EPTWhich bring us to the following question, is there now on the market a good mouse with similar design/ergonomics to go for?
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
Which bring us to the following question, is there now on the market a good mouse with similar design/ergonomics to go for? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Daewon
127 Posts
I had a g9x but ended up swapping it for a spawn due to the mouse making a high pitched noise. It turns out the spawn makes the same noise, Apparently all mice make that sound nowadays. The sensor on the spawn is so much less steady/reliable/solid, it's hard to explain but it feels like it's lagging compared to the g9x. I'm going down to the store today to swap it back to a new g9x, My local store still has plenty left. Look around on the internet, you might get lucky. | ||
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Jevity
United States67 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
If your mice are making a strange noise, either you have an incredible hearing capacity, or your pc's got some other problems xD | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
I had a g9x but ended up swapping it for a spawn due to the mouse making a high pitched noise. It turns out the spawn makes the same noise, Apparently all mice make that sound nowadays. ...Wha?The sensor on the spawn is so much less steady/reliable/solid, it's hard to explain but it feels like it's lagging compared to the g9x. Firmwares, man. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On June 14 2013 20:16 Daewon wrote: This is not indicative of a properly functioning product in the slightest (mice shoudl not be making any noise). You probably had a faulty transistor on the PCB and should have returned your product.Do NOT get the spawn! I had a g9x but ended up swapping it for a spawn due to the mouse making a high pitched noise. It turns out the spawn makes the same noise, Apparently all mice make that sound nowadays. The sensor on the spawn is so much less steady/reliable/solid, it's hard to explain but it feels like it's lagging compared to the g9x. I'm going down to the store today to swap it back to a new g9x, My local store still has plenty left. Look around on the internet, you might get lucky. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On June 14 2013 20:16 Daewon wrote: Do NOT get the spawn! I had a g9x but ended up swapping it for a spawn due to the mouse making a high pitched noise. It turns out the spawn makes the same noise, Apparently all mice make that sound nowadays. The sensor on the spawn is so much less steady/reliable/solid, it's hard to explain but it feels like it's lagging compared to the g9x. I'm going down to the store today to swap it back to a new g9x, My local store still has plenty left. Look around on the internet, you might get lucky. Yeah, that's not your mouse that's making that noise. I know exactly what sound you're talking about, a constant high pitched whine that only occurs when your PC is powered on. For me i only hear it when i listen very closely, and it gets louder the closer i get to my surge protector. Probably one of the devices in there that's making the noise. | ||
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Daewon
127 Posts
But it is kind of pointless to debate this stuff for two reasons. The sound is not very noticable, it's a high pitched sound and not all people have perfect hearing (in this case I certainly wish I didn't). Debating a sensor is hopeless, people have different expectations, preferences, etc. Personally I think the laser sensor in the g9x is the absolute best I've ever tried even with it's 10% built in acceleration. It doesn't have that ghostly, lagging feel of other optical mice. For OP I would strongly advice against the spawn for the reasons I already mentioned. Another reason not to get this mouse is the fact that it has 3 DPI presets: 800, 1800 and 3500. If you don't use one of these, too bad for you! It's not possible to adjust the DPI to a 4th setting. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Personally I think the laser sensor in the g9x is the absolute best I've ever tried even with it's 10% built in acceleration. It's not acceleration, it's inconsistency. It doesn't have that ghostly, lagging feel of other optical mice. I have no idea what you are talking about, literally never heard this mentioned before. Perhaps you left your spawn and other mice at 125hz or something? | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10342 Posts
On June 14 2013 20:55 Fragile51 wrote: Yeah, that's not your mouse that's making that noise. I know exactly what sound you're talking about, a constant high pitched whine that only occurs when your PC is powered on. For me i only hear it when i listen very closely, and it gets louder the closer i get to my surge protector. Probably one of the devices in there that's making the noise. Logitech mice are known to do this. See http://jdc.koitsu.org/logitech/ Had to ditch mine since it was too annoying to deal with on a daily basis. | ||
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Daewon
127 Posts
well my Spawn is doing the exact same thing. So it's not only Logitech mice that has the problem. @Cyro Like I already wrote, a sensor that you think is perfect might be horrible for others, it's a matter of preference. Heck some guys even prefer mouse acceleration turned on. | ||
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Crayfishy
Syria13 Posts
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
Like I already wrote, a sensor that you think is perfect might be horrible for others, it's a matter of preference. Heck some guys even prefer mouse acceleration turned on. Yeah but the laggy feeling your are describing is something very objective, it's not user dependent, and I swear my spawn cursor is not lagging more than my sensei's at all. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
@Cyro In some cases yes.Like I already wrote, a sensor that you think is perfect might be horrible for others, it's a matter of preference. Heck some guys even prefer mouse acceleration turned on. Indeed, but that's finely controlled mouse acceleration. The g9x doesn't have finely controlled acceleration - it has wild sensor-level inconsistencies that scale with tracking speed. On June 14 2013 21:26 Nimix wrote: Yeah but the laggy feeling your are describing is something very objective, it's not user dependent, and I swear my spawn cursor is not lagging more than my sensei's at all. And this | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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Daewon
127 Posts
The g9x doesn't have finely controlled acceleration - it has wild sensor-level inconsistencies that scale with tracking speed. lol yeah it's crazy how wild it is. You do realize the G9X (with no grip) is one of the most popular mice across korean SC2 progamers right? They must all be on crack. Yeah but the laggy feeling your are describing is something very objective, it's not user dependent, and I swear my spawn cursor is not lagging more than my sensei's at all. Lag is perhaps the wrong word. Ghostly, behind, slow, etc. I feel like repeating myself. A mouse that you perceive to have a perfect sensor might not feel right for everyone else. I'm simply comparing it to my G9X | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
lol yeah it's crazy how wild it is. You do realize the G9X (with no grip) is one of the most popular mice across korean SC2 progamers right? They must all be on crack. Indeed they are. It's a good thing that precision doesn't really matter for sc2 compared to many other things. Lag is perhaps the wrong word. Ghostly, behind, slow, etc. That's exactly what "lag" means. A mouse that you perceive to have a perfect sensor might not feel right for everyone else. Sure, but there are some things are are down to preference, and some things that are literally bad | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 14 2013 21:35 MisterFred wrote: You want a mouse shaped just right for a right-hander. Get one of the Mionix Naos mice. Preferably a 3200 if you can find it. They're shaped like the storm spawn/xornet. Only way better .They are ~30% longer, palm grip built and the 3200 and 8200 (maybe others too) have questionable sensors, i'm guessing you have one? ;p | ||
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Daewon
127 Posts
Indeed they are. It's a good thing that precision doesn't really matter for sc2 compared to many other things. From that statement I deduce the korean progamers are not the only ones on crack, which kind of makes it pointless to continue this discussion :-) Have a nice day sir. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On June 14 2013 22:47 DreamOen wrote: So, still no clue and thanks to the comments. But I dont see a clear option yet. And there are a lot of complaints on the coolermasters... If only logitech would get out something like G900 , its weird that they dont have something in the new generation to follow after g9x Do you use the g9x with or without the shell? If so, then I don't see a clear option either. Most mice are a lot bigger. I'm using zowie MiCO now because it has a perfect shape for me much like the g9x, but the sensor is pretty bad. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On June 14 2013 22:47 DreamOen wrote: So, still no clue and thanks to the comments. But I dont see a clear option yet. And there are a lot of complaints on the coolermasters... If only logitech would get out something like G900 , its weird that they dont have something in the new generation to follow after g9x I think I read somewhere about Logitech stopping gaming peripheral production. Oh, and for a replacement I'd probably go for a zowie mico. | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On June 14 2013 22:13 Daewon wrote: From that statement I deduce the korean progamers are not the only ones on crack, which kind of makes it pointless to continue this discussion :-) Have a nice day sir. Precision is much more important for FPS, than it is for RTS. Imagine a macro focused Zerg player who hardly does any micro and compare him to CS guy who tries to headshot across half the map. That’s why the G9x and its variable acceleration is terrible for SC 2, but even more terrible for FPS. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 14 2013 22:13 Daewon wrote: From that statement I deduce the korean progamers are not the only ones on crack, which kind of makes it pointless to continue this discussion :-) Have a nice day sir. Thanks, you too.. I hope you get help with your addiction  | ||
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iloveav
Poland1482 Posts
I did that on my G3 and still have 1 model left that works. After the logitech mini optical only the G3 was good enought for me, and since i noticed companies tend to do worse items as remakes and if you want same quality you have to pay more (its their way of dealing with inflation?), i tend to get some spares. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
Next time if you really like your mice get at least 3 of them. I did that on my G3 and still have 1 model left that works. After the logitech mini optical only the G3 was good enought for me, and since i noticed companies tend to do worse items as remakes and if you want same quality you have to pay more (its their way of dealing with inflation?), i tend to get some spares. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On June 15 2013 01:50 ddrddrddrddr wrote: I got like 5 G9X in a box at home and got about that much more in alienware g9x clones somewhere at my parents' house. I'm pretty sure I won't personally need to worry about running out of stock considering I've had 1 g9 (not x) break in the past 6 or so years. And whats the purpose of that post lol? | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
The sensei is bigger and longerthan the g9x, the clics are pretty stiff too. I took a comparative picture : g9x, sensei and spawn. The abyssus is about the lenght of the sensei, but the shape is a bit better for claw grip in my opinion, the clics are flat and rather soft instead of the curved shape and stiffness of the sensei's, and the sensor is better. | ||
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ZeeSC2
United States134 Posts
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On June 15 2013 02:04 Nimix wrote: OP you could give a try to the abyssus, I just tried one at a store and the shape is pretty good too, I'd probably go with that if I couldn't find a g9x or a spawn, plus it's pretty cheap. The sensor isn't bad either IIRC, you just have to put it on 1800 dpi and then choose your actual sensitivity via the slider in the drivers. The sensei is bigger and longerthan the g9x, the clics are pretty stiff too. I took a comparative picture : g9x, sensei and spawn. The abyssus is about the lenght of the sensei, but the shape is a bit better for claw grip in my opinion, the clics are flat and rather soft instead of the curved shape and stiffness of the sensei's, and the sensor is better. I found the spawn But some ppl say its bad lol. How is the feeling of the click and smoother in comparison? I cant test it before ordering it tho | ||
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
Tbh OP lacks a lot of info that we need (shell or no shell, type of games, etc..), and there's a reason why we have a centralized mouse thread, so you know what info to provide when answering questions. That way we can give better answers based on your preferences and needs. | ||
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
On June 15 2013 02:38 wo1fwood wrote: They stopped making it months ago, same with the spawn, though we do know for a fact that the Spawn will be re-released sometime in the near future. Dunno about the G900s (likely name if they did make it) due to the G100s filling that low profile, ambidextrous fingertip/claw mouse area now. That being said, ebay. Tbh OP lacks a lot of info that we need (shell or no shell, type of games, etc..), and there's a reason why we have a centralized mouse thread, so you know what info to provide when answering questions. That way we can give better answers based on your preferences and needs. The prefferences is the most like g9x with the little shell, and RTS Starcraft II 100%. And about what I care , the laser feeling the closest to the g9x | ||
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
G9X was my favorite mouse. Sadness. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
Also I bet you can find a g9x if you look hard enough. http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Programmable-Laser-Gaming-Precision/dp/B001NTFATI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1371242175&sr=8-2&keywords=g9x | ||
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Angry_Fetus
Canada444 Posts
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SheepSayMeh
Netherlands16 Posts
I had a g9x but ended up swapping it for a spawn due to the mouse making a high pitched noise. It turns out the spawn makes the same noise, Apparently all mice make that sound nowadays. I have this High pitched noise as well, and it is caused by the interference of cpu. When you move the mouse the cpu does work, creates interference in your sound output. Or at least that's the explanation I read that seemed viable. I do use headphones though, so if you don't use headphones and you still hear the noise, ignore this. | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On June 15 2013 06:07 Angry_Fetus wrote: Wait... I've been using the G9/x since the original came out. I never knew about the acceleration problems... maybe I've just gotten used to it. I've even used MarkC's mouse fix for a long time to remove OS side acceleration. Sorry to kind of piggyback on your thread, but anyone got a recommendation for a really good FPS alternative? Zowie FK, Zowie AM, Zowie EC1 / EC2, Razer Abyssus, Razer Deathadder, Logitech G400 / G400s. | ||
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trips
United Kingdom107 Posts
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Call-Duty-Laser-Mouse/dp/B005X784WG/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top | ||
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Fuchsteufelswild
Australia2028 Posts
On June 14 2013 21:35 MisterFred wrote: You want a mouse shaped just right for a right-hander. Get one of the Mionix Naos mice. Preferably a 3200 if you can find it. They're shaped like the storm spawn/xornet. Only way better .I have to say that not everyone feels like "right-handed" mice feel more comfortable than "ambidextrous" mice, so it's really a matter of personal preference rather than taste that you should recommend to others. That's not to saythe OP doesn't prefer right-handed style though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Get one of the Mionix Naos mice. Preferably a 3200 if you can find it. They're shaped like the storm spawn/xornet. Only way better Damn man you gotta differentiate between the two even if you like the 3200 The naos 3200 is a high sens full palm designed mouse with no kinds of remotely fast tracking speeds so it's not even suitable for med sens, unless they lied about the max tracking speed stat on their own website in a bad way, and i don't think they'd do that. The spawn is a small mouse designed for claw (and to some extent fingertip) without you going anywhere near the mouse with full palm, they are MUCH lower lengh, much lower weight, designed for a completely different grip style and sensitivity range | ||
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johnny123
521 Posts
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Mouse-Call-Duty/dp/B005S0KHIC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371903520&sr=8-1&keywords=g9x Cheap , and lots of them to buy | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On June 22 2013 21:20 johnny123 wrote: g9x is still in production, where does it state they have been stopped? http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Mouse-Call-Duty/dp/B005S0KHIC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371903520&sr=8-1&keywords=g9x Cheap , and lots of them to buy They are still available everywhere cause they just discontinued them a short time ago. If you go to the Logitech site, you will no longer see it in the product list of their mice. Plus there has been a post on the Logitech forums stating that it has indeed been discontinued. | ||
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decemberscalm
United States1353 Posts
CM Storm Spawn if you've got the most up to date firmware doesn't have any issues and will have an amazing sensor. My brother bought a sensei, I let him try the spawn as well and he ended up replacing his sensei with it. Next mouse I'm going to buy is a Zowie. I play a lot of FPS, NS2 requires tons of tracking, CS GO recquired great precision. | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
On June 23 2013 01:40 mechengineer123 wrote: I use a g9x without a grip, what would you people recommend as possible replacements when it eventually breaks down? same here | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On June 23 2013 01:40 mechengineer123 wrote: I use a g9x without a grip, what would you people recommend as possible replacements when it eventually breaks down? On June 23 2013 02:11 Rescawen wrote: same here Luckily bought 3 g9x's when they were like $30 each on amazon. Keeping the 2 in boxes still factory sealed for when my current g9x breaks down. After some right and left clicker replacements I think I'm going to have this 1st one for at least another 2 years. edit: I have tried the g100 for 2 weeks, couldn't get use to it....Hopefully in like 10 years when all 3 of my g9x's break down completely there will be a better mouse that fits my flavor profile; | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
G9x without a grip is so good. I also have the razer starcraft thing and it has replaced it in many ways.. How is the zowie mico for a replacement? | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On June 23 2013 05:20 Wintex wrote: Tried to get my mouse replaced after some shit happened to it (TvP and sensor issues) and couldnt get it replaced for a new one and they tried to give me the RazerNaga esque monstrosity so i cba'ed. G9x without a grip is so good. I also have the razer starcraft thing and it has replaced it in many ways.. How is the zowie mico for a replacement? Regarding the MiCO: basically same dimensions(same width, height, just a bit shorter), but the shape is quite different. The G9x is like this |_\ while the MiCO is more like this \_/ , so the grip will be tighter. You cant really discribe the difference, you will have to try it for yourself. | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
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Yodums
Canada25 Posts
On June 23 2013 01:40 mechengineer123 wrote: I use a g9x without a grip, what would you people recommend as possible replacements when it eventually breaks down? Your best bet is to purchase a G9x while they're still available on sites, such as Amazon or eBay, and keep those as backups. I've been using a G9x for almost 2 years now, and there's really no other mice like it on the market. I've since moved to a DA2013, though. Much superior sensor, but the grip is entirely different than a G9x. | ||
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tns
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On June 15 2013 04:35 vhapter wrote: Just when I think I've found the best rts mouse out there, it is discontinued. People on logitech must be retarded, because last time I checked it was the second most popular mouse among sc2 progamers... Yep, they are. Used my MX510 for so many years and I was happy with it. Eventually it fell apart and I wanted to get a new one(or an MX518), but both mice were discontinued and no longer available :< | ||
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Celeritas
Australia52 Posts
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bypLy
757 Posts
here too | ||
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Kambing
United States1176 Posts
Woot is selling pro kinzus for $15, so if you're looking to try something else on the cheap, this is a good time to buy something: http://tech.woot.com/plus/steelseries-kinzu-v2-pro-edition-optical-gaming-mouse | ||
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MasterDrone
France50 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On June 28 2013 06:01 MasterDrone wrote: I just bought a g9x and I don't like it... Removed the grips? | ||
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Yurie
12084 Posts
On June 27 2013 21:04 Lucumo wrote: Yep, they are. Used my MX510 for so many years and I was happy with it. Eventually it fell apart and I wanted to get a new one(or an MX518), but both mice were discontinued and no longer available :< Logitech keeps making similar mice to them. The G5 and then the G400 are both kind of similar. | ||
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On June 28 2013 07:05 Yurie wrote: Logitech keeps making similar mice to them. The G5 and then the G400 are both kind of similar. Yeah I got a G5 after years of loyal service by my mx510/mx518, basically the same shape so little adjusting necessary | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On June 28 2013 07:05 Yurie wrote: Logitech keeps making similar mice to them. The G5 and then the G400 are both kind of similar. I'm using the G400 right now and it's definitely worse. | ||
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TwilightRain
Germany351 Posts
On July 07 2013 17:58 Lucumo wrote: I'm using the G400 right now and it's definitely worse. Thats either pure placebo or you messed with the settings too much. The G400 is definitely a better mouse than MX510 in terms of sensor performance with a completely identical shape. | ||
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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
 I wonder what Korean pros will switch to when they can't get a new G9X anymore, like INnoVation, Jaedong, MC, MarineKing etc... P.S. Is it really possible that the G900 is on the horizon? :OOO /fingers crossed it's going to be extremely similar to the G9X. | ||
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SoniStreet
Macedonia98 Posts
On June 14 2013 23:27 gillon wrote: I think I read somewhere about Logitech stopping gaming peripheral production. Oh, and for a replacement I'd probably go for a zowie mico. I freaked out when I read your comment, thank god I remembered the actual article, it stated that they are stopping console gaming peripherals, not gaming in general. | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On July 07 2013 17:58 Lucumo wrote: I'm using the G400 right now and it's definitely worse. Wth, g400 has the best sensor on the market, no acceleration, no anglesnapping or anything, just pure accuracy. I went from mx518 (after 5 years of use) to G400 and it was a HUGE improvement as 518 sensor was pretty subpar. | ||
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MasterDrone
France50 Posts
Already I got used to it, but I still hate it | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On July 07 2013 19:39 TwilightRain wrote: Thats either pure placebo or you messed with the settings too much. The G400 is definitely a better mouse than MX510 in terms of sensor performance with a completely identical shape. I didn't mess with any settings. On July 08 2013 21:12 FinBenton wrote: Wth, g400 has the best sensor on the market, no acceleration, no anglesnapping or anything, just pure accuracy. I went from mx518 (after 5 years of use) to G400 and it was a HUGE improvement as 518 sensor was pretty subpar. The mouse(sceen) seems to jump at times for no reason whatsoever even though the sensor is clean, as is the surface. The scroll wheel is of bad quality. It apparently is to loose or can't click into the proper places properly, so it jumps up/down at times. The cable is rather thin but that doesn't bother me too much. And I had those issues after like 2 months of using the mouse. | ||
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