is made up of all its parts.
    SEAT DIMENSIONS (HEIGHT, DEPTH, WIDTH) back to top
      The pneumatic cylinder is what allows you to change the height of the seat. Most chairs are outfitted with a standard cylinder that allows for a seat height of somewhere between fifteen inches and twenty inches. Some manufacturers such as Humanscale, Klober, and Okamura offer other cylinders on some chair models to accommodate the shorter and taller individuals.

      When the seat is positioned at the right height, it supports your thighs while your back is supported by the backrest and your feet is resting comfortably flat on the floor or on a footrest. Sitting too low puts unnecessary pressure on your butt and sitting too high makes for difficult movement in the chair.

      Have approximately two inches between the back of your knee and the seat edge so that your thighs are properly supported and to avoid pressure on the back of your knees. A seat that is too deep will be uncomfortable as it will create pressure on the back of your knees. To get rid of this pressure, your body will either end up slouching or sitting further forward on the seat. Both solutions are bad as you do not utilize the backrest to take pressure off your intervertebral disc and not utilizing the backrest means not utilizing a portion of the chair which essentially means you wasted your money. A seat that is too shallow does not support your thighs entirely which makes the disc work even harder than it already is to support your body.

      The same rule applies for seat width. Having two inches on both sides allows for easy movement. Seat width also affects the width between the armrests. If you are a small individual make sure that the armrests can be adjusted inwards enough so that you can take advantage of the armrests.

    SEAT BACK AND LUMBAR SUPPORT back to top
      The height of the seat back should ideally be the height of your back to have your upper back supported and allow for a comfortable recline.

      Most expensive chairs have an adjustable lumbar support of some sort so that the chair can accommodate a wide range of users. Some are more limited in their adjustment range than others so ensure you actually have a chance to try the chair out. Good lumbar support reduces stress on your disc so your lumbar region should always be supported, even in reclined positions. If your lumbar is not properly supported in a reclined position, you may end up slouching.

    TILT MECHANISM back to top
      This is what controls the movement of the seat and back, allowing the chair to tilt. This part of the chair is often overlooked by the majority of people even though it is as equally important as the lumbar support. Just like how poor posture is bad, sitting in the same posture for long stretches of time is also bad.

      Reclining not only helps you relax but it carries numerous other benefits such as relieving stress off your spine and disc, and improving blood circulation. You should be reclining in your chair as frequently as possible. Chairs that keep your butt relatively leveled in a reclined position are better suited for gaming and computer usage.

        THE DIFFERENT TYPES
        The standard tilt has the pivot point in the center of the chair so that as you recline, the front of the seat goes up and the back of the seat goes down. Eventually, your feet will come off the floor. The back is also fixed to the chair so the angle between your back and thighs do not change.

        Knee-tilt moves the pivot point to the front of the chair so that as you recline, your feet will remain on the ground. Basic chairs tend to have this type of mechanism.

        The most common mechanism is synchronous-tilt which is a more advanced knee tilt. The back and seat tilt in unison at a set ratio, typically 2:1 which means that the back moves two degrees for every one degree the seat moves.

        Another mechanism that is gaining in popularity is counter-balance where tilt is adjusted by the individual’s weight rather than with levers and knobs. The seat also slides forward (and typically increase slightly in height) and remains leveled as you recline. The main idea behind this is that most people do not use the adjustments on the chair so taking away all the tilt adjustment options makes for a less expensive, lighter, and simpler chair. This type of mechanism would be ideal for individuals that share their chair with co-workers or housemates. Though that is not to say this is a bad mechanism for individual usage. Having tilt controlled by body weight may just be uncomfortable for some individuals.

        Steelcase’s Natural Glide mechanism is a variation of synchronous-tilt where the seat slides forward and remains leveled as the back tilts.

        There are numerous other mechanisms as well but most are just a patented variation of synchronous-tilt. Two of the more unique ones are Wilkhahn’s Trimension where the seat can tilt side to side and Okamura’s muscular mechanism where it assists the user from standing to sitting to reclining.

    UPHOLSTERY back to top
      Leather is complicated as there are different grades and quality of dye. Generally speaking, the advantages of leather is that its’ durable, easy to maintain, feels comfortable and is great aesthetically. It takes on room temperature so if you do not have a controlled environment, it may feel uncomfortable during hotter weather.

      Mesh is also durable and easy to maintain but its major selling point is its’ breathability and inexpensiveness. If you don’t wear pants or do not sit with a proper posture all the time then mesh may be uncomfortable. Mesh is typically not comfortable for long sessions, this is why so many manufacturers have a seat that is fabric or leather and offer the optional back upholstery.

      Fabric is sort of a compromise between the two. Not as durable or elegant and is harder to maintain. Though it does have its upsides, it does not carry the high-end price tag of leather and is typically more comfortable for prolonged sessions than mesh.

    ARMRESTS back to top
      Armrests can be both beneficial and detrimental to your health. Properly adjusted armrests take some of the load off your back and ease the load on your knees when getting in and out of the chair. Limited or non-adjustable armrests will more than likely hinder you in one way or the other.

      Too high of armrests puts stress on your shoulders and too low of armrests will encourage slouching to have the arms supported. Too far apart tend to promote resting on one’s elbow which puts stress on the muscle and may lead to cubital tunnel syndrome. Not far apart may restrict movement in and out of the chair. No depth and/or pivot adjustment may hinder you from getting close to the working surface so you end up leaning forward or discourage reclining in the chair as there is no proper arm support.

      4D armrests are ideal. That is, armrests that moves in four directions: height, width, depth, and pivot. All these adjustments facilitate working and reclining in your chair. Don’t be fooled though, armrests being 4D does not automatically make them perfect. Every chair has their armrests attached differently. Some will tilt with the seat, some will tilt with the back, and others will remain leveled as you recline. Armrests that tilt with the seat may make it uncomfortable to work at a desk in reclined positions. And due to the design (or lack of), some don’t get out of the way far enough, hurting guitarists and possibly others as well if they need to work close to the desk. Make sure that you are comfortable with the armrests in a reclined position otherwise you may be discouraged from reclining.

    CASTERS back to top
      Don’t neglect the casters as they are also an important piece to the chair. Like car tires, you need to select the proper one and maintain them for optimal performance. Most chairs use dual casters with 2.5” wheels while some manufacturers offer the optional 3” wheel upgrade. Larger wheels are taller and have less rolling resistance which means they are better for those who move around a lot or have their chair on a very deep carpet.

      Beyond that, there are two types of casters, hard and soft. Hard casters are also known as soft floor casters (SFC) or carpet casters. These are made of hard materials, typically nylon and are suitable for use on carpets only. Most new chairs come equipped with hard casters. Soft casters are also known as hard floor casters (HFC). These are softened with a synthetic substance, typically polyurethane and typically have brakes.

      Using the improper casters can not only damage your floors but also affect your wellbeing. Hard casters have no grip or brake mechanism so they end up sliding on hard floors, rather than rolling. Sliding creates noise and results in the chair being able to move too freely which creates a hazard. It also may result in fatigue as you try to keep the chair stationary. On the contrary, using soft casters on carpets may also result in fatigue due to the increased difficulty in maneuvering.

    ADJUSTMENT KNOBS AND LEVERS back to top
      Chairs should not be set and forget. Adjustment controls should be intuitive to use and easy to reach so that you can work in different positions more comfortably. Many people often don’t take the time to learn how to adjust their chair to themselves and this is why there is a move to the counter-balance mechanism which takes away the choices and does everything for you!

LIST OF MANUFACTURERS (not exhaustive) back to top
    –
    us Allsteel
    gb Boss
    no HÅG
    us Haworth
    us Herman Miller
    us Humanscale
    dk Insterstuhl
    us Knoll
    de Klöber
    jp Okamura
    gb Orangebox
    us Raynor
    se RH
    de Sedus
    gb Senator
    us Steelcase
    ca Teknion
    ch Vitra
    de Wilkhahn

CHAIR COMPARISON CHART (not exhaustive) back to top
    This is just a compilation of the specifications listed by the manufacturers and retailers. Please note that there may be some mistakes so always double check yourself! This list is by no means complete. I will do my best to make additions and refinements if there is interest. Feel free to contribute as well!

    I have not done a thorough price comparison yet as this is a very complicated process due to the various regions and optional add-ons. But I have organized the list from generally the most expensive to least expensive model for each manufacturer. The lowest models generally start at $600 while the higher end models start at $1000 or above and top out at $5000 fully loaded.

    Some things to be aware of when looking at the comparison chart or specifications in general:
    • All the values are in inches or degrees.
    • Values listed as ?? or not specified means that I could not find any information on it and values left blank means I have not got through to doing it yet.
    • Some manufacturers offer basic models which do not include all the adjustments or have smaller adjustment ranges.
      • The seat height listed is with a standard cylinder. Taller and shorter cylinders are offered by some manufacturers, I will add this to the list later. A prime example is Humanscale.
      • The armrest dimensions and adjustments listed are with the best available arms.
      • Mid-back seat height values are used throughout. Some manufacturers offer high-back models.
    • Lock positions are in increments so if the # of lock positions has a value of 5 and the back tilt is 30° then it typically means it locks at 5°, 10°, 15°, 20°, and 30°. When value is listed as inf, it means infinity and that you are free to lock it at any position.
    • Back width is not listed because it is generally the same width as the seat or just a tad bit narrower.
    • Armrest pivot is listed as inward / outward or as a single value if they pivot both ways. In HÅG’s case, they pivot downwards rather than inward and outward. Note that Steelcase Leap’s armrest does not pivot outward when they are positioned in the furthest position. This may be the case for some other chairs as well.
    • Armrest depth is the adjustment range, not the actual depth of the armrests or where they are positioned in the chair. Many manufacturers do not list these values.
    • The distance between armrests is generally measured from the inners.
    • Armrest height is typically measured from the top of the seat to the top of the armrest.
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REVIEWS back to top
    Best Office Chair Showdown (Herman Miller, Humanscale, Steelcase) by Workified      
    Herman Miller Aeron: Of all the chairs we tested, this had one of the best lumbar supports. One of the downsides of the Aeron are the arm rests. They aren’t the easiest to adjust and sometimes go out of position.

    Herman Miller Embody: probably our favorite chair of all time. From our limited experience with it in the showroom…it’s basically the perfect chair.

    Humanscale Freedom: And speaking of user friendly, this chair has, hands-down, the easiest mechanism to adjust arm position of any chair we’ve seen…which we’ve found is typically the most adjusted part of any chair. With the Freedom, the arm rests adjusts up and down with a mere tilt of the wrist. The downside of the Freedom was the seat-pan. As compared to the Aeron, there were noticeable drawbacks to the Freedom seat-pan. For one, although we had the Freedom with the gel seat upgrade, the seat just felt dead and flat, while the Aeron pellicle seat-pan, although not padded, had a springy feel to it. Some users of the Aeron complain that the pellicle feels rough like sandpaper, but we found that the Freedom seat-pan is so smooth, that the sitter’s position has a tendency of sliding forward in the seat. Another negative with the Freedom is the inability to lock the recline function. We felt that often times, locking the chair in the upright position offers better ergonomics than being able to rock backwards at any given time.

    We believe that the Freedom was designed specifically for this headrest version. The reason is because of the excellent tilt/recline mechanism of the Freedom. The Freedom has such good recline mode, the sitter has a natural tendency to recline the entire upper body, which includes the head. The shame to this Freedom line is that the normal Freedom can’t be upgraded to the model with headrest. We called Humanscale and were told that this upgrade is completely not doable.

    Humanscale Liberty: This is probably the simplest chair of the bunch. Although not “adjustable”, one of our favorite features unique to the Liberty is the auto pivoting back rest. We found this mechanism to be very comfortable as the sitter goes from upright to recline mode. The pivoting back rest follows your body’s movement and contours well to the natural curvature from the bottom of your spine to upper back. We also found the mesh back to have a good amount of lumbar support and resistance…better than the Freedom but not as good as the Aeron. We also thought the padded armrests were more comfortable and durable than the armrests found on the Aeron. One of the biggest drawbacks of the Liberty is definitely the unadjustable armrest. Given the brilliant design of the armrest adjustment on the Freedom, this Liberty armrest is unforgivable.

    Steelcase Leap: We loved the this chair, and in our comparisons…it beat out most of the competition. The seat pan cushion has a good amount of padding, and the hydraulic cylinder holding up the chair has a good amount of springiness to it. One of our favorite parts of this chair is the lumbar support. Steelcase included a lumbar control knob that adjusts the amount of lumbar support you need, much like the mechanism found in front car seats. Another much liked feature are the armrests. These armrests are the most adjustable of the bunch, can accommodate a multitude of positions, and we found them very sturdy and comfortable.

    Steelcase Think: the Steelcase seat pan cushions seem to be the best out of the bunch. We also liked how the seat pan cushion slopes down towards the front and is forgiving for sitters who lean forward when they sit. It’s a much welcomed design when compared to the Aeron, which has zero flexibility in the front of the seat pan, which cuts off circulation on the legs. The biggest thing we didn’t like about the chair is the mesh backing. It definitely offers much needed breathability and ventilation for long periods of sitting, but the material just felt a bit cheap to us. Also, we weren’t convinced that the many horizontal metal bars running along the back to support the sitter was the most “thoughtful” approach to back support design on a chair. That said, we did like the adjustable lumbar support that’s padded for extra comfort.

    Allsteel, Haworth, Herman Miller, Knoll, or Steelcase? by Steph Hay @ Work Design Magazine      
    The Acuity has no levers and a dual-tread caster that enables the user to float around easily from carpet to hard flooring. And although the seat felt less comfortable to me than Relate, the back on this chair is truly amazing. The more weight I put against it when leaning, the more it adjusted to the particular curve of my body. And it had a feather-like responsiveness, which I found refreshing. Plus, the clever thumb locks on the arms keep them in place so if I push against them to get up out of my chair, they stay put.

    The Zody chair‘s gel seat cushion felt like it was made for my butt. Even the back is flexible so I could turn and reach comfortably - and the chair felt like it was flexing with me.

    The Embody chair has a wide base (potentially a bit too wide) that’s supportive for folks who are doing task-based work in non-traditional positions. That means I can easily sit cross-legged, and with the narrow back with a “skeleton” like structure, I can turn and pivot to reach things without issue. When increasing the back tension, it literally feels like my particular spine is being held at the exact pressure points I most need additional support. And the arms adjust inward and diagonally to perfectly support my frame. That said, it leans back so elegantly and has a high, supportive back (for my head) that I fear I might fall asleep from the incredible comfort it promotes.

    And, literally as soon as I sat in the Think chair, I was in love. It was the most intuitive, light, and easy chair I sat in. It’s the unequivocal winner for its adjustments alone.

    Review of a few office chairs (Haworth, Herman Miller, Humanscale, Steelcase) by Notatypewriter      
    Haworth Very and Zody: Both of these chairs were essentially the same thing. The Zody had armrests you could move in and out. Both chairs were very comfortable and my spine was kept pretty straight once you adjusted the lumbar support properly. At the softest setting, I felt my spine going into the C shape. However, the construction looked a bit flimsy. The lumbar support structure looked like some plastic assembly and it was floppy and seemed prone to breakage.

    Herman Miller Aeron: Its hard plastic shell around the seat makes every non-standard sitting position uncomfortable. Otherwise, this chair is pretty dang comfortable.

    Herman Miller Embody: I found the Backfit adjustment incredibly unintuitive. I could feel the back rest shifting, but I couldn’t feel where it was shifting to and consequently couldn’t adjust it. Nevertheless, it was incredibly comfortable.

    Herman Miller Mirra: It’s a little wide for me and I was unable to adjust the arms inward (now that I watched the video, apparently you can but this feature is clearly undiscoverable), but otherwise this chair was one of my favorite chairs of the day. The lumbar support is very adjustable and very nice.

    Humanscale Freedom: The headrest on this chair was incredibly uncomfortable. However, there is a version without the headrest. As I reclined, I didn’t feel the lumbar support move with my back.

    Humanscale Liberty: You can’t adjust the width on these arms. I also didn’t feel any lumbar support at all.

    Steelcase Leap: This chair was incredibly comfortable. Upon reclining, the lumbar support stayed put in relation to my back and thus supported my back through the entire recline. This was probably my favorite chair.

    Steelcase Think: It feels a little shoddy, especially for its price. The back support is a series of steel rails, which I don’t think are terribly effective. The lumbar support has a tendency to get stuck in the rails so you have to untangle it almost every time you adjust it.

    Raynor Ergohuman v1 by Celeritas @ Teamliquid      
    It provides amazing support to your lower back, and makes sitting up straight actually really comfortable. After using the chair for over 4 months, I've noticed my posture has been noticeably better.

    The step up from a $50 office chair to the Ergohuman V1 has been amazing to me. I feel extremely comfortable when at my computer, it is adjustable to suit my body, and my posture has improved considerably. If you're looking for a new chair, I'd recommend saving up a little bit more money and purchasing something like this chair. Anyone who browses Teamliquid no doubt spends a lot of time at their computers. If you do a tonne of cycling, you buy a nice bike; if you play a lot of guitar, you buy a high-quality one; if you do a lot of sitting, you should probably buy a good chair.

    Herman Miller Embody by Mark @ Smart Furniture      
    Conclusion: the Embody does everything you'd expect a chair to do exceptionally well. On top of that, it gives you an experience sort of like lying in a hammock and moves with you to such a degree that you are able to forget it's there—for the most part—and just focus on getting things done. That, in my opinion, is its best feature. Every chair has flaws, but Embody has few. I don't want to give it back, and that tells me more than any analysis ever could.

    Herman Miller Aeron by Matt @ Smart Furniture      
    I do have a couple of things - you may call them complaints - about the Aeron. Herman Miller has improved on these issues with the Mirra and Embody Chairs, both of which have been introduced since the Aeron Chair. The first issue pertains to the Aeron Chair's back frame. The perimeter of the back is made of hard plastic, so the back feels soft and giving as you move up the Pellicle back. ... that is, until you hit the rigid frame. For this reason, it's important to get the size that fits you right. Aeron comes in 3 sizes to fit the vast majority of the population. If you get a size A and you need a size B, your shoulder blades will hit the frame and make you unhappy. The rigid frame also prevents you from twisting free-spiritedly (quite the adverb) in the chair - something you come to expect once you've sat in the Embody Chair and, to a lesser extent, the Mirra Chair.

    The second issue I have is with the tension mechanism for the recline. Maybe I'm just lazy and like to lean back in my chair too much, but I think the Aeron Chair is a little bit too serious about keeping you upright in a traditional tasking posture. You can recline, but you kind of have to work for it. Otherwise Aeron will tilt you forward again.

    Herman Miller Mirra by Melanie @ Smart Furniture      
    My Mirra gripes: 1) when I plop down on the chair there is no bounce. Its like plopping down on a dining chair. Well ...a dining chair with a really comfy seat made of a suspended elastomeric material. No matter what position the pneumatic cylinder is in, high or low, the chair is not designed to spring up and down when you sit. 2) the arms could adjust a little higher for peeps like me who use them as a pseudo keyboard tray. 3) You can't pimp out the chair with leather armpads and a shiny polished aluminum or titanium base. But, the base is as least made of metal and not plastic.

    Steelcase Leap by Jean @ NOTCOT      
    The shape of the back support is interesting, and feels great, nice to have the additional height adjustable lumbar support piece as well… Ooooh and for the record, while i still LOVE the look and feel of the Think chair, the Steelcase Leap is definitely more supportive of my overworked little body

    Steelcase Leap by Matt @ Smart Furniture      
    ]I use a keyboard and monitor at my desk (as opposed to a laptop), and I like to move around depending on what I need to be closer to — my phone or my giant pile of mess on the other side of my desk. The point is that I constantly reposition my keyboard, which requires me to constantly reposition my arms; being able to move the Leap Chair's arms in three dimensions keeps me comfortable, and probably does good things for my shoulders and spine too.

    Leap Chair is equipped with a breathable polyester-blend fabric that makes your sweat glands go into a coma. When I switched to the Leap Chair, one concern I had was that the fabric wouldn't breathe like the Bungie Chair; fortunately, Leap proved up to the task. The texture of the back and seat feels slightly soft yet rough; not rough in a bad way, simply not smooth like leather. Anyway, something about this texture breathes very well and has made the temperature between me and the chair a non-factor.

    Steelcase Think by Mark & Cyndi @ Smart Furniture      
    I immediately noticed the very cushioned and comfortable seat. I also noticed how comfortable it was when I leaned back. You see, I ruptured a disk in my back a few years ago so there aren't too many chairs that are truly comfortable. So I need a chair that has great lumbar support and helps my back relax while sitting. The Think chair does have a great lumbar support which really helps my posture while sitting, not one of my strong points.

    I found that the frame bars, since they're independent and not connected at the top, flex quite a bit. The result is that when I turn in the chair and move around, the back is not stiff from side to side, but twists with me quite comfortably.

    Now that you know more than you need to about my sitting habits, the simplest thing is to understand that these armrests offer great flexibility with ease. To move them from one configuration to the next, all I do is drag them with my elbow (!!!). They are my favorite feature on the Think because of the ease and flexibility.

    DXRacer Fastback by Chairman Ray @ Teamliquid      
    There are only three adjustments on this chair - backrest angle, seat height, and armrest height. It lacks the customization for seat depth and seat angle. For my height (5'11), the seat depth is perfect. When sitting properly, I can fit 3 fingers between my back of my legs and the front of the seat. The seat has a slight backwards angle of about 4 degrees. Although sitting back is very comfortable, leaning forward is a bit difficult.

    This chair comes with two cusions - one for your neck and one for your lumbar. The neck one feels like a pillow, while the lumbar one is foam. These cushions really suck. I tried positioning them in various ways, and they just really don't fit well. They are too big and just get in the way.

    If you want a high end chair, you will have to pay at least $500. The DX Racer Fastback is only $279. Other chairs I have used include the Herman Miller Aeron and the Steelcase Leap. The Fastback is noticeably inferior in both build quality and comfort, but it's definitely not bad.

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WHERE TO BUY back to top

    The best way to purchase a chair is locally so look at the list of local authorized retailers from the websites of the manufacturers.

    Take the time and opportunity to try out as many chairs as possible before committing to a purchase. Please do keep in mind that working hours on end in a chair is a much different experience than sitting on a chair for a few minutes on the show floor. For this reason, it is best that you purchase from a retailer that has a very good return and exchange policy.

    If you are not able to buy locally then your selection of chairs narrows. Some manufacturers do offer their chairs through their own online store and some authorized online retailers include:
      -
      ca Gabriel Ross
      us Smart Furniture << good
      us The Human Solution
      us Wayfair
      eu Think Furniture

    Do note that Smart Furniture, The Human Solution, and Wayfair all ship to ca Canada although you will be paying extra for shipping, brokerage fees, and duties. Smart Furniture and Wayfair includes all these fees in one price so you do not have to worry about being dinged at delivery.

    Keep an eye out for sales if you are interested in Herman Miller or Steelcase. They have semi-annual sales as well as holiday sales. Herman Miller typically has theirs right before Summer and Christmas while Steelcase does it in February and October along with some random sales maybe in March, July, November, and December. Some other manufacturers may also have semi-annual sales.

    If you are interested in buying used then check your local craigslists, liquidation centers, and buy/trade/sell forums. Please remember that the warranty will not be valid regardless if it is brand new or not. Also keep in mind that chairs do require maintenance which means you may have to replace the cylinder and/or upholstery.

WARRANTY OVERVIEW (not exhaustive) back to top
  • Single shift is defined as 40 hours per week
  • Multi-shift is defined as 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year
  • Valid for original purchaser
  • Valid for purchases from authorized resellers or manufacturers themselves
  • Normal wear and tear is not covered
  • Please be aware that warranty may vary from region to region
    Allsteel – Limited Lifetime Warranty ( http://goo.gl/wC9jA )
    • 12 years for seating controls, cylinders, casters, polymer-based components, and foam
    • 5 years for upholstery
    • #19, Access, Acuity, Clarity, Relate, Sum, Trooper asynchro and synchro models, Inspire, Scout, and Seek are warranted for multi-shift up to 300lb
    • All other chairs warranted for single-shift
    • #19 chair, including components and material, is warranted for as long as original purchaser owns chair
    • #19, Access, Acuity, Clarity, Relate, and Seek mesh/carriers are considered structural chair components and are warranted for as long as original purchaser owns chair
    • Expenses covered
    Haworth - 12 Year Multi-Shift Warranty ( http://goo.gl/Z2xat )
    • Up to 325 lbs
    • Expenses covered
    HÅG – 10 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/g2o3Y )
    • Applies to usage of up to 9 hours a day
    • 5 year 24/7 guarantee for H03, H04, H05, and H09 chairs
    • Lifetime guarantee on cylinders
    Herman Miller – 12 Year Multi-Shift Warranty ( http://goo.gl/BQrcJ )
    • Labour covered
    Humanscale – 15 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/NxAu9 )
    • 5 year single shift warranty for fabric, cushions, and arm pads
    Instertuhl – 3 Year Full, 5 Year Long Warranty ( http://goo.gl/QcC63 )
    • All expenses covered for three years
    • Limited to usage of 8 hours per day, 220 days per year
    Klöber – 5 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/EukxH )
    • Expenses covered
    • 24h chairs carry a two year guarantee
    Orangebox – 5 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/rsBGG )
      No information available.
    Raynor – Limited Lifetime Warranty ( http://goo.gl/PUVwK )
    • Limited to single shift and 250lb weight limit
    • Does not cover cost of shipping and labour
    RH – 10 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/Snhu7 )
    • No information available
    Okamura – 5 Year Warranty ( http://goo.gl/aVKDa )
    • No information available
    Steelcase – Limited Lifetime Warranty ( http://goo.gl/5YE4B )
    • Expenses covered
    • 12 years for mechanisms, cylinders, arm caps, foam, and casters
    Teknion – Limited Lifetime Warranty ( http://goo.gl/LQXpc )
    • Expenses covered
    • 10 year single shift warranty for mechanisms and cylinders unless otherwise stated
    • If usage exceeds a single shift, warranty duration is reduced in proportion to increased usage
    • Connexion is covered by a multi-shift warranty: 3 years for mechanism and cylinder, 2 years for moving parts, fabric, and foam






CHANGELOG back to top
    26 July 2013      - Added Best Office Chair Showndown Review by Workified
    21 July 2013      - Added Review of a Few Office Chairs by Notatypewriter
    17 July 2013      - Added DXRacer review by Chairman Ray @ Teamliquid
    16 July 2013      - Added us Wayfair to list of authorized online retailers and added a note for shipping to Canada
                            - Added a few sentences to Seat Dimensions portion of What Needs to be Considered
    15 July 2013      - Corrected Allsteel warranty information







Disclaimer: This thread acts as a resource in helping you find and purchase a good chair. I am not a medical expert, just an individual who have been sitting twelve hours a day for most of my years (work, school, transit, leisure) and everything said is just accumulated knowledge. Please do seek professional advice if you are experiencing back pain and always get a second, third, and forth opinion from different physicians. Furthermore, I do not guarantee this thread to be error-free. Please double check with the manufacturer and/or get the chance to try out the chairs in your own environment. I am not liable for any damages or bad purchases.

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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 11:07 GMT
#2
Reserved.
Celeritas
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia52 Posts
July 15 2013 12:41 GMT
#3
Thanks for quoting my review skyR, I appreciate it! This thread is amazing, there was obviously quite a lot of time and effort put into this. Once you buy a high quality chair, you never go back!
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 15 2013 12:54 GMT
#4
This is... Obnoxiously detailed. Thanks a ton Skyr, and hopefully you will be spared answering the same questions over and over now! Thanks a bunch for this!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Mackem
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 13:08:54
July 15 2013 12:59 GMT
#5
What a boss. Seriously, thanks for putting the time into this. Although I can't find a UK / EU site that allows me to configure the Steelcase Leap like the US site does?
Do you need a pole? I ask because your logical leaps are becoming logical vaults and your mental gymnastics are Olympic standard.
Draft
Profile Joined July 2011
United States26 Posts
July 15 2013 12:59 GMT
#6
I have spent hours looking at work/home chairs online. It's really awesome to compare them side by side like this. I really appreciate your time and effort in creating this. Thanks!

I also noticed you're purposefully leaving out the Dxracer chairs until they sponsor TL right?
"Fear no one, Respect all"
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
July 15 2013 12:59 GMT
#7
so much information 0_o

thanks.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
July 15 2013 13:49 GMT
#8
I love this thread! Thank you so much skyR!
DoubleAce
Profile Joined June 2009
United States108 Posts
July 15 2013 14:42 GMT
#9
For people who are watching the Jaedong stream, what chair is he using?
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
July 15 2013 16:08 GMT
#10
On July 15 2013 23:42 DoubleAce wrote:
For people who are watching the Jaedong stream, what chair is he using?


I am pretty sure he is using a DXRacer chair. They are pretty much ikea chairs with a little more cushion.
DoubleAce
Profile Joined June 2009
United States108 Posts
July 15 2013 18:39 GMT
#11
Found it, quite expensive but from jaedong's webcam view it looks pretty nice and comfty. Not looking so good in the full picture though

Racer Chair
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
July 15 2013 19:08 GMT
#12
ooo, pretty. I also have a simple Steelcase chair, and it's lovely.
Administrator
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 15 2013 19:23 GMT
#13
Thank you for this very useful thread!
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
qeMix
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany71 Posts
July 15 2013 19:23 GMT
#14
awesome!! been waiting for this thread.
good job skyR
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 20:40 GMT
#15
On July 15 2013 21:59 Mackem wrote:
Although I can't find a UK / EU site that allows me to configure the Steelcase Leap like the US site does?


Sorry, can't help you there but do let me know if you find one. Typically, you'll have a much easier time looking for chairs from the same continent than a different continent.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 07:00:18
July 16 2013 06:50 GMT
#16
Review: DX Racer Fastback

Introduction

For the past year or so, Need for Seat has been a very active sponsor for professional gamers such as Flo, and has also sponsored various tournaments as well. I'm sure most people here have seen or heard about these chairs and may be considering purchasing one. I have purchased the DX Racer Fastback recently, and I am writing this review because prior to esports, this company was unheard of and many of you are probably wondering if their chairs are any good. The answer is, not really. I am not a chair expert or enthusiast by any means, so take my advice as a typical customer review. This chair is obviously not featured in the OP simply because it's not a high end chair. It is not a chair you should get if you are willing to shell out for the best chair for your body type, but at $279, it is a chair worth considering if you are on a budget.

Pictures

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Adjustments

There are only three adjustments on this chair - backrest angle, seat height, and armrest height. It lacks the customization for seat depth and seat angle. For my height (5'11), the seat depth is perfect. When sitting properly, I can fit 3 fingers between my back of my legs and the front of the seat. The seat has a slight backwards angle of about 4 degrees. Although sitting back is very comfortable, leaning forward is a bit difficult.

Build Quality

As you can see from the picture, the chair has a steel frame. The legs are steel as well. This makes the chair very sturdy, but also quite heavy (55 pounds). The fabric is stitched nicely, but I have not used this chair long enough to see how long the stitching holds up. There are a few holes in the fabric where screwed go through, but these holes are not reinforced in any way, so tugging on the fabric may tear it on the screw. The plastic parts on the chair are low quality. It is not textured, and you can see visible imperfections in it, similar to cheap plastic toys. Some plastic pieces have one screw in the center to attach to the chair, so you can lift up the sides.

Fabric

As you can see from the picture, there are two types of fabric on this chair - the non-speckly one and the speckly one. I'm not a fabric person, I don't know what they are called, okay? The non-speckly one is a little big abrasive, so contact with bare skin is not very comfortable. The speckly one feels weird. The fabric itself is soft and smooth, but there are small plastic bits on there. When sitting normally, you don't actually feel any of it.

Backrest

This chair has a full backrest and is rigid. This means that you can rest your entire back and head on it, and when leaning back, the backrest stays in place. As you can see from the picture, the backrest has curves on the sides which bend forward. The upper curve serve as shoulder rests. You are able to lean to the side against them. When leaning back in the seat and putting your arms in the most relaxed position, the lower curves serve as an armrest for the upper arm. I find this very comfortable and definitely a very redeeming quality of this chair. The backrest is made of foam, probably this kind or something similar. The foam is fairly stiff. It is slightly softer than mesh chairs, but not nearly as soft as typical leather seats or cushioned seats. Overall, I find it quite comfortable, but maybe a little softer would be nice for me. The shape of the backrest is perfect flat and rectangular. There's no arch or concave.

Seat

The seat is also made of foam. The seat cushion is quite thick, so even though the foam is stiff, it still feels soft enough. The foam is perfectly flat. Some other chairs have slightly concaving seats, but not this one. With foam, it's probably better this way. The seat cushion is actually a separate part from the seat itself, as shown in the picture, but they are stitched together by these small copper rings on the underside of the seat, so I don't think you can take it off. This means that whatever goes between the seat cushion and the seat isn't coming out easily.

Movement

The chair rolls around and rotates very smoothly, so no problems here. The parts came nicely oiled. The rotation has a tiny bit more static friction than typical chairs, so it won't rotate when you don't want it to. Overall, the increase is so little that you won't notice it unless looking for it.

Cushions

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This chair comes with two cusions - one for your neck and one for your lumbar. The neck one feels like a pillow, while the lumbar one is foam. These cushions really suck. I tried positioning them in various ways, and they just really don't fit well. They are too big and just get in the way. I think this chair definitely needs a cushion for the neck or some sort of headrest, since leaning your head back puts it too far back, but the cushion it came with isn't the right shape or size. I'm considering ripping open the cushion and carving it into the right shape myself.

Overall Verdict

If you want a high end chair, you will have to pay at least $500. The DX Racer Fastback is only $279. Other chairs I have used include the Herman Miller Aeron and the Steelcase Leap. The Fastback is noticeably inferior in both build quality and comfort, but it's definitely not bad. When sitting on this chair for longer periods, I don't even notice it's there and there's absolutely no discomfort. Leaning back on this chair actually feels fairly nice. When buying a chair, it's important to know that you will be using it for many hours a day for the decade or so that the chair survives, so shelling out extra cash for a noticeable improvement is always worth it. I would definitely recommend getting a high end chair if your budget allows it, but for those who want a decent mid range chair and also to support esports, the DX Racer Fastback is a good option.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
July 16 2013 17:11 GMT
#17
Thanks for the DXRacer review
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 16 2013 20:19 GMT
#18
Thanks for the review, I will add it later.

Steelcase is having their 10% summer sale if anyone is interested in one, it ends on July 29th.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
July 16 2013 20:42 GMT
#19
Nice to see. And yeah I'm probably going to grab something from them now...

Does anyone have experience with something like the steel case Amia? What big differences are there between that and the leap? Is it just a little less flexible?
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
July 16 2013 20:52 GMT
#20
Fantastic detail, I'm sure this will come in handy whenever I need to upgrade.

Thanks!
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