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On January 17 2013 19:05 ROOTheognis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 18:40 gruff wrote:On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote:
If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but does not that solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. It started with someone saying it was his PSU because it wasn't enough to run his pc. You can't expect people to leave such claim alone when it's blatantly not true in this case and is directly related to his problem if it would be the case... It's not about personal preference or nitpicking. It also seems like people that don't understand psu's only stare themselves blind on the wattage number. His psu is better than a lot of crappy psu's that have higher wattage. That people constantly suggest "you should have a 600 W psu" when that's not what they should be focusing on is rather frustrating at times. And if he'd buy an 600 W psu and it would work they'd pat themselves on the back for being right for the wrong reasons. So help me out, what should I do then? Lol >_<
Don't worry about it. You're doing it. And you may or may not need a 600W power supply, but who knows. Maybe someday you'll want to get the cigarette lighter front plate coffee maker case mods. I dunno.
For people wondering why I (or others) are starting with the power supply as the potential source of the problem... You can, at a bare minimum, power up with a power supply, a motherboard, and a processor. You can power up without RAM. You can power up without a graphics card. You can power up without a hard drive. Sure, the system won't boot (and you may learn about POST beep codes) but it will turn on, fans will spin, lights will blink, etc. Given the complete lack of any of that, the first guess is the power supply. (Also the cheapest component.) Since it's not Belial88, I'm going to assume the CPU works and isn't a frankenstein of straightened or jerry-rigged pins jammed into a socket, and it's unlikely to just up and fail. Mother boards can fail, but in order to test that you'd need another power supply anyways.
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On January 18 2013 04:37 ROOTheognis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 01:44 50bani wrote:
Well, are you sure it is your PSU, theognis? At least try the famous "paperclip test" Yeah, one of my friends told me to do this last night. The fan didn't work so either I set the paperclip up wrong or the PSU is dead. Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 00:04 Alryk wrote:
Not all 600w psu's are bad, just unnecessary. If you're going to buy a new PSU, tell us what it was so that we can recommend a good one in case you bought a bad psu.
for what its worth though, rosewill capstone series is pretty much the best sub 75$ series you can grab, in case you end up needing to return. Ah, shit. I already ordered haha. Sorry, I just kind of need to get my computer up and running ASAP since it's kind of my livelihood atm ><. I got a Coolermaster. *Shrug* The reviews on Newegg were decent and I recognized the brand. If it craps out I will definitely look into a rosewill capstone. Thanks 
You probably should have taken it into the computer shop, to let them diagnose the problem, however from I can see the problem is probably the PSU and not the motherboard. I hope everything works out, let us know how it goes and if you need further help i'm sure you'll find it here :D
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On January 18 2013 03:44 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote:
If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power. This isn't an argument. You and MisterJef are simply wrong about the power supply not being adequate or borderline. It was actually you two who started to derail the thread with wrong information. Everyone else just feels the need to correct it because it is so blatantly wrong. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you aren't helping either. You just pushed your purchasing habits and irrelevant brand preferences onto the individual, which unfortunately ended up being successful and making them waste money, hopefully on a CX600 because that's the only 600w unit that isn't overpriced, old, or garbage. Suggesting someone to purchase a higher capacity power supply because their power supply randomly died is bad advice regardless of how you look at it. There are many power supplies rated at higher capacities that perform worse and/or deliver less power than lower rated units. In this case, the power supply not being adequate for the configuration isn't the problem. There's also a very good chance that the individual who listens to you is going to make poor purchases throughout their life. People have already mentioned that it might be a dead power supply. Rannasha explained how to test the power supply but it fell on deaf ears. There is nothing more to say until the OP actually tests the power supply or simply RMA it. The manufacturing and quality control of consumer electronics is not perfect so electronics can and will unexpectedly die. This was also briefly mentioned by felisconcolori but apparently it fell on deaf ears again. It's just a fact of life and there's nothing you can do about it.
Do you want me to quote my first post and point out where I actually said his PSU wasn't enough?
I said for me it's safer to have more then just enough, it's a personal opinion. Don't put words in my mouth because you believe other wise. I hardly derailed when someone else started throwing out links to prove a point. So spare me the freaken attitude. Bad advice? Don't even start, as if you believe I buy without thinking. Yet another assumption done through the net because you have an ego you want to fill. They are tons of good PSU that run just as they are rated than ones that don't. If you don't like to look around, and research that is your problem and not mine. It is always, ALWAYS better to be on the safe side, especially if you do not know the details. If you talk to people who hardly know computers and make a bad purchase based on the advice you give, it's on you. Instead of telling them to be a bit safer and go higher even if they do not need it. Not to mention having just enough gives you 0 room to upgrade eventually, which also forces you to go higher regardless.
I ain't gonna bother to continue talking to you because I don't have the energy or time to continue a pointless argument because you want to go into details that won't matter to the average person who aren't super anal about power consumption.
On Topic: OGN, if the PSU isn't the issue, I'd point to the Mobo. But hope that it is the PSU because that'll save you some money. 600w is way over kill though, 500w is enough on what you're running. Having roughly 430w, and go straight to 600w is way too much. 500w would have been about right, but it's done so hope that would solve your issue.
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You know, I don't actually want to get into an argument, but after linking an article showing OP's configuration pulling about 250W with an LGA2011 Sandy bridge and not a locked ivy bridge... I don't see how 430W isn't more than enough, because it is.
Also, I always find it amusing when people criticize skyr for "not wanting to look around and research"
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Well a 430w psu should be fine for this system when running everything at stock speeds.
I got a i5-750 @ 4Ghz and GTX560Ti. When running prime95 and Furmark burn test at the same time, my power meter says the system is drawing around 440w from the socket. This was with my old 550w psu that didnt have 80%+ efficiency stamp on it. So my system used maybe 350w?
But anyway, if the paperclip test didnt make the case fan spin. The psu is dead.
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On January 18 2013 12:09 Seraphic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 03:44 skyR wrote:On January 17 2013 18:35 Seraphic wrote:
If the new PSU doesn't work then something isn't functioning with your PC. I would move from the most important down, and hope for the best. Mobo would be my 2nd guess, it can only be 2 things that are preventing you from even turning your comp on. If both fails then I have no idea what is going on.
As for the "argument" his PSU is enough to run what he have but none of you are actually helping. his PSU is enough but that does not solve the issue that it might be a faulty PSU. I have said above I prefer to have more than what I need. Don't nick pick details because you believe other wise. So stop with the none sense and help this man and bring your convo some where else. Stop derailing the topic because of several wats of power. This isn't an argument. You and MisterJef are simply wrong about the power supply not being adequate or borderline. It was actually you two who started to derail the thread with wrong information. Everyone else just feels the need to correct it because it is so blatantly wrong. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you aren't helping either. You just pushed your purchasing habits and irrelevant brand preferences onto the individual, which unfortunately ended up being successful and making them waste money, hopefully on a CX600 because that's the only 600w unit that isn't overpriced, old, or garbage. Suggesting someone to purchase a higher capacity power supply because their power supply randomly died is bad advice regardless of how you look at it. There are many power supplies rated at higher capacities that perform worse and/or deliver less power than lower rated units. In this case, the power supply not being adequate for the configuration isn't the problem. There's also a very good chance that the individual who listens to you is going to make poor purchases throughout their life. People have already mentioned that it might be a dead power supply. Rannasha explained how to test the power supply but it fell on deaf ears. There is nothing more to say until the OP actually tests the power supply or simply RMA it. The manufacturing and quality control of consumer electronics is not perfect so electronics can and will unexpectedly die. This was also briefly mentioned by felisconcolori but apparently it fell on deaf ears again. It's just a fact of life and there's nothing you can do about it. Do you want me to quote my first post and point out where I actually said his PSU wasn't enough? I said for me it's safer to have more then just enough, it's a personal opinion. Don't put words in my mouth because you believe other wise. I hardly derailed when someone else started throwing out links to prove a point. So spare me the freaken attitude. Bad advice? Don't even start, as if you believe I buy without thinking. Yet another assumption done through the net because you have an ego you want to fill. They are tons of good PSU that run just as they are rated than ones that don't. If you don't like to look around, and research that is your problem and not mine. It is always, ALWAYS better to be on the safe side, especially if you do not know the details. If you talk to people who hardly know computers and make a bad purchase based on the advice you give, it's on you. Instead of telling them to be a bit safer and go higher even if they do not need it. Not to mention having just enough gives you 0 room to upgrade eventually, which also forces you to go higher regardless. I ain't gonna bother to continue talking to you because I don't have the energy or time to continue a pointless argument because you want to go into details that won't matter to the average person who aren't super anal about power consumption. On Topic: OGN, if the PSU isn't the issue, I'd point to the Mobo. But hope that it is the PSU because that'll save you some money. 600w is way over kill though, 500w is enough on what you're running. Having roughly 430w, and go straight to 600w is way too much. 500w would have been about right, but it's done so hope that would solve your issue.
On January 17 2013 09:18 Seraphic wrote:
To be honest, even if your PSU is enough, but it's on borderline, it isn't good for your computer. It is always safer to have more than what you need then just enough.
My suggestion is, since I'm also very picky when it comes to my computer is to find a higher PSU and plug it in and see. If that is truly your issue then you would know right away. If it isn't then it is something else in your computer that had died on you.
Personally when it comes to computer parts in general, if there is a ASUS version, I would aim for it. ASUS, Intel products are always safer. Half of my computer (half a year old now) are ASUS products. The only 2 things that stand out for me on your spec is your PSU and Motherboard. Although your Mobo could just me being picky about the brand so.
You said "but it's on borderline" that's false his system at most uses 250watts(this is running a full load on both gpu and cpu, this almost never happens when you are actually using your computer so most of the time it's idle or just running a game), "it's always safer to have more" this is not false but it causes power efficiency issues(shown in the video i linked)when you only use the bottom % of a power supply, efficiency of a power supply is always at it's best when you are at 50-80% load. Anyway that is enough of this argument, I just felt the need to correct bad advice/incorrect knowledge.
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