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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
May 19 2013 11:58 GMT
#1
Hi friends!

I've been kinda tempted for a while to build a small PC that both looks nicer in your living room, but also that I can bring onto a plane without disassembling it and still feel safe. But I have a couple of questions and hopefully you guys can help me with it.

1) I currently have a Radeon HD6970 that I want to keep. Is it even doable to put such a big graphics card into a mini ITX like that? What motherboaords would support it and will I have problems with overheating? General thoughts would be nice.

2) I'm kind of lost on motherboards due to what was said above. Basically I need something where there's as much space as possible for the size, so it doesn't overheat. Hopefully it doesn't cost a million either. I saw there was no LGA2011 sockets for the mini ITX motherboards, so I guess I'll go with something like an i7 3770k instead of an i7 3820k. I don't know if there's a big difference, but it's mainly for gaming and personal use.

3) Case. I've been looking at something like this: http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/silverstone-sugo-sg05-id-639971.aspx

4) Do I need to buy any special cooling and how much can fit into here? I'd like to do everything as cheap as possible.

5) Have any of you travelled on a plane with a shuttle before? What are your experiences with that and do you feel safe doing it vs. disassembling and buying a new case on spot and throw that case away afterwards?

What I already have and would want to re-use:
- RAM
- GPU (HD6970)
- PSU (No clue if this fits, lol)

New things:
- CPU (I've found i7 3770k for like 2k DKK which is around 360$ USD)
- Motherboard (something around 150-180$ USD would be great? cheaper if possible)
- Case (as cheap as possible but provide what I need and as small as possible for travel purposes -- needs to be carry on on a flight -- but don't want it to overheat).
- PSU if needed
- SSD HD
- More cooling?!

I think that's it? I hope you can help me!
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 19 2013 12:32 GMT
#2
On May 19 2013 20:58 Bumblebee wrote:
1) I currently have a Radeon HD6970 that I want to keep. Is it even doable to put such a big graphics card into a mini ITX like that? What motherboaords would support it and will I have problems with overheating? General thoughts would be nice.


The Silverstone case you linked further on in your post has space for a 9 inch graphics card (22.7 cm). Measure your card and see if it fits.

Any mITX motherboard with a PCI-E slot will be able to handle your 6970. The motherboards are not functionally different from their larger brothers, just the size that's different (which means less space for various slots and features typically).

As for cooling: Most high-end GPUs have fans that draw in air from the case and blow out the hot air through a rear exhaust. This cooling setup also works reasonably well with smaller cases, since the hot air isn't dumped back into the case. You do need to make sure that there is sufficient inflow of cool air, so a front-bottom intake fan is important.

2) I'm kind of lost on motherboards due to what was said above. Basically I need something where there's as much space as possible for the size, so it doesn't overheat. Hopefully it doesn't cost a million either. I saw there was no LGA2011 sockets for the mini ITX motherboards, so I guess I'll go with something like an i7 3770k instead of an i7 3820k. I don't know if there's a big difference, but it's mainly for gaming and personal use.

For gaming a 3770k is overkill, there's no need to go beyond a 3570k. I'm not sure what your 'personal use' entails, but it's unlikely to benefit much from a 3770k, as few tasks do.

Note that the k-series processors are for overclocking. In a mITX case, I'd probably skip on the OCing for heat reasons. So you can save on the processor by going for a non-k model (of course it'll lower your performance compared to an overclocked CPU, but that's obvious).

If you're not overclocking, any motherboard from the main brands will do really, just pick one with the features that you need, but there's no need to overspend,

3) Case. I've been looking at something like this: http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/silverstone-sugo-sg05-id-639971.aspx

Like I wrote earlier, it fits up to 9 inch of graphics card. Measure your card to see if that's enough. If you're looking for alternatives, I can recommend the Lian-li PC-Q08, which I use myself for my home-server/NAS. It can fit a graphics card up to 30 cm if you remove the lower HDD-rack (still has space for several disks then). It also comes with a relatively large front intake-fan and a (smaller) outtake on the top. Especially the front fan will help keep the system cool when using a high-end GPU. It is, however, a bit larger than the case you picked (but still rather small).


4) Do I need to buy any special cooling and how much can fit into here? I'd like to do everything as cheap as possible.

Case-fans, as mentioned before, are definitely good to have if they're not included with the case. Also get a 3rd party cooler for your processor. The stock cooler does a decent enough job at keeping the CPU reasonably cool, but if you're short on space and have another heat-producer like your graphics card, you may like the additional cooling performance (and reduced noise) from a better cooler. Do make sure that it fits in your case as some 3rd party coolers are huge.

5) Have any of you travelled on a plane with a shuttle before? What are your experiences with that and do you feel safe doing it vs. disassembling and buying a new case on spot and throw that case away afterwards?

Never traveled with a pc on a plane before, but it shouldn't be a problem as carry-on luggage. For added peace of mind, I'd remove the harddisk and pack it separately as it is the only component with mechanical parts and it's also the most annoying to lose (since it contains your data). Note that this doesn't apply if you use an SSD (no moving parts).


- PSU (No clue if this fits, lol)

Check the specs of your case, but it should be fine. The Lian-Li case I recommended takes a regular ATX-sized PSU without issues.


- CPU (I've found i7 3770k for like 2k DKK which is around 360$ USD)

Consider the i5 3570 (non-k). Should be obtainable for significantly less.

- Motherboard (something around 150-180$ USD would be great? cheaper if possible)

Sub-$100 motherboards should suffice if you're not overclocking and have no special requirements.
Such flammable little insects!
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
May 19 2013 12:39 GMT
#3
The BitFenix Prodigy will fit pretty much any lengty GPU and is a mini ITX case, it will also fit most non oversized PSU's, which one do you have?
If cooling is also a problem, you can get 175mm clearance heatsink for the cpu in the prodigy (like a Thermalright hr-02 macho) or even a closed loop (there is a 240mm rad spot on the top for that).

I don't know which mini ITX motherboard is the best though, Sky or Myrmidon or someone else would be better suited to answer that.

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Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 12:47:43
May 19 2013 12:42 GMT
#4
+ Show Spoiler [Rannasha's long reply] +
On May 19 2013 21:32 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 20:58 Bumblebee wrote:
1) I currently have a Radeon HD6970 that I want to keep. Is it even doable to put such a big graphics card into a mini ITX like that? What motherboaords would support it and will I have problems with overheating? General thoughts would be nice.


The Silverstone case you linked further on in your post has space for a 9 inch graphics card (22.7 cm). Measure your card and see if it fits.

Any mITX motherboard with a PCI-E slot will be able to handle your 6970. The motherboards are not functionally different from their larger brothers, just the size that's different (which means less space for various slots and features typically).

As for cooling: Most high-end GPUs have fans that draw in air from the case and blow out the hot air through a rear exhaust. This cooling setup also works reasonably well with smaller cases, since the hot air isn't dumped back into the case. You do need to make sure that there is sufficient inflow of cool air, so a front-bottom intake fan is important.

Show nested quote +
2) I'm kind of lost on motherboards due to what was said above. Basically I need something where there's as much space as possible for the size, so it doesn't overheat. Hopefully it doesn't cost a million either. I saw there was no LGA2011 sockets for the mini ITX motherboards, so I guess I'll go with something like an i7 3770k instead of an i7 3820k. I don't know if there's a big difference, but it's mainly for gaming and personal use.

For gaming a 3770k is overkill, there's no need to go beyond a 3570k. I'm not sure what your 'personal use' entails, but it's unlikely to benefit much from a 3770k, as few tasks do.

Note that the k-series processors are for overclocking. In a mITX case, I'd probably skip on the OCing for heat reasons. So you can save on the processor by going for a non-k model (of course it'll lower your performance compared to an overclocked CPU, but that's obvious).

If you're not overclocking, any motherboard from the main brands will do really, just pick one with the features that you need, but there's no need to overspend,

Show nested quote +
3) Case. I've been looking at something like this: http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/silverstone-sugo-sg05-id-639971.aspx

Like I wrote earlier, it fits up to 9 inch of graphics card. Measure your card to see if that's enough. If you're looking for alternatives, I can recommend the Lian-li PC-Q08, which I use myself for my home-server/NAS. It can fit a graphics card up to 30 cm if you remove the lower HDD-rack (still has space for several disks then). It also comes with a relatively large front intake-fan and a (smaller) outtake on the top. Especially the front fan will help keep the system cool when using a high-end GPU. It is, however, a bit larger than the case you picked (but still rather small).

Show nested quote +

4) Do I need to buy any special cooling and how much can fit into here? I'd like to do everything as cheap as possible.

Case-fans, as mentioned before, are definitely good to have if they're not included with the case. Also get a 3rd party cooler for your processor. The stock cooler does a decent enough job at keeping the CPU reasonably cool, but if you're short on space and have another heat-producer like your graphics card, you may like the additional cooling performance (and reduced noise) from a better cooler. Do make sure that it fits in your case as some 3rd party coolers are huge.

Show nested quote +
5) Have any of you travelled on a plane with a shuttle before? What are your experiences with that and do you feel safe doing it vs. disassembling and buying a new case on spot and throw that case away afterwards?

Never traveled with a pc on a plane before, but it shouldn't be a problem as carry-on luggage. For added peace of mind, I'd remove the harddisk and pack it separately as it is the only component with mechanical parts and it's also the most annoying to lose (since it contains your data). Note that this doesn't apply if you use an SSD (no moving parts).

Show nested quote +

- PSU (No clue if this fits, lol)

Check the specs of your case, but it should be fine. The Lian-Li case I recommended takes a regular ATX-sized PSU without issues.

Show nested quote +

- CPU (I've found i7 3770k for like 2k DKK which is around 360$ USD)

Consider the i5 3570 (non-k). Should be obtainable for significantly less.

Show nested quote +
- Motherboard (something around 150-180$ USD would be great? cheaper if possible)

Sub-$100 motherboards should suffice if you're not overclocking and have no special requirements.

Sir, you're amazing. Thank you.

Personal use basically just means I like to have a couple of streams open while playing which right now makes my game lag. I do this so I can watch my players while playing when they're just streaming regularly and so forth. I'd like to be able to stream as well -- preferably 1080p. Thoughts on the processors?

I'd be eternally grateful if you could put together what motherboard, etc. you'd recommend. Spending less money is always good, but I really want a good processor. Right now I have a first gen i7-860 from March 2010 or something.

I want an SSD, so does that mean it doesn't matter if I don't take it out when I'm moving it?

Edit: I don't plan on overclocking it. I don't even know how to do it, but if it's possible and won't fuck up my setup making it faster won't hurt obviously..

Edit 2: Special needs? I just need to be able to plug in my headset, my USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB webcam and USB microphone (that's 4x USB's) and if possible an iPhone on top of that. But if the webcam and iPhone will have to switch that is what it is. I have 2 monitors but that's on the GPU.

Edit 3: Talking about this one? http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/lian-li-pc-q08b-id-4196544.aspx
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
May 19 2013 12:44 GMT
#5
you don't really need to take "care" of SSD's as they're not mechanical as Rannasha noted, you could even player soccer with them and it would probably still work
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 13:14:38
May 19 2013 12:54 GMT
#6
This one is mATX and is just a tiny bit larger than that Lian Li ITX case: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=345

The mentioned Bitfenix Prodigy is too large, wastes space.

EDIT:
That's how the SG09 looks in practice: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Silverstone/Sugo_SG09/5.html
It's pretty ugly but it has a lot of ventilation and fits a large air cooler for the CPU. I bet Silverstone also has something designed similarly but in ITX size.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
May 19 2013 13:06 GMT
#7
On May 19 2013 21:42 Bumblebee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Rannasha's long reply] +
On May 19 2013 21:32 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 20:58 Bumblebee wrote:
1) I currently have a Radeon HD6970 that I want to keep. Is it even doable to put such a big graphics card into a mini ITX like that? What motherboaords would support it and will I have problems with overheating? General thoughts would be nice.


The Silverstone case you linked further on in your post has space for a 9 inch graphics card (22.7 cm). Measure your card and see if it fits.

Any mITX motherboard with a PCI-E slot will be able to handle your 6970. The motherboards are not functionally different from their larger brothers, just the size that's different (which means less space for various slots and features typically).

As for cooling: Most high-end GPUs have fans that draw in air from the case and blow out the hot air through a rear exhaust. This cooling setup also works reasonably well with smaller cases, since the hot air isn't dumped back into the case. You do need to make sure that there is sufficient inflow of cool air, so a front-bottom intake fan is important.

Show nested quote +
2) I'm kind of lost on motherboards due to what was said above. Basically I need something where there's as much space as possible for the size, so it doesn't overheat. Hopefully it doesn't cost a million either. I saw there was no LGA2011 sockets for the mini ITX motherboards, so I guess I'll go with something like an i7 3770k instead of an i7 3820k. I don't know if there's a big difference, but it's mainly for gaming and personal use.

For gaming a 3770k is overkill, there's no need to go beyond a 3570k. I'm not sure what your 'personal use' entails, but it's unlikely to benefit much from a 3770k, as few tasks do.

Note that the k-series processors are for overclocking. In a mITX case, I'd probably skip on the OCing for heat reasons. So you can save on the processor by going for a non-k model (of course it'll lower your performance compared to an overclocked CPU, but that's obvious).

If you're not overclocking, any motherboard from the main brands will do really, just pick one with the features that you need, but there's no need to overspend,

Show nested quote +
3) Case. I've been looking at something like this: http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/silverstone-sugo-sg05-id-639971.aspx

Like I wrote earlier, it fits up to 9 inch of graphics card. Measure your card to see if that's enough. If you're looking for alternatives, I can recommend the Lian-li PC-Q08, which I use myself for my home-server/NAS. It can fit a graphics card up to 30 cm if you remove the lower HDD-rack (still has space for several disks then). It also comes with a relatively large front intake-fan and a (smaller) outtake on the top. Especially the front fan will help keep the system cool when using a high-end GPU. It is, however, a bit larger than the case you picked (but still rather small).

Show nested quote +

4) Do I need to buy any special cooling and how much can fit into here? I'd like to do everything as cheap as possible.

Case-fans, as mentioned before, are definitely good to have if they're not included with the case. Also get a 3rd party cooler for your processor. The stock cooler does a decent enough job at keeping the CPU reasonably cool, but if you're short on space and have another heat-producer like your graphics card, you may like the additional cooling performance (and reduced noise) from a better cooler. Do make sure that it fits in your case as some 3rd party coolers are huge.

Show nested quote +
5) Have any of you travelled on a plane with a shuttle before? What are your experiences with that and do you feel safe doing it vs. disassembling and buying a new case on spot and throw that case away afterwards?

Never traveled with a pc on a plane before, but it shouldn't be a problem as carry-on luggage. For added peace of mind, I'd remove the harddisk and pack it separately as it is the only component with mechanical parts and it's also the most annoying to lose (since it contains your data). Note that this doesn't apply if you use an SSD (no moving parts).

Show nested quote +

- PSU (No clue if this fits, lol)

Check the specs of your case, but it should be fine. The Lian-Li case I recommended takes a regular ATX-sized PSU without issues.

Show nested quote +

- CPU (I've found i7 3770k for like 2k DKK which is around 360$ USD)

Consider the i5 3570 (non-k). Should be obtainable for significantly less.

Show nested quote +
- Motherboard (something around 150-180$ USD would be great? cheaper if possible)

Sub-$100 motherboards should suffice if you're not overclocking and have no special requirements.

Sir, you're amazing. Thank you.

Personal use basically just means I like to have a couple of streams open while playing which right now makes my game lag. I do this so I can watch my players while playing when they're just streaming regularly and so forth. I'd like to be able to stream as well -- preferably 1080p. Thoughts on the processors?

Playing while watching streams should be doable on any semi-decent processor. Frankly, I'm somewhat surprised that it makes your game lag with your current setup (check that your GPU is operating at its maximum clock speed while playing a game and watching a stream. There's a 'feature' that Radeon GPUs of one generation older have that makes them run at low speeds whenever a video is being played. I read that the 6000-series shouldn't have this issue, but check to be sure).

Streaming at 1080p is a completely different matter though. A smooth 1080p stream is a major challenge for even high-end processors. For that, I would recommend an overclocked 3570k or 3770k (streaming is one of the areas where an i7 has a purpose), but I don't know enough about the cooling performance of those small mITX cases to be able to say whether this is a good idea or not.

I'd be eternally grateful if you could put together what motherboard, etc. you'd recommend. Spending less money is always good, but I really want a good processor. Right now I have a first gen i7-860 from March 2010 or something.

Depends on if you're going to overclock. If yes, then a 3570k or 3770k coupled with a Z77 motherboard (for example ASRock Z77E-ITX).

If no, a cheaper motherboard will suffice (for example: ASRock B75M-ITX) and you can pair it with a i5 3570 or i7 3770 (non-k).

I want an SSD, so does that mean it doesn't matter if I don't take it out when I'm moving it?

An SSD doesn't have any moving parts, so it's not at an additional risk of damage compared to the other components.

Edit: I don't plan on overclocking it. I don't even know how to do it, but if it's possible and won't fuck up my setup making it faster won't hurt obviously..

OCing is rather easy these days and it's very hard to actually break things. For purposes such as streaming, a 30% OC translates into an almost 30% performance increase, so there's plenty of performance to be gained. The question is if a mITX case provides sufficient airflow to keep things reasonably cool. With a good cooler, a small overclock should definitely be doable though.

Edit 2: Special needs? I just need to be able to plug in my headset, my USB mouse, USB keyboard, USB webcam and USB microphone (that's 4x USB's) and if possible an iPhone on top of that. But if the webcam and iPhone will have to switch that is what it is. I have 2 monitors but that's on the GPU.

That's all rather standard. If you run out of USB ports, you can always get a USB hub.

Edit 3: Talking about this one? http://www.edbpriser.dk/kabinet/lian-li-pc-q08b-id-4196544.aspx

Yes. It's the only mITX case that I have personal experience with and I like it. But that doesn't mean it's the only viable candidate or even the best for your purposes (I picked it since it can house up to 6 HDDs).
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Korok
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 13:46:13
May 19 2013 13:38 GMT
#8
under the assumption that you're getting the SG-05 case:

CPU: i5 3570k
MOBO: any budget mini itx board, z77
CPU COOLER: 120mm closed loop liquid cooler, attach rad to 120mm intake (82mm cpu cooler height restraint on sg-05) (note: just use the stock cooler if you don't want to OC, and the i5-3570k is not worth it if you're not ocing)
GFX: any gfx card that will fit (silverstone website claims "Standard size long cards capable (10”)*, width restriction-5.11")
RAM: 8gb-16gb ddr3 ram, depends on your budget
STORAGE: ssd, wouldn't put a mechanical drive in a portable pc, if extra storage is needed (if being used as a living room pc, could be useful for big media files) i'd get a mech drive in an enclosure (esata or usb3 interface)
PSU: sg-05 is bundled with a 450w psu (and it's small form factor) if you buy the right one (http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-SG05BB-450-USB3-0-Mini-ITX-Computer-Certified/dp/B008J0ZQCU/ref=sr_1_9?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1368631753&sr=1-9&keywords=sg05)
OPTICAL DRIVE: there's a slim slot for your choice of optical drive

however, your 6970 won't fit in it so choosing a larger case would be better

in that case, you'll probably be able to put in your own PSU and not be restricted on cpu cooler
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