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Logitech G100s Evaluation

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Last Edited: 2013-05-01 21:40:28
April 24 2013 20:43 GMT
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Ergonomics and Build Quality      Sensor Performance      Drivers and Curtomization      Overall Thoughts      Photos


Introduction
I got my G100s early last week. Now that I've had some time with it, here are my thoughts.


Technical Specifications
Sensor: Avago AM010 N1301T, Optical
Main Switches: Omron D2FC-F-7N (20m)
Wheel Encoder and Center Button: Kaihua Electronics Co. Kailh MI1267 (3m cycles rated)
*Native CPI steps: 250, 500, 750, 1000, 1250, 1500, 1750, 2000, 2250, 2500
Weight : 82.5g (-13g without weight)
Polling Rate: 125Hz or 500Hz (500 default)
Dimensions: 117x63x37mm (lwh)
Mouse Feet: Teflon
* see Sensor Performance

Ergonomics and Build Quality
Before I talk about the G100s, it needs to be said that I am coming from a mouse that comparatively speaking with the more current offerings in 'gaming mice', is decidedly simplistic. The iktec brand of mice are a pretty niche market as they are, or more precisely were, a Korean manufacturer that is now defunct. They made cheap but functional devices and were used by many in the pro Brood War scene. Compared with mice today, they lack the carefully nuanced ergonomics, great operational or tactile feel, or even a sensor that performs optimally. Even with all of these things seemingly against it, I fell in love with this mouse ergonomically. The reverse tapered design of the overall body (thin to wide from back to front) and the non-tapered sides while simple, has seriously made me question the incredibly unique and developed look and feel of certain mice, and I wonder if these shell designs aren't more of a subtle design choice in branding, rather than for actual ergonomic considerations, but that's a slight tangent.

With that in mind I was tentatively excited to get my hands on a mouse with good performance and in what many gamers consider to be a 'proven' shape. It's been around ever since the MX series was introduced in the early 2000's, and as you probably know, people still fight on ebay to get authentic G1's even today. Why? Well after a week I kind of know why.

The size and shape of the mouse is good. It feels natural in my hands, and for my sort of hybrid fingertip/claw style (more fingertip) it is just about the perfect dimensions. I should mention that I have been missing the ergonomics of my 9500+ and find the front and inward tapered design (top-down and back-front) to be the only thing that I am not ecstatic about, but generally speaking this mouse is almost the perfect shape for me. In the time that I've used it my grip has slightly modified itself to cope with these slight differences (right ring finger migrated upwards a little to help with stability and control that I felt wasn't as solid). Only time will tell if it feels more natural in my hand, but I can say that generally speaking that there's a good reason why many gamers love this shape as it's felt pretty good so far.

The main switches are omron switches, while the wheel encoder and cpi button are manufactured by Kaihua Electronics. In terms of their difference the omrons and kailh feel somewhat similar in their operation, though I have a little more of a tactile responsiveness with the main switches that I lack somewhat from sw3+4. I should make two notes about the switches here. First, the middle button for the wheel has a different feel than the cpi button behind it, and does provide a feedback more akin to the omrons. The second is something that was my first of only really two important gripes with the mouse.

The right click had a distinctively soggy or unresponsiveness about it, and in checking this out I was able to deduce that the travel distance from neutral to actuation for the main switches was longer for the right than the left (the button would move, but not activate until a certain point). This ended up with an unevenness in how each button felt. In SC2 this resulted in missing move commands occasionally which was a bother. There are however, two solutions to this problem. The first is something that Skylit let us know about. Having purchased the G100, he swapped out the top plate of the shells of each and this solved this issue for him entirely. Additionally I added ~4 layers of painters tape onto the shell to close the travel distance (just enough to cover the contact point), and this solved my initial gripe with this mouse. Now whether this is a design flaw that will eventually be fixed (quietly) or has been already I don't know, but as for now it may be an issue for some, though easily correctable (you will have to void your warranty to fix this yourself).

I should also note that my main switches are a little squeaky from time to time (moreso the right sw), but I can live with this if it doesn't impact the operation of the mouse

The cord is a tad thinner than others that I've had and initially was kind of stiff, but after some use it's relaxed enough that I don't even notice it anymore (I do not use a bungie as I cannot due to my mousing style in fps games).

Finally, there's a 13g weight inside the shell that can be removed (also voids your warranty). I immediately did this and am glad I did so as I tend to like very light mice.


Sensor Performance
Something that I need to quickly mention about the native CPI steps in the specs is that this information comes directly from CPate who works for Logitech, so we can only take him at his word that they are in fact all native. Personally I'd rather see what the native steps are for myself, but again, as this is a custom architecture it is not likely that we will ever see the datasheet (it's not publicly available).

Anyway, to start off the LOD of the mouse is between 2.4-3.6mm, though this fluctuated based on the surface. My Qck was 1-2CDs, Hayate was 2-3, and my Propus 380 still tracked at 3CD's, though barely.

Tracking wise there is no angle snapping, but I did want to mention one odd behavior that I noticed from my tests in paint. In moving my cursor quickly you'll note that there is an odd angularity in some of the lines below that makes me think that something else is 'helping' with the tracking (perhaps necessary? or another unlisted feature? idk). In practice, partly because most of my twitch movements are horizontal lines or very shallow curves I haven't really noticed it, and without the datasheet or other information I'm kind of blind in this area, but it was somewhat unexpected. And no, my hand does not naturally do this naturally. I would generally say that this is a minor thing that hasn't really affected me, but I do need to make note of it.

+ Show Spoiler [odd mspaint behavior] +
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+ Show Spoiler [mspaint tracking tests, qck examples] +
All the following images were drawn at relatively low speeds, so some of the ripple is more pronounced than it would be in a real world scenario.

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I also noticed that there seemed to be a small amount of ripple or jitter in the mspaint tests. This happened at only at low speeds, and was additionally more pronounced at 500Hz than at 125. Between my three mousepads none seemed to really negate this behavior entirely, but it was slightly more pronounced on all of them beyond the 1750cpi range. Overall this is another relatively minor quip as once you past the 0.06m/s speed mark this behavior is far less noticeable and tracking is much smoother. Aside from these two things the tracking is for the most part predictable. I should touch on this 'for the most part' thing.

When it was announced, we were told the G100s could be expected to have an ips of about 120 or at around 3m/s. This made many of us excited as a good number of gamers have been waiting for a smaller form factor mouse that could perform reliably and at higher tracking speeds. In testing this out I found that surprisingly that enotus was recording a pretty similar range fluctuating just around the 2.7-2.9m/s range or 106-114ips. The most interesting part of this is that higher registers traditionally tend to drop off in their ips as you push the sensor to its maximum capabilities, but in this sensor it made very little difference whether the cpi step was 500, 1000, 1500 or 2000cpi. I should note that one consistent thing should be said in that the Propus 380 and Hayate tended to register just slightly higher ips than the qck at all ranges (though slightly more so at higher cpi steps). This seems to paint a relatively positive outlook for this mouse and its capabilities, but not satisfied with enotus being an authority (because it's a somewhat unreliable program) I had to test this out in an actual environment. This is where I ran into my other major quip about this mouse.

Being an low or ultra-low sensitivity gamer in fps games I need a mouse that can track reliably past the 3m/s range because I often will make sharp and very quick movements in these games (flick shots, fast rotational turns, etc...). Being that my rotation per 360° is close to 90cm (35in) I often need to get from point A to point B very quickly, but when I would do this instead I would arrive at point C, with a continual shortening and dropping of my view until I was looking at my feet if continued (see fig below).

+ Show Spoiler [tracking problem] +
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Generally this started to happen at the 2.6m/s range or around 102ips and would increasingly get worse the further you went beyond this range. This paints a rather different picture, in that what enotus shows us is not exactly indicative of what the user may actually experience during play. So while the mouse can technically track at around 118ips, the perfect control speed is more likely around 100ips (2.55m/s).

In comparing this performance with its previous counterparts this is an improvement over the G100, and at least in terms of the perfect control speeds, the MX300 and G1. However, both the G1 and MX300 are still able to track at a higher ips without completely malfunctioning than the 100s, so certain individuals may be more hesitant to make the switch if they are still holding onto their older models (though this group is admittedly a smaller and more niche sector than most).


Drivers/Customization
The new drivers are pretty easy to navigate and have some very interesting options about them. One thing to note is that the default CPI steps are 1000,1750, and 2500, and the default polling rate is 500Hz if you don't want to use the drivers. Inside tem, you can choose to have up to 5 different CPI levels (dammit Logitech, why do you still use dpi...), and even have the option to have separate values for the x and y axis of the sensor. Additionally there are some other rather interesting options available, such as assigning macros to buttons, assigning text blocks, shortcuts, ventrilo options, and a hilariously unnecessary but kind of neat scripting option where you can do some really cool things.

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Overall Thoughts
It has been far too long since Logitech returned to this form factor, and at least in a general sense they have done a pretty decent job with their international rebooting of the G100. So after looking at it and its operation, who would this mouse be good for? As I am both a FPS and RTS gamer, I feel that I should try to tackle this most pertinent question on peoples minds regarding each environment specifically.

The average RTS player will likely find this an appealing and overall solid option to them as long as you don't have the r_click issue that I (and others) had or are willing to void your warranty to fix this problem (again could be an initial batch problem that has already been fixed or is being fixed, but idk, only time will tell). In terms of the tracking items I spoke of, most RTS players will never encounter these issues because of how they control their mice so they are really non issues for this group of people.

For FPS players this mouse is somewhat more dependent on your style. If you are a mid sensitivity player, you might find that the mouse will perform well enough for you depending on your overall rotation/360°. I found that with around 750cpi and 1 sens (approx 55cm/360° with a 0.022 yaw, or ~22in) you would only really encounter the malfunctioning problems near to, or at your top speeds. High sens players will of course not have any issues, though for low to very-low sens players the relatively consistent wandering of the sensor past 100ips or so (in varying degrees of severity after this point) will likely be an annoyance that you may not be able to live with depending on how you control your mouse and what your distance/360° is. Again though, kind of a niche group of people so keep that in mind.

Photos
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Mouse comparisons with KTEC 9500+ and Azurues mini, documentation of internals, driver panels, and mspaint tests.
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lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
April 25 2013 01:05 GMT
#2
Great review. The original G100 was an absolute disaster so its good that they fixed most of the problems, mainly sensor related, with this fresh update. I absolutely adore this kind of ambidextrous design, where it's thinner at the back. Unfortunately I play at higher sens, around 1600dpi to 1800dpi so I can't find a decent mouse with that shape that performs well, that is, until this mouse came out Waiting it to be available locally next month!
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Sarsi
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway76 Posts
April 25 2013 11:12 GMT
#3
Figured I'd ask here before I destroy the mouse. What is the best way to open it safely, without damaging anything?
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 12:04:33
April 25 2013 11:55 GMT
#4
There's a single screw under the rear teflon that holds the shell together, and along with this, the very front (top part of the shell) has an notch that holds it in place, so you'll need to lift up and backwards to open it. Take a look at the photos, they should help.
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IceBergZ
Profile Joined September 2012
Malaysia176 Posts
April 25 2013 13:26 GMT
#5
Where you buy from ?
Im from Malaysia.
Malaysia local logitech dont bring this in.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 25 2013 14:16 GMT
#6
http://gaming.logitech.com/ though I preordered mine a few weeks ago. The mouse is brand new, so it only just started being sold and may take some time before its available in your region (we were originally told EU people would be waiting longer than AM for preorders).
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lol_Robot
Profile Joined November 2011
United States66 Posts
April 25 2013 14:52 GMT
#7
Thanks for the great and thorough review; I was just in a retailer the other day and saw the new G100S on shelves. It looks like an interesting step up from what I have now, although I may wait a few months to see if the right-click issue is fixed.
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Babru
Profile Joined September 2010
196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 20:14:32
April 25 2013 17:26 GMT
#8
Great review!

I planned on getting this mouse when i first read about it, its really ideal for RTS in my eyes. This very thorough review would be even more complete if you tested the mouse for negative and positive acceleration, but i think its safe to assume this mouse wont have any significant acceleration issues.

I want to ask you about the removable 13 grams, is it only there to provide some extra weight and has no other function? I find it strange that logitech didnt make it an easily removable weight (so that you dont have to void the warranty) given that they seem aware of the demand for lightweight mice. I know from my own experiences that you dont want a mouse to be too light, but i think that limit is somewhere around 65 grams and removing those 13 grams makes it weigh almost exactly the same as the ~70 g Razer Abyssus, a very popular low weight mouse. I will remove those 13 grams right away once i get my g100s.

So Skylit simply swapped the g100s shell with an old g100 shell and that fixed the right click issue for him?
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 19:14:36
April 25 2013 19:06 GMT
#9
Thanks for the review! I think we have very similar tastes in mice. I have tried many different models and never really found the "one".
Abyssus felt too narrow and the design was weird for me in that the sides seemed to flex over time and caused pinching of my fingers when clicking (the rmb pinching my ring finger in particular). Caused my hand to fatigue over long periods of use.
Tried the Logitech G9x next, but it was ridiculously heavy for my taste- also couldn't get the SetPoint software to work at all.
Currently using a Roccat Kova + which is the closest thing I could find to my preferences.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 25 2013 19:34 GMT
#10
Yea I immediately removed the weight as I am not a fan of heavy mice. I do find it kinda odd that there's an 'extra' feature that you can take advantage of only by voiding your warranty (the azurues mini had this too, but it was really unclear whether you'd void your warranty by removing them as it was announced feature there)... as to the ease of it, you have to understand that this mouse is purposefully very cheaply made, and adding an additional feature like a weight tray would have increased costs, and for what benefit exactly? I would caution people not to misconstrue cheap with bad here though, because this mouse is designed to be affordable to most everyone.

And yea, he swapped the top plate only (middle piece of the shell in the last photo in the gallery) not the entire shell, though that should work as well (it's the same shell design).
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 25 2013 19:49 GMT
#11
The weight could simply be tradition. I had the very first optical mouse with similar shape from Logitech. It already had that weight. At that time, I assume it was intended to make it have a similar feel as the ball mice it was replacing. Perhaps Logitech can't stop using that weight as people would start bitching about a lighter mouse feeling cheaper.
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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
April 25 2013 21:04 GMT
#12
Cool writeup, thanks.
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Bluejava
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden135 Posts
April 25 2013 21:53 GMT
#13
Ordered one already Logitech almost never dissapoints!
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mk.ultra
Profile Joined March 2012
United States54 Posts
May 01 2013 04:51 GMT
#14
I have and love the Logitech G100s. So glad I came back to fingertip mice instead of bulky palm grips.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 01 2013 08:28 GMT
#15
How does it compare to the G3 aside from the missing back/forward buttons?
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 01 2013 16:01 GMT
#16
Never owned a G1/MX300 series mouse until now. I do know the G3 uses the S6006 laser sensor from Avago and that is has a pcs of about 1.3m/s, or 51ips at the max cpi step (2000). So at least from a max ips and malfunction rate standpoint the G100s should perform better, though the feel will be different being optical vs laser (and I would venture a guess that the overall tracking might be more inconsistent on the G3 being an earlier avago laser, akin to the 95xx and 98xx sensors). Don't really know much else about it though (like shell build quality, what switches, though they're probably omrons for sw 1+2 if I were to guess) as its an older model.
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TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
May 01 2013 16:46 GMT
#17
Maybe a little bit off-topic, but: will you be making a similar review for the upcoming Ninox Aurora / Velocity mouse, wo1fwood?
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 01 2013 17:41 GMT
#18
On May 02 2013 01:46 TwilightRain wrote:
Maybe a little bit off-topic, but: will you be making a similar review for the upcoming Ninox Aurora / Velocity mouse, wo1fwood?
Yea, whenever it happens to get to that stage (which sounds like 1-2 months maybe if all goes smoothly?). I may actually do both the Aurora and Velocity if they are released at the same time (interested in the shell of the Velocity), but idk, we'll see once we know more about it actually getting released.
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IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
May 02 2013 10:37 GMT
#19
On April 26 2013 04:49 Ropid wrote:
The weight could simply be tradition. I had the very first optical mouse with similar shape from Logitech. It already had that weight. At that time, I assume it was intended to make it have a similar feel as the ball mice it was replacing. Perhaps Logitech can't stop using that weight as people would start bitching about a lighter mouse feeling cheaper.

You could be right. Tradition is hard to overcome …
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 02 2013 11:03 GMT
#20
Good review. Thanks.
Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
May 04 2013 17:05 GMT
#21
great review, sad that the new design tries to be super snazzy, but ends up failing.
:)
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 04 2013 18:35 GMT
#22
Great review; just wondering: I can't find this on any German online-shop yet.
EuSpex
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany73 Posts
May 04 2013 18:57 GMT
#23
this mouse looks really nice to me. Very simple and minimalistic but I'm one of the persons who needs two thumb buttons for sc2 ^.^ . So I will stay with my g500 ^^
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 06 2013 16:01 GMT
#24
On May 05 2013 03:57 EuSpex wrote:
this mouse looks really nice to me. Very simple and minimalistic but I'm one of the persons who needs two thumb buttons for sc2 ^.^ . So I will stay with my g500 ^^
need? I used to think I needed side buttons, and definitely would like 1-2, but shape and performance outweigh this consideration for me entirely. I really don't mind none for SC (what do you use yours for btw?), but FPS games is where 4+5th buttons would be actually useful. Also, somewhat unrelated but lol I just bought a WMO, couldn't help myself I guess.
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
May 06 2013 18:33 GMT
#25
Thanks for the review, I was thinking about picking one of these up.

I think you also reviewed a Roccat Pyra once, which is what I am using atm, what do you think of the G100s in comparison to the Pyra?
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llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 06 2013 18:36 GMT
#26
So in terms of RTS it actually isn't that much of a fail?
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 09 2013 14:51 GMT
#27
In terms of overall tracking precision, I like the 100s better. As for the rest, shape was one of the main reasons I moved away from the Pyra (mouse is just too small for me personally), but I also didn't like how easy it was for me to accidentally activate sw2 either because of my grip. I also think I prefer a centered sensor as well, so that may be part of what I wasn't enamored with regarding its tracking.

And no, I would say the 100s is a decent mouse in general. Not utterly phenomenal as the build is from other reports varying a bit across the user-base (some people have really squeaky wheels, I don't, some have no issues with travel distance of the main switches, I do). So It's fairly good, just not one that people will be ravenous about for years to come (the way people talk about the Deathadder or original G1 or WMO). Having owned more high end Logitech mice previously I wouldn't have minded shelling out a little more for something that felt a little more developed, but this honestly is a minor quip.

Take this for what you will though, I'm a rather discerning customer so what I think of as adequate might equate to 'OMFG THIS IS SO AWWESOME!!!" by someone else. It's a good mouse, but I'm not gushing over it as there are some shortcomings.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 15:46:16
May 09 2013 15:29 GMT
#28
I play Osu* + Show Spoiler +
and 2d games on 1920x1080 and would use the 500 or 750 dpi step, maybe some FPS in the future (i used to play low sens fps) but not my biggest focus, at least not right now

*That vid is not me, but i am quite good now and looking to improve. I can score ~95-96% at best on that map

Coming from deathadder 3.5g, love the sensor qualities but i find the shape of the mouse awkward and hard to control, particularly when chaotically changing direction at high speeds (like in that video..) I think it might be just too big+long for me, and the center of gravity seems pretty weird, there's too much weight at the front, a lot more weight on the left side and it's impossible to grip in some ways or harder in others due to the slippery plastic on every centimeter of the mouse that you would actually want to grip, so i'd like new experiences to see if there is anything better out there, Deathadder just doesn't seem designed for 630dpi.

I havn't used any other half decent mouse before (my other experiences were $5 mice, and a steelseries WoW mouse which has an awful sensor i can't even begin to use now, massive positive acceleration and malfunctions when i snap mouse from screen to screen, nevermind my gameplay speeds) so i don't really know what to expect, should i buy this mouse?

I was also looking at the CM Spawn Storm, but i think it had a few weird issues, need to look more into what they were

+ Show Spoiler +
edit: Another osu vid. This map is a killer for being able to grip and control mouse properly
All of the youtube vids of people with decent scores are using tablets + pen's for "mouse" tracking, because they can't do it otherwise =P



^This map also chokes me out, you can probably see why. I want to improve mouse grip and get a size/shape/weight that works for me, because it feels like it might be holding me back a lot at this point

Osu is more of a mouse practice thing for me than a focus, but it really helps massively, and exposes problems with mouse use very quickly. Maps like that last one i linked are just flat out impossible without great settings, grip, and near perfect control
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-09 21:32:07
May 09 2013 21:27 GMT
#29
On May 10 2013 00:29 Cyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

I play Osu* + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AojmUJ_T0Dw
and 2d games on 1920x1080 and would use the 500 or 750 dpi step, maybe some FPS in the future (i used to play low sens fps) but not my biggest focus, at least not right now

*That vid is not me, but i am quite good now and looking to improve. I can score ~95-96% at best on that map

Coming from deathadder 3.5g, love the sensor qualities but i find the shape of the mouse awkward and hard to control, particularly when chaotically changing direction at high speeds (like in that video..) I think it might be just too big+long for me, and the center of gravity seems pretty weird, there's too much weight at the front, a lot more weight on the left side and it's impossible to grip in some ways or harder in others due to the slippery plastic on every centimeter of the mouse that you would actually want to grip, so i'd like new experiences to see if there is anything better out there, Deathadder just doesn't seem designed for 630dpi.

I havn't used any other half decent mouse before (my other experiences were $5 mice, and a steelseries WoW mouse which has an awful sensor i can't even begin to use now, massive positive acceleration and malfunctions when i snap mouse from screen to screen, nevermind my gameplay speeds) so i don't really know what to expect, should i buy this mouse?

I was also looking at the CM Spawn Storm, but i think it had a few weird issues, need to look more into what they were

+ Show Spoiler +
edit: Another osu vid. This map is a killer for being able to grip and control mouse properly http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=bVjV85WTZl4#t=148s All of the youtube vids of people with decent scores are using tablets + pen's for "mouse" tracking, because they can't do it otherwise =P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbMHyr6gHck&feature=player_detailpage#t=78s

^This map also chokes me out, you can probably see why. I want to improve mouse grip and get a size/shape/weight that works for me, because it feels like it might be holding me back a lot at this point

Osu is more of a mouse practice thing for me than a focus, but it really helps massively, and exposes problems with mouse use very quickly. Maps like that last one i linked are just flat out impossible without great settings, grip, and near perfect control
I can understand, the Deathadder has a great setup but is in such a large shell that so many of us would have a hard time with it. Anyway, for FPS the amount of malfunctioning you experience will be dependent on how fast you swipe, so if you use 750 and 1 sens you might be ok (that setting is pretty much fine for %75 use at least, rough estimate). For 2d environments, the sensor will track just fine. I am on a 1920x1200 using 750cpi and I don't have any issues (apart from the mechanical ones I had).

You're probably going to have to just bite the bullet tho and start experimenting with different shapes and mice, and if so then I would say definitely give this a try if you have the cash to expend on it (or...wait for Aurora, but that's a gamble as who knows if bst will hit his Aug 1 mark or not). If money is tighter I might look at more options first but ultimately I can't really speak for you as shape is really preferential.

Oh, also go to OCN, CM just released a new firmware for the Spawn just yesterday.

Edit: grs, USA was the first market to get the new G-series, with Europe soon afterwards, so It'll probably be soon.

Double edit: also CM hinted they would have a WMO-like or AM/FK-like mouse in the works. Dunno how pressing this is for you. Also ttesports is working with Tastosis on peripherals so at some point we'll see what they've got there as well.
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grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 09 2013 21:32 GMT
#30
On May 10 2013 06:27 wo1fwood wrote:
...

Edit: grs, USA was the first market to get the new G-series, with Europe soon afterwards, so It'll probably be soon.

Thanks for the info! I am really looking for a new simple Logitech mouse.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51419 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 01:31:26
May 10 2013 01:30 GMT
#31
Currently using a $10 Logitech M90 at the moment, and I'm strongly considering picking one of these up, as it shares the same shape yet has a higher DPI and additional buttons. Shame I can't seem to find it anywhere except in America though.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
May 10 2013 03:34 GMT
#32
Thanks for the responses and pm guys
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
May 10 2013 21:05 GMT
#33
It seems like the CM Spawn Storm is discontinued in the UK, anybody know why or how i can get one?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
May 18 2013 00:06 GMT
#34
Picked up one of these - had the squeaking and soggy right click buttons.

Going to take it back.
Greenhit
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States200 Posts
May 19 2013 03:05 GMT
#35
Just picked one up for around 30$, very happy with it, I havent been playing much RTS due to having to use my older machine at the moment, but I love it and havent seemed to notice the right click issue the review spoke of, but im open to the prospect I just havent played enough to notice
"And where do you live Simon?" "In the weak and the wounded, Doc."
Bluejava
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden135 Posts
May 26 2013 17:46 GMT
#36
I got mine 2 weeks ago now and im very happy with it. Works really good for Starcraft. Had steelseries sensei before, prefare the shape of this one!
"I've learned one thing for sure: Life is random and chaotic. Trying to put things into a pattern will only temporarily solve the problem. Once you embrace the madness, it will stop feeling overwhelming."
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 29 2013 20:09 GMT
#37
Hi, quick question, how customizable is the extra button at the top? I've gotten so used to using one of the side buttons on my DA to return to desktop, it would be hard to part with that feature
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
June 03 2013 11:46 GMT
#38
In a word, very.
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 03 2013 13:48 GMT
#39
Alright, So I got it yesterday. It was a pretty big leap from a death adder, but I'm already used to it. Extremely happy with it overall
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
June 03 2013 13:58 GMT
#40
Does it feel a lot smaller/lighter?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 03 2013 19:27 GMT
#41
yeah, with the DA my palm would sometimes touch the back of the mouse, and I'd use more than just the fingertips to do small movements. It feels a lot better with this, feels like I move it a lot faster without sacrificing any precision at all.
and of course, it doesn't have that glossy kinda finish that the DA has, so it just feels better to the touch as well
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
JDI1
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
June 03 2013 23:00 GMT
#42
Thanks for the good read! I'm thinking of picking up a G400s for a comparison with the 2013 Deathadder too.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
June 03 2013 23:04 GMT
#43
it doesn't have that glossy kinda finish that the DA has


I still don't understand who decided that the vast majority of the places you would focus grip on a mouse should be covered in glossy plastic, thank god
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
January 07 2014 19:14 GMT
#44
I am sorry for digging this thread up but I need a little help. I bought this mouse recently and I have problem with sensitivity and a bugs. So, for whatever reason, my mouse cursor sometimes just "fly" to upper left part of screen and after "buggy second" it gets back to normal. Other problem is sensitivity, it works normally and suddenly slow sens down, like 5 times slower then before.

So I downloaded driver and my questions is :

1.Which DPI sensitivity level should I use? (it says I can type from 1 to 9)
2.Which sens leves should I use if default one's are 1000, 1750 and 2500.

Thanks in advance and sorry for bad english/noobiness about mices.
FennecTheFox
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada5 Posts
August 24 2014 11:06 GMT
#45
I was considering buying this mouse because It's similar in size and weight to what I currently use, but I've been reading a lot of people saying that the mouse buttons start to squeak and or register double clicks after a brief period of use.

Can anyone else here confirm if that's true for them?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 24 2014 16:36 GMT
#46
i had 2 of them and both had click issues after 1-2 months.


I dont use it anymore
WellCrap
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden122 Posts
August 25 2014 16:59 GMT
#47
I've had mine since april, no issues at all. I usually have terrible luck but this mouse works. I don't love it though, I wish it was slimmer and slightly longer.
G9x-MiCo
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3417 Posts
August 25 2014 18:21 GMT
#48
I've had mine for over 6 months now. It's a great mouse, no problems so far.
Nutrient
Profile Joined March 2014
Chile7 Posts
October 09 2014 17:45 GMT
#49
Hey everyone. A question: coming from a Zowie Mico (which is not functioning anymore after 7 months of use), how does this mouse responds/feels? I am a finger tip/ claw user. Thanks in advance!!
Slds!
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 09 2014 21:39 GMT
#50
the sensor is really good, but a lot of them were produced with faulty click switches that fail after 100k clicks or so, which is not a lot when u play games like dota or SC
ChrisGardner
Profile Joined January 2014
United States18 Posts
October 10 2014 03:36 GMT
#51
On October 10 2014 02:45 Nutrient wrote:
Hey everyone. A question: coming from a Zowie Mico (which is not functioning anymore after 7 months of use), how does this mouse responds/feels? I am a finger tip/ claw user. Thanks in advance!!

I've used both. they feel similar in size so I think if you like the mico then you will like the g100s. The main difference between them is that the g100s has a softer click and less resistance
christinebelle
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-16 08:20:49
April 10 2015 04:13 GMT
#52
-- nuked --
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 14:35:45
April 10 2015 14:34 GMT
#53
I got this mice and I very soon had to stop using it due to buttons and plastic feel.
The mice itself would be great if the buttons had no travel distance (the one they have is very bad).
This happens because the mice uses two things togheter that should not be used:
A) Buttons that are an extension of the body of the mice.
B) Long travel distance.

This means two things:

-The force required to initially move the plastic buttons will differ from the force required to actuate the key (think of it this way, you start pressing the button, and need to apply more and more force to keep moving the key down since you are fighting the increasing pressure of the plastic to go back to its original position, and finally, a small extra force to make the click at the end of the road) meaning that to increase the speed at which you press they key will require a higher force than optimal for the keypress.

-By increasing the force over optimal, your recoil (the finger recoil) will be significantly longer, making fast click a huge pain.

In theory, one could overcome this by constantly applying enough pressure to be on the brink of pressing the key itself, but that is ... well, insane.
My second gripe was the fact that the mice felt very, very delicate. From the cable to the mice body itself it feels like it can crack if you drop it form over 30 CM on the floor. It felt so weak to me that I was afraid to break it if i Pressed the buttons too hard.

Apart from those two flaws (and for me they are deal breakers) the mice has no more things I disliked, and in fact had many I did like. Those have been covered already in the original review, so I wont comment on them myself.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
April 10 2015 14:39 GMT
#54
On June 04 2013 08:04 Cyro wrote:
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it doesn't have that glossy kinda finish that the DA has


I still don't understand who decided that the vast majority of the places you would focus grip on a mouse should be covered in glossy plastic, thank god


Grip Is a bit subjective, but I think the best form of mice material is a plastic that is slightly rubberized (something a bit less than razer orochi for example).
However, grip for me is far less about the material itself as for the shape and weight. The thing I will never understand is who decided to make mice heavier and heavier. Some of them could be used as blunt weapons...

For claw grip, a heavy mice is like a car that to turn always has to drift.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
len0xx43
Profile Joined April 2016
1 Post
April 04 2016 16:38 GMT
#55
If some one still is interested of anything about this mouse, so u gonna know that after a bit more than a half of year this mouse got few bugs. So i bought this mouse seven month ago and now its just turning off sometimes and its really annoying when u r playing some online games like CS. And also one bug is that the left button is not reacting for some of clicks and thats a reeeally problem :c
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